At least tell us what happened on the no-kill nights. I guess I can figure out last night but what about night 1 and 7?
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My guess would be that they attacked the lovers. Maybe one was a lucky GA, but since the GA and doc never contacted the JL, I doubt it.
Well - one thing I'd love to know. Was I scanned, or was it a guess, Archmede? If it was a guess then I'm very impressed 
Oh, and Jester... you are a VERY lucky man to be still alive
EDIT: OY - Night 1, we just forgot the hunt order!
Oh, and Jester... you are a VERY lucky man to be still alive
EDIT: OY - Night 1, we just forgot the hunt order!
I was so close to victory, so close...
I am starting to get used to being a loser.
I am starting to get used to being a loser.
At one point (after Nautilu started missing votes) I was very tempted to contact a wolf and have them hunt Nautilu, so that at least I could get some scans in.
You should have done.
At the end I thought you must have been scanned and converted just before you got hunted. Though when you were first hunted I thought the SA trait must mean you were bad from the start. Then I couldn't find room for a starting sorc apprentice in the setup so thought it must be Sorcerer scanning you, GA protecting you, wolfs hunting all in a couple of consecutive days.
It gave me a great deal of amusement when an idea I had from when you were my Priest apprentice in the Star Wars game led first to everyone thinking you were the seer and then the wolves to hunt the Sorc apprentice. It was just intended to sow a little bit of confusion as to who was the Seer, because I thought it would too obviously be me without some sort of smokescreen.
Then shortly after that you voted for VLN, who I had scanned and told some people was a wolf but didn't want outed yet. I thought you had had the information from one of them and you had decided to sacrifice him straight away and were a baddie trying to get public credibility as the JL spokesman. This was why I went public with johho going for the first double wolf lynch and saying you definitely were not JL. This merely confirmed in people's minds that you were the Seer and the wolves came hunting and the GA came protecting but only once and then the other pack got you. It was quite the funniest moment of the game for me when I saw that you were hunted and bad and all from the fallout from a ploy that you had given me the idea for. :rofl:
@The Arch Mede: marty99 claimed he hunted Slinky to check if Nautilu was legit. If this really is true then your smokescreen had nothing to do with it. I'll see if I can dig out the PM.
The GA didn't stop any hunts. He was supposed to get a PM confirming if he succeeded and he never got one.
The GA was in contact with the JL for a long while. All my whining about protectors and "bloody GAs" was to get the doc to make contact and possibly catch an infiltrating sorcerer or cultist.
EDIT: You had me fooled about the seer though.
and finally here it is:
The lovers were never attacked. We were supposed to get a PM confirming if we were and we never got one.
The GA didn't stop any hunts. He was supposed to get a PM confirming if he succeeded and he never got one.
The GA was in contact with the JL for a long while. All my whining about protectors and "bloody GAs" was to get the doc to make contact and possibly catch an infiltrating sorcerer or cultist.
EDIT: You had me fooled about the seer though.
johho888 to The Arch Mede said:
Last part referring to me being surprised at WD the seer (in my book) contacting the confused JL spokesperson asking to have a message forwarded to the seer(!).johho888 to White Daimon said:
and finally here it is:
marty99 said:
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Glad to see I can inspire people.
Though if I would have gotten online in time I would have contacted both outed wolves and perhaps I would not have been hunted. It would also have been weird behaviour of the seer to vote someone and then have him outed. I am curious as to the wolves thinking on that one.
Anyway I was isolated this whole game and I am not happy with my own performance, though it did feel like I was hamstrung by the nonresponsive sorcerer. At first I thought he was suspicious of me, but when he ignored all my PM's I wanted to strike out on my own, but it was already to late. At least I learned from my mistakes this game and hopefully next one will go better
Well - one thing I'd love to know. Was I scanned, or was it a guess, Archmede? If it was a guess then I'm very impressed
Oh, and Jester... you are a VERY lucky man to be still alive
EDIT: OY - Night 1, we just forgot the hunt order!
You were not scanned, but there were not many unscanned at that point. Lord D was scanned and a known wolf then, but I wanted to get a wolf from the other pack, and you were the best choice. Your competitor for the 16 ton weight was sbr but johho could probably have talked me out of it. It could have been close though. At that point I had decided johho was probably bad, since I sensed he was up to something else (he was actually covering his bases so that the other lover had the best chance if one died and the other was turned). I thought he might have enough of the JL to be able to organise a bandwagon on me, so my plan was to pick the most likely wolf, and order johho to bandwagon them. If he then disobeyed and organised a counter bandwagon on me, I had a leader lynch order in to save me and lynch him that night.
It actually helped that plan that you were unscanned. It made it easier for someone to try and come out that I was evil and you couldn't possibly have done what I said.
I was pretty sure from the vote analysis that you were a Ni wolf though.
Did the lovers know each other from the beginning? The rules don't say they did.
As for the GA...
The Rules said:
...they say nothing about the GA getting a PM for a successful protection. Is that something the GM is doing different this game?
That's indeed the right thing to do when trying to confirm the sorcerer, hunt his apprentice :wacko: I am completely stumped on the thought processes behind that one. Then hunt me again when the baddies are dropping like flies. In my humble opinion an SA sorcerer's apprentice could have better served some other purpose than a wolves meal.
marty99 could have just contacted me, especially since he was already going to be killed. I could have told him my role and he could have confirmed Nautilu that way. At least he could confirm I was in touch with Nautilu (well sort of
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Yes sbr and I knew eachother from the start. What kind of lovers do you take us for? The kind that meet briefly at public restrooms?
The seer (and later me too because I didn't believe him) asked the GM and this GM said he'd tell lovers if they lost their blessing and he'd tell a GA that succeeded in blocking a hunt.
Yes, this is different from GM to GM. It is unusual but I have seen it done before.
I was so close to victory, so close...
I am starting to get used to being a loser.
You were actually too obviously good I think. When I needed a JL spokesman I picked johho rather than you because I wasn't quite as sure of johho as of you. I thought he was more likely to be an infiltrator and thus less of a loss if the pack he wasn't with hunted him
The wolves hunted you at that point because you looked too much like the seer to them. The villagers that actually survived were the ones I was least sure were good, and likely for the same sort of reasons the wolfs didn't hunt them.
On the other hand it was very useful to me to have that trusted contact after Dublish was hunted. If you had looked less good, I might have ended up giving myself away to a baddie earlier and the wolves would have had a chance. You and split were not among the winners, but you both contributed heavily to making it a goodie win.
True or not it still gave me a great deal of amusement at the time. It doesn't really matter if it was a cock-up rather than a conspiracy, I just enjoyed imagining it might have been.
That's indeed the right thing to do when trying to confirm the sorcerer, hunt his apprentice :wacko: I am completely stumped on the thought processes behind that one. Then hunt me again when the baddies are dropping like flies. In my humble opinion an SA sorcerer's apprentice could have better served some other purpose than a wolves meal.
marty99 could have just contacted me, especially since he was already going to be killed. I could have told him my role and he could have confirmed Nautilu that way. At least he could confirm I was in touch with Nautilu (well sort of
Perhaps Nautilu had an inkling that you were thinking of getting a wolf to hunt him and merely took preemptive action while trying to get credibility with a pack out of it.
I'd like to know why I was hunted. I'd have much preferred that the wolves just surrender before they hunted me, seeing as how they managed only 2 successful hunts after that...
GM AAR
Unfortunately, i accidentally lost most of the Scan orders, so those are not present until the later nights.
Night 0- This was VLN's packs's night, but as no hunt order was sent, no one died.
Orange Yoshi scanned Joeb.
Day 1 and Night 1- Usual first day madness ensues, and Joebthegreat is lynched. EUROO7's pack gets lucky and hunts OrangeYoshi, the priest.
Day 2 and Night 2- Normal early random voting. VLN's pack ends up killing the_hdk, the first of two hunters.
Day 3 and Night 3- EUROO7 is lynched (He lasted longer than i thought he would) and walrus the leader is hunted by EUROO7's old pack. Hebelecan now becomes the leader, and The Arch Mede is now 2nd in command.
Day 4 and Night 4- THE_SPLIT claims to be a baddie, and several baddies fall for his trick, while snoopdogg, the second hunter, is hunted by VLN's pack. Right now, i realize that the wolves are going to be severely weakened as several people fell for THE_SPLIT's trick.
This is also about the time that OY is subbed back in, which i realize now was a major mistake as it showed that their is not another priest. There should be a formal rule made about subbing in former scanners or people capable of having an apprentice, not matter whether or not they had one or if they have scanned anyone.
Day 5 and Night 5 This is when things start to really go downhill for the baddies. Jopi and LS were victims of THE_SPLIT's trick, and OY got really unlucky when EUROO7's old pack decide to hunt him.
Day 6 and Night 6- Marty99 realizes he is going to die, so he brutalizes J. Pass. Dublish is hunted by VLN's pack.
Day 7 and Night 7- The village gets lucky again and gets VLN and Raczynski. The GA jester180 protects EUROO7's old pack's target (who i beleive was slinky, once again, i lost most of the PM's). The Seer Scans Nautilu the sorc, but he appears to be a villager to him.
Day 8 and Night 8- Hebelecan doesn't want to die, and selects to leaderlynch Hax. VLN's old pack gets unlucky and kills Slinky, the Sorc's Apprentice.
Day 9 and Night 9- Muttoneer ends up getting lynched. The seer gets really lucky here. Muttoneer thinks that it is his (VLN's) pack's night to hunt. He suggest The Arch Mede. However, it is really EUROO7's old pack's night, and Lord_D decides on Kriszo.
The seer scans SBR, but he appears to be a common Knight
Walrus subs for Nautilu
The GA has an order to protect Johho888
Day 10 and Night 10- Lord_D and Jerard are killed. This should have ended the game right then and their, but i misread that hebelecan was on the Werewolf list on my personal Player list.
The seer would have scanned Hebelecan, and he would have leaderlynched Lord_D if Lord_D was not the vote winner.
Jester180 would have origionally protected Johho888, but then changed it to The Arch Mede.
Jerard would have hunted sbr, but Jerard didn't survive to the night.
Conclusions and Mistakes
1. NEVER sub in former scanners.
2. Make sure you properly save copies of PM's. Without the copies of the PM's, GM AAR's are devoid of much information.
3. I made a mistake with muttoneer. He had a standing brutal order to brutalize Jester180. It sat at the bottom of my PM's, and i forgot about it. At least Jester180 didn't have a massive game changing presence after he would have been killed. I feel that since he is already among the winners, i shouldn't let a GM mistake take the win away from him after the game is already over.
4. I failed to set the cultists into contact with the Wolves from the beginning of the game. This could have prevented the Sorc from ever making contact with the baddies, but he ended up making contact with them anyways.
5. The Scanners seemed to have very bad luck this game. Nautilu (Walrus) never hit anyone that would appear to be something other than villager. The Arch Mede managed to find one wolf in the entire game. We all know what happened to OrangeYoshi.
6. Make sure you have enough time to devote to writing longer updates. Also don't GM if you will have to make the schedule nuts in order for you to be around.
7. The baddies had one of the worst games that i have ever seen from them. Out of the last 6 days and nights, 10 baddies were killed while only 4 baddies died during the same time.
Complete Player list from game start
8 Villagers- Antracer (subbed by WD), J. Pass, Kriszo, Joebthegreat, Okyriosy, 2nd in command Hebelecan, Rexodia48 (Blessed), Walrus (Leader)
4 Knights who say "NI!" (Werewolves)- VLN (Spiritually Attuned), muttoneer (Brutal), Raczynski, Jerard
4 French Knniggets (Werewolves)- EUROO7, Jopi, Marty99 (Brutal), Lord_D
1 Sorceror- Nautilu (Subbed by Walrus)
1 Sorc's apprentice- Slinky (Spiritually Attuned)
1 Seer- The Arch Mede (3rd in command)
1 Seer App.- Dublish
1 Priest- OrangeYoshi
1 Unclaimed Apprentice- The_Split
1 Guardian Angel- Jester180
1 Doctor- PhilleP (Cursed, subbed by snoopdogg)
2 Hunters- the_hdk, snoopdogg
2 Cultists- Lord Strange, Canadiancreed (Subbed by OrangeYoshi)
1 Witness- Hax
2 Lovers- Johho888, sbr
Edit: As to the GA thing, it appears that i forgot to send him a PM confirming it.
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10266766&postcount=272
That is the now (in)famous FL....
That is the now (in)famous FL....
I think this is the second time I have annoyed a brutal wolf into killing me, the other time being one of Jacob-Lundgren' famous brutal werewolf leader games.