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Tinto Talks #61 - 30th of April 2025

Hello, and welcome to another Tinto Talks, the happy Wednesdays where we talk about our entirely super-top-secret game with the codename Project Caesar.

This week, we will examine the mechanics of Protestant religions and the final situation involving all Western Christian confessions, the War of Religions.

First is first, we differentiate the 3 main Protestant religions: Lutheranism, Calvinism, and Anglicanism. All the different branches of Protestantism, more or less strictly covered under these wide denominations, are later represented through Church Aspects, a mechanism we’ll describe now. The underlying system here is for every player to be able to customize their own Protestant Church. As an example, the early Anglican Church funded by Henry VIII was very different from the Anglican Church that developed in times of James I, and the further division that then happened with the Puritans; we aim to portray dynamically these theological aspects with Church Aspects, therefore.

Let’s take a look at a Lutheran country first:

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I’m using the same save as last week’s TT. The Reformation was born in Perugia, and after a couple of years, it has already spread to some countries, of which Denmark is the biggest.

Here is the overview of Lutheranism and its religious panel:
Lutheranism tooltip.jpg

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Similarly to Catholicism, and other religions, it also uses Religious Influence as a currency:
Religious Influence.jpg

This currency is used to add or change Religious Aspects to your Church, and it also allows us to perform Religious Actions (of which we can’t currently perform any, as we don’t fulfill any of their triggers).

Let’s take a look now at the Religious Aspects, which define each Protestant Church:
Religious Aspect.jpg

There are plenty of Aspects, that can be either shared between the different Protestant religions, or be unique to them. This is the list of all the aspects available to Lutheran churches:
Religious Aspect2.jpg

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And this is what it looks like when you decide to pick one of them:
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The base number of Religious Aspects that define each Church is 3, although this is subject to review, as usual. And it is possible to have entirely different and unique aspects per religion, since it’s a scriptable/moddable feature. Furthermore, Religious Aspects can have an impact on the relations a country has with others who use Religious Aspects. Since the aspects are partially shared between the faiths, this could lead to unlikely friendships… and hostilities.

Let’s now move on to the next religion, Calvinism, which is quite similar in structure to Lutheranism. It also spawns during the Reformation situation, it also has Calvinist Preachers that spread it, and it also uses Religious Aspects and Actions:
Calvinist Preachers.png

Calvinism tooltip.jpg

Calvinist panel.jpg

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Fun fact, Calvin has ended up being the Bishop (=ruler) of Basel in our save game!

Finally, we have Anglicanism. This Protestant religion doesn’t trigger through the situation, but as an event for England that may trigger after the Reformation is active:
Act of Supremacy.jpg

Ignore the broken loc, it appears like that because I used a console command to trigger it.

If we decided to Take command of the Church, a new religion will be created:
Take command of the Church.jpg

Anglicanism2.jpg

This is its overview and panel; Anglicanism starts with some more Religious Actions available:
Anglicanism.jpg

Anglican Religious Actions.jpg

Last, but not least, we have a couple of religions that also share the religious aspects, but are not necessarily tied to the Reformation situation. This includes Lollardy and Hussitism, which will be created together with their corresponding reformer, and the earlier catholic heresies of Bogomilism, Catharism, Paulicianism, and Waldensian.

The last feature we’re going to take a look at today is another situation, the War of Religions. This is the ending to all the narratives related to the Catholic and Protestant Churches, a fight for the religious supremacy over Europe, centered over the Holy Roman Empire, with the Thirty Years' War as inspiration:
War of Religion1.jpg

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Two International Organizations will be created, the Protestant Union and the Catholic League:
Protestant Union.jpg

Catholic League.jpg

And this is the panel for the situation, which both sides, their relative strengths, the possibility to join one side or the other, etc.:
War of Religion4.jpg

An inconclusive result may lead to the negotiation of the Peace of Westphalia between the members of both Leagues and will alter the religious laws of the Holy Roman Empire.

… And that’s all for today! Next week, @Johan will come back once again to show more of the most recent changes and tweaks in the game. Cheers!
 
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1. War is initiated by the leaders of the league, at the earliest, some years after creation.
2. They can fabricate a CB and declare war with it, which enables the peace treaty options to forcefully resolve it.
3. Normal wars can still happen on the side.
4. No stages.
5. The desire for peace is calculated based on war length and exhaustion; it is essentially the country no longer willing to fight.
sooo exactly like eu4
 
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No specific expulsion of jews -> no Iberian jews fleeing to the Netherlands -> No invention of the stock exchange -> No modern finance. (trust)
Epic feudal W
Sounds kinda antisemitic ngl. It's giving off Hitler vibes.

Edit: glad the mods dealt with that nazi
 
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1. War is initiated by the leaders of the league, at the earliest, some years after creation.
2. They can fabricate a CB and declare war with it, which enables the peace treaty options to forcefully resolve it.
3. Normal wars can still happen on the side.
4. No stages.
5. The desire for peace is calculated based on war length and exhaustion; it is essentially the country no longer willing to fight.
Does this pan out to an actual 30 year war based on testing, and if not is that a major development goal?
 
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Can we explicitly accept or even invite suppressed religious minorities? (Like Prussia inviting the French and Austrian evangelical people to build up Berlin/Potsdam)
Or like the Ottomans inviting the sephardic jews to settle throughout their empire. :)
 
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Why were Lollardy, Hussitism,Bogomilism, Catharism, Paulicianism, and Waldensianism picked over say Anabaptism and Unitarianism?
No work is needed to represent people converting to them is probably the reason. Their populations are pre-defined before game start and stay static unless the player does something.
 
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golden age does not mean recovery of pre-event population count..... that 400 figure is way too much.
The Golden Age means the prosperity for people and businesses that, for whatever reason didnt or couldn't thrive before. Creating a period of modernisation and innovation
And how was there a golden age, a period of modernization and innovation in England or France after the Black Death? Where was the German golden age after 1648? There simply was no significant difference in modernization or innovation directly before and after the event.
 
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1. War is initiated by the leaders of the league, at the earliest, some years after creation.
2. They can fabricate a CB and declare war with it, which enables the peace treaty options to forcefully resolve it.
3. Normal wars can still happen on the side.
4. No stages.
5. The desire for peace is calculated based on war length and exhaustion; it is essentially the country no longer willing to fight.

Thanks. Still a bit confused as its difficult to picture without having seen it play. Is the situation scoped just to the one war? Or can several wars of religion take place during the situation so you can have it like historically happened with several wars and sode switching?

Is the peace desire like a global ticking thing for the situation then loke war exhaustion or is it just a modifier for the warscore?
 
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Martin Luther also allowed for polygyny
"I confess that I cannot forbid a person to marry several wives, for it does not contradict the Scripture. If a man wishes to marry more than one wife he should be asked whether he is satisfied in his conscience that he may do so in accordance with the Word of God. In such a case the civil authority has nothing to do in the matter". Martin Luther in a letter to Chancellor Gregory Bruck, January 13, 1524 (De Wette II, 459, pp. 329, 330)

Stop disliking my comment. I'm right.
 
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And how was there a golden age, a period of modernization and innovation in England or France after the Black Death? Where was the German golden age after 1648? There simply was no significant difference in modernization or innovation directly before and after the event.
What would you call the Renaissance and the Enlightenment? They didn't fall out of the blue by mere happenstance.. Let alone drastically transforming European societies and thoughts.
They needed a 'fertile' place to grow and mature, with people willing and wanting for change. If not for such events creating space, radical movments get snuffed out before anything gets done.
 
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What would you call the Renaissance and the Enlightenment? They didn't fall out of the blue by mere happenstance.. Let alone drastically transforming European societies and thoughts.
They needed a 'fertile' place to grow and mature, with people willing and wanting for change. If not for such events creating space, radical movments get snuffed out before anything gets done.
The Enlightenment? Yes, that happened exactly after those 400 years of recovery for France.
The Renaissance, or more correctly Humanism, which was the intellectual movement associated with the Renaissance, started in Italy before the Black Death even happened. It wasn't a reaction to the Black Death.
 
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We can expel any ethnic or religious minority we want? So inclusive!

Two questions:
1. is the speed it takes to expel people dependent on how tolerated they are? Is it faster to expel people of languages and religions very different from the primary one?
2. when you inevitably will add Anabaptists, perhaps you should consider also creating ethno-religious groups such as Amish and Mennonites, who, like Jews, are ethnoreligious groups, who require being religion converted before being culture coverted?
 
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Stop disliking my comment. I'm right.
To my knowledge he only allowed it for Henry VIII and Phillip of Hesse, and only after much arguing. It was very much a political decision.

Considering that there were Radical Reformers that supported polygamy, as well as a bare handful of Lutherans, it would make sense for that to be an aspect
 
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