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Tinto Talks #41 - 11th of December 2024

Hello Everyone and Welcome to another Tinto Talk! This is the Happy Wednesday where we give you information about our very secret game with the codename Project Caesar.

This week we will talk about Parliaments. We have a simple feature with the same name in EU4, but this is rather different, as you will see. We have also gone heavily into making this flavorful as well, and many countries have their unique names for their Parliament, where it is a “Corts” in Aragon, and a “Riksdag” in Sweden…

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How is this parliament going?


Type of Parliaments
First of all, there are five types of parliaments, although technically you could argue that no parliament is a type as well. They are based on the different types of 'gatherings' that different societies had, which means that different countries will start with a different type of parliament and that you will be able to change it during the game.

Assembly
  • Available to all countries.
  • Nobles + Peasants can have agendas, but they have very weak impact.

Council
  • Requires Codified Laws Advance
  • Nobles + Clergy can have agendas, but have a weak impact.

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Can be useful…


Estate Parliament
  • Requires Feudalism Advance
  • Nobles, Clergy and Burghers can all have agendas

Autocratic Parliament
  • Requires an Age of Absolutism Advance.
  • Nobles, Clergy and Burghers can all have agendas
  • Crown Power is 25% stronger.
  • Can force through any issue they want in parliament for a small cost.

Constitutional Parliament
  • Requires an Age of Absolutism Advance.
  • Nobles, Clergy and Burghers can all have agendas, and their impact is much higher.
  • The Nobles Estate has an improved estate satisfaction.


If you wish to let your peasants have a say in your parliament you can grant them a privilege, but don’t say we didn’t warn you.


Calling a Parliament
If you are able to hold any type of parliament, you can call them as long as it's been at least five years since the last parliament was called. If you do not call one for a decade the estates will get less and less satisfied for each passing month.

When you call a parliament you get the choice of where the parliament should be held. You can always hold the parliament in your capital, which will give a small boost to centralization but you also have the option to pick another location. Usually you can pick any town or city, but there are countries that can hold a parliament in a rural location as well. If you pick a place that is not the capital, your country will become slightly more decentralized, but that location gains a nice bonus for the duration of the parliament, which lasts about half a year.

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A temporary mini-capital that prospers?


You also need to pick an issue that will be the main debate of the parliament as well. You have up to two options per estate to choose from, where the parliament support you gain depends on their current power in the country.

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The needs of the crown do not grant additional support..

Parliament Issues
The issue picked has a modifier that is applied to the country while the debate is ongoing. In many cases this is rather beneficial, but it only lasts for the duration of the parliament. We currently have over 70 different parliament issues, and about a dozen country specific ones.

If you fail to get enough support in parliament there will be a drawback which is usually a hit to stability, but if you get over 50% backing in parliament the country will get some benefits depending on the Issue.

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This is something that many estates may view as beneficial..

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In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. This was the first registration and was taken while Quirinius was governor of Syria. All went to their own towns to be registered.


Parliament Support
So what is Parliament Support then? You will always have a base support from your current crown power, which normally will be rather low (unless you have completely crippled your estates), and then you also have the potential support you get from picking an issue. There are also some government reforms and/or advances that increase the base support.

So how do you increase the support during a parliament then?

Parliament Agendas
Well, you can always see what agendas that the estates want to push during a parliament, and if you grant them what they want, your parliament support will increase. The amount that the Parliament Support increases is based on the estate power that they have, multiplied by their current satisfaction. This makes it beneficial to keep estates happier than the minimum levels, if you wish to rely upon them in parliament.

These agendas include law changes, changes in societal values, privileges granted and more. If you accept the agenda of an estate, then the next agenda they propose in this session will give far less parliament support.

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It’s for the greater good I assume?



Parliament Requests
You can also use the parliament support immediately during a session, and get a request fulfilled, but that will reduce your support by 50%.

Request Additional Taxes
This allows you to collect more taxes from the estates during the next 3 years

Ask for Larger Levies
This will make you able to raise 25% larger levies at any point during the next 3 years.

Ask for Law Changes
This will allow you to change laws at a much reduced cost of stability during the next 3 years.

Prepare for War
This will get you an insulted casus belli on a country of your choice within diplomatic range.

Of course, using any of these requires you to probably have to pick an issue backed by a powerful estate, and probably accept an agenda or two.


I would not recommend hovering closely to 50% if you really want an issue to succeed as there may be events that could reduce it happening.

Parliament Seats
We have two more things influencing parliaments that might be of interest as well. There are two special buildings that can be created that are counted as “Parliament Seats”, which gives extra significance to that location. One is an Urban Parliament Seat that the Burghers can ask for during a Parliament, which grants a significant permanent power to the Burghers in a town or city. The other one is the Rotten Borough, which the Nobles Estate will build in rural locations increasing their power if they are not currently happy.


Before we end though, we would like to hear of any flavor names you would like to see for parliaments, we have about 35 at the moment...

Stay tuned, as next week we will talk about disasters!
 
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Hell, if anything, the Census should give something like -2.5% to +2.5% pop growth. You don't really know how many people you have, after all!

I agree, but its kinda fun :)
 
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Looks really great!
Will be definitely much more fun.

For all possible Ukraine-related cultures and tags (Halych, Volhynia, Kyiv, Chernihiv, Novhorod-Siversky, Ruthenia, Cossack Hetmanate(?), Pereyaslav(?)) the parliament should be definitely called Rada.
This was the name of Zaporozhian Cossacks' gathering since the XV century, where they elected Hetman, Otaman and discussed various issues.
All types of Ukrainian parliaments has been called Rada since that time till now.


And just one question, please, are there any countries without parliament mechanic available or literally every tag can have some kind of parliament?
Rada is ahistorical for nearly all the tags you mentioned.

Ruthenian states had "duma", and as I can see even current Ukrainian sources use it.

E.g. https://web.archive.org/web/20071105014603/http://litopys.org.ua/krypgvol/krypgv13.htm - https://web.archive.org/web/20070930190032/http://litopys.org.ua/krypgvol/krypgv14.htm
or even here:
Хоча монарх мав право ухвалювати рішення одноосібно, він інколи скликав боярські ради — «думи», для розв'язання важливих політичних питань.
 
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Thanks for explaining, but then it's not the right metric then. As you say, the pop hasn't increased, just peoples' perception of it. That doesn't mean any more economic trade or manpower. I guess it might mean more tax, which this is the abstraction of?
Pops will be the cornerstone of the economic system of the game, more taxes, levies, migration flexibility, easier colonisation etc. :)
 
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Better yet, why not have all lists sortable by any attribute on the list. In this case it would be estate, alphabetical, size of effect.

they are.. and also have filters
 
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Slovenian parliament could be named Zbor, which means a larger group of people gathered in a place, usually for a specific purpose or a meeting of a large number of people, usually members of an organization, association, to discuss something, to agree on something.
 
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And Merry Christmas to you as well.

Will we have two weeks drought (25.11-1.1.), or will you sneak in some extra TT (maybe not on Wednesday)?

If I am able to, I aim to have special xmas and new years gifts to you. I don't want to promise, but I aim to do something.
 
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  1. Is it in danger of being a bit too easy to get a casus belli just by asking the parliament - what are the restrictions/mechanics around this? (Though it is 100x better than 'fabricate claim')

a) every 5 years
b) empowering your estates for it?
 
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Can agendas in parliament be also opened for other estates, like cossacks?

if you allow them to participate in parliament yes.
 
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How does the flavour name works. Is it just for parliament as such or do each of the different types have different names. I did a mashup of all the danish parliament types that fit the parliaments described.

Assembly
Landsting / Hovedting - theres basically 13 landsting which from the mid 1200s lost political power to danehof and the king. so its probably the closest. Although from around 1200 there were 3 main "hovedting" which had special powers in terms of legislation and king selection.

Council
Danehof - basically nobel council around 1250 - 1413 advised the king and did legal work aswell as highest court. We dont know much albeit we know it was often held in Nyborg on Fyn.

Estate parliament
Rigsrådet - takes over more and more from around 1320. in 1439 they depose the king and from Christian 1st "håndfæstning" they in 1448 get put in the fore as the kingdoms representation opposite the king. untill around 1660

Autocratic Parliament / Absolutism
Enevælde - from 1660 - 1849 codified in 1665

Consitutional Parliament
started out as a 2 chamber system which has later been changed to one chamber.
Landstinget - first chamber (existed in denmark from 1849 to 1953)
Folketinget - second chamber (from 1849 till now)

Edit: Rigsdagen was the overarching name of the two chamber system from 1849 to 1953.
 
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Time to add Országgyűlés for Hungary, and as the custom dictates, it must be heald in the middle of bumfuck nowhere, always

Any country having "Diet" as a general flavour name?

Can you build a permanent Parliament building, which forces the Parliament to always take place in the place where the building is built, but has some positive effect in exchange?

If Project Caesar allows the letter " ű " then this should be Országgyűlés, not Országgyülés.
I was just thinking, that while "Országgyűlés" is fine, perhaps it should be actually called Diet, as the institute with the same name is distingushied from its modern version with capitalisation as well. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diet_of_Hungary). Even Csokonai called his paper Diétai Magyar Múzsa.
 
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For Bulgaria it should be "Synklit" (синклит) which is the bulgarian form of the greek "Synklētos" (greek name for the byzantine senate).

The medieval bulgarian state was heavily influenced by Byzantium, especialy after the period of Byzantine rule over Bulgaria from 1018 to 1185 and this is why the bulgarians used many greek words in relation to government titles and offices.

Alternatively the name for the bulgarian parliament can be "Bolyarski Synklit" or "Bolyarski Savet" (savet or съвет is the bulgarian word for council, which is related to the russian word soviet). Putting the word Bolyar (bulgarian version of a Boyar) in the name might be a good idea since bolyars were the dominant political faction in all bulgarian medieval states.

You should not call it just "Savet" since that would seem awkward to a native bulgarian speaker as it does not necessarily indicate a government office and sounds more like the word for advice. This is why I support the official medieval term "Synklit", "Bolyarski Synklit" or "Bolyarski Savet" which would at least indicate that it is a ruling governmental body and not just some drunk guy giving you advice at a bar.

Please DO NOT call the bulgarian parliament the "Narodno Subranie" (Народно Събрание) since that is the modern term for the bulgarian parliament, which was not used prior to the formation of the modern bulgarian state in 1878.

Also "Sabor" in bulgarian means peasant or village gathering thus giving it an extremely low class vibe so I would not recommend that term and as far as I'm aware it was not used by any historical bulgarian state.
 
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For Bohemia, Moravia and other countries with Bohemian/Czech or Moravian cultures in general, it would be "Zemský sněm"

(https://cs.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Český_zemský_sněm)
 
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