Tinto Talks #49 - 5th February 2025

[Johan]

That looks very nice, but how does colonisation works then? How have we colonise Brazil and Africa if every European will die and hospitals protect only from the plague?

The brazilian colonies were not really in top-malaria areas. and what part of africa was colonised in large amounts before 19th century by europeans.

 

[Johan]

small request:

can we have Malaria be endemic in places like marshes in Northern Italy or South of Rome, given how it was historically present there?

We talked about it, but its abstracted away.

 

[Johan]

How about you cure me by giving me an early early access?

Sadly won't help

 

[Johan]

can I intentionally spread diseases to my enemies?

move your armies, and do trade!

 

[SaintDaveUK]

A bit off topic, but is this how sake and other types of rice wine will be represented as well? (A production method for wine)

Yes there is a rice-based production method for wine

 

[Johan]

I have to say I'm still a bit skeptical about letting you skip the Black Plague. It seems like the world state would be very difficult to balance if you had to account for scenarios in which Europe either does or doesn't lose 60% of its pops.

We don't test for longterm balance on it.

 

[Johan]

Do you think that location average literacy could add some disease resistance? As lack of awareness could lead to diseases spreading while knowledge would let you know what to do and not to do when it comes to preventing or containing an outbreak.

All depends on what you read though.

 

[SaintDaveUK]

is it a raw good?

Yes it can be gathered from locations that have the beeswax raw good

 

[Pavía]

Is the Tsetse fly not present in the game, or is this dev diary just listing a couple of the diseases present in game? (Reposting my old comment from the Tinto map thread for West Africa.)

Post in thread 'Tinto Maps #14 - 9th of August 2024 - Western Africa'
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...ust-2024-western-africa.1698675/post-29819084

Another facet of the disease discussion is that the tsetse fly made it impossible for the southern African states situated in the jungles to field much cavalry, unlike the the Islamic states of the Sahel like Mali or Songhai. The Oyo Empire was one of the few southern states to use cavalry to may meaningful degree, and that was largely because it held lands in the north and trading with other northern powers.

“Even such things as cattle and horses then, and still in many areas, will die in West Africa thanks to the Tsetse fly. None of this even touches things like Sleeping Sickness, Malaria, and a whole host of other diseases we never contemplate in the West today. All of these were much more common in West Africa than in Europe. Approximately, from the first establishments of Europeans as trading agents (1500s) until imperialism and the full conquest of Africa (late-1800s), at least 33% of all Europeans who went to Africa died there within 2 years -- depending on how you frame the parameters and if you narrow to just West Africa, that number becomes 50%. With the diseases and a climate so different from what they knew and loved in Europe, West Africa was hardly a place any European wanted to settle in, let alone en masse.“

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1bnoo9j/why_the_europeans_didnt_settled_down_in_the_west

“The Oyo Empire was one of the only Yoruba states to adopt cavalry; it did so because most of its territory was in the northern savannah.[15]The origin of the cavalry is unclear; however, the Nupe, Borgu and Hausa in neighbouring territories also used cavalry and may have had the same historical source.[35] Oyo was able to purchase horses from the north and maintain them in metropolitan Oyo because of partial freedom from the tsetse fly.[36] Cavalry was the long arm of the Oyo Empire. Late 16th and 17th century expeditions were composed entirely of cavalry.[15] There were drawbacks to this. Oyo could not maintain its cavalry army in the south but could raid at will.[13][37] Despite its drawbacks, Oyo managed to amass one hundred thousand cavalry horsemen, earning the fear of many kingdoms and empires across West Africa.[38]“

Oyo Empire - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

You might have noticed that we only have one endemic disease so far (malaria), compared to several epidemic diseases. This needs a bit more work to make it fully functional, but we'd like to add a few more endemic diseases if possible, yes.

 

[SaintDaveUK]

it makes no sense

i had to say it

yes i'm French

The French method of rotting some old grapes is still the most profitable by far.

 

[Johan]

Does the Plague Resistance from the Hospital and Medical School only affect the Bubonic Plague? Or other diseases as well?

all diseases

 

[Johan]

What determines if an army becomes infested by disease and what are the immediate consequences if they are? Are the chances increased by certain actions, like moving through infected areas, prolonged sieges, moving through marshy terrain, etc. ? Can you weaponise a plague by taking your infected army and march it through enemy territory?

yes and yes.

the drawback is that your soldiders will die.

 

[Johan]

So Hospital only gives plague resistance? No resistance for measles, smallpox and others?

its all the same. should probably rename it to disease_resistance