Tinto Talks #45 - 8th of January 2025

[bokorthedust]

Can have Sandstorms

When I read this I thought for a second that Johan al-Gaib implemented sandworms, and we have singular spice because this is a Dune simulator,, then I realized what it actually says and felt sad.

 

[squid_whisperer]

"Blocks Vision from Adjacent Land" - This is super cool! I guess it means that if there is a forest, a nearby army will not be able to penetrate the fog of war into or beyond that forest? So you could get hit by surprise by an army in that forest?

 

[Johan]

With the amount of detail being put into Project Caesar I was wondering if there have been any stability/performance tests for multiplayer at this point, or has the game not yet reached a stage where a multiplayer test game could be done to check for performance issues?

multiplayer works fine for us

 

[Azgabeth]

I imagine the life expectancy penalty for the tropics is supposed to represent disease, but what about the ones for artic and arid, neither of them are exactly prime for large agricultural populations, but I don’t see why the characters living there should have shorter lifespans (I imagine the lifespans are a character specific thing)

I would assume it's to represent freezing to death, which was common for a lot of people.

As for the tropics, since PC has a disease mechanic, the reduced life expectancy might actually represent heat strokes.

 

[hunkus1]

Can Vegetation be changed by the player during a playthrough. Like can you clear forrests or woods?

 

[Johan]

Shouldn't the movement cost of troops be in red in this image, as the cost is increased?

you are corect

 

[Gianvitus]

Damn, I was hoping for a non-diceroll combat. A mix between Hoi4 and CK3

We already knew from combat Tinto talks that there would have been a dice combat

 

[Rinmun]

will I be able to cut the forests and dry the wetlands then? when does something become farmland etc.

 

[Lude_has_come]

I don't think that +50% movement cost should be green...

 

[Mef]

I don't think this is a good idea because it would really require them to basically take into account historical demographics when designing localities, which demands a complete revision of most China and India I believe...

I would have put locality size as a base multiplier too, so larger localities would also have higher base capacity... I believe meiou does it already.

I definitely hope that location pixel count, if not already used in the game, is something that you can use for modding. I don't think there would be a better base for population capacity (or arable land, which I want to change it to) than pixel count.

 

[tpapp157]

How do % modifiers stack? Additive or multiplicative?

 

[honkajoki]

Many terrain types affect frontage, with fixed numbers from -1 to -4. How large is max frontage in general? Does it grow with ages, tech or something else? If it's like 10 at start and 50 at end, is it realistic to have a fixed frontage modifier for terrain, or would a percentage modifier be better?

 

[Wildrake]

I think climate may need some additional handling because this is in no way Mild or Normal winter:

 

[Tantara]

That's the point?Basque county shouldn't have the same development as the Seville.

I agree with you, but I'm imagining this map 400 years into the game creating unrealistically sharp differences between locations that are literally next to each other.

In the map below, oceanic providing benefits while Arctic providing severe penalties will create really severe disparities, when in reality climate conditions are not so binary. In the real world, conditions are more mixed in these border regions.

What I'm wondering is if there's any sort of development "spread" (bonuses for lower dev provinces from neighboring higher dev ones) to make these borders less severe over time

 

[nmcj1996]

If you have a fort in a mountain will it still have a ZoC in the winter (when armies may not be able to move into the location to siege it)?

Separately, can I take the opportunity to ask if owners of fort locations will always have the defender bonus even if they’re moving to intercept an army already there?

 

[Old_Sealand]

So it's possible for Baltic Sea (and I guess also for Mediterranean Sea) to freeze during winter and thus it can turn from sea to land, where it's possible to walk over with armies? Or it depends on the climate itself, where it requires certain temperature?

 

[Dev2150]

What does lack of precipitation mean in the game?

 

[Sulphurologist]

Wetlands
Movement Cost for Armies +50%
Attacker Diceroll in Battle -1
Maximum Frontage in Battle -3
Road Build time +75%
RGO Build time +25%
Development Growth -30%
Food Production -10%

Wetlands are terrain that is partially flooded, generally due to being near a river, lake, or coast.

Talking about modifiers without having played the game is obviously difficult, but I do want to point out that wetlands also needs positives instead of only negatives!

• 95% of (riverine and coastal) wetlands are inherently very fertile, so need positive or neutral food production instead of negative, especially riverine floodplains (Nile delta, Tokyo, Rhine-Meuse part of the Netherlands,...) EDIT: they are also a beacon for wild animals/game, making them very productive hunting grounds.
• Wetlands are inherently limiting where people can live, so should decrease population capacity somewhat, such as -20%
  • (you cannot settle in the parts that are frequently flooded, not without the right technology)
  • perhaps poldering/drainage technologies can mitigate wetlands negatives on the habitation-side of things, some of the world's largest habitation centres are in wetlands!
• Wetlands (especially those with some degree of infrastructure) are easily flooded on purpose, making them very defendable in sieges.
• Perhaps 'flooding' events can be tied to riverine wetlands, also tied to development (building of dikes, etc)
  • low dev: high chance of flooding, but generally minor in damage
  • medium dev: medium chance of flooding, but increased odds of more damaging floods
  • high dev: low chance of flooding, but increased odds of severe flooding

 

[Sulphurologist]

Sparse
Road Build time -10%
Population Capacity +25k

Sparse represent large flat areas of land with few or no trees.

Grasslands
Food Production +10%
Population Capacity 50k

Grasslands represent terrain dominated by grass with little or no trees or shrubs.

• why does sparse get more advantageous road building in comparison to grasslands? Shouldn't grasslands also get this?

 

[matfer13]

So it's possible for Baltic Sea (and I guess also for Mediterranean Sea) to freeze during winter and thus it can turn from sea to land, where it's possible to walk over with armies? Or it depends on the climate itself, where it requires certain temperature?

I don't think that the mediterranean sea can freeze though