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@Kriszo: If we have a selection of people rather than a single bandwagon we have a chance to gain some analysis. And at this point there is no way to tell whether or not someone is evil, eliminating the need for one bandwagon. In my opinion, a first day TIE isnt that bad (unless you arent on the recieving end) and it hels to keep wolves from controlling the game.
 
Votecount:
4: randakar <- AVN(316), Cymsdale(314), Nautilu(361), Kriszo(377)
3: AVN <- randakar(332), Rysz(339), walrus(359)
3: Capibara <- GeneralHannibal(323), marty99(351), OrangeYoshi(360)
3: Yakman <- XenomorphII(349), Xarkan(364), jerard(382)
2: EUROO7 <- Jopi(332), Teep(365)
1: GeneralHannibal <- NobleHelium(358)
1: jonti-h <- Yakman(311)
1: Muttoneer <- Paendrag(336)
1: Walrus <- EUROO7(370)

Here is where I would normally vote EUROO7 but he gets enough of being accused of being a wolf early, I say we wait until we know he is a wolf, which he is, until we lynch him.

Vote Yakman
 
Wtf, are you seriously going to kill a newbie on the first day of his first game.

For shame!! :mad::mad::mad:

This is NOT how we get more players to join WW. So unvote him now and meta someone else instead! These are the winners of last game... I'm not posting them for any specific reason, just so you-know you know who they are.

The final day of the last game said:
trespoe the confused priest, J. Passepartout the spiritually attuned villager, the_hdk the priest, Syber_sid the foreign villager with a brother, THE_SPLIT the bodyguard, and Nautilu the former sacrificial lamb won!
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Vote Walrus

I don't like his bucket. I looks at me.... I think it means to murder me... Am I getting paranoid or is it getting other people killer looks as well?
 
No wait. I'm going to meta Johho888.

Why?
- He survived until the end of the last game ( although he did lose)
- He wins a lot
- He almost never gets META'ed

I think its about time that we gave Johho a proper META death. We love you Johho, we don't you to feel left outside the fun. You should feel the joy of dying super early as well :)

Unvote Walrus
MetaVote Johho888
 
Cymsdale said:
I thought meta voting was bad.
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Killing the same person over and over again in the first days is bad. Doesn't matter if you lynch them or hunt them. That you should not do. Killing someone because they are winning too much or just annoyed you last game is perfectly acceptable as long as you don't consistently kill the same person. Besides, what alternatives are there? Totally random votes? I know its becoming a fad, but goodies voting randomly is not good. Challanging someone as to why they voted someone and they just say "Dunno. Random" is very annoying. ESPACIALLY as there ARE goodies who do that, even very late in the game. This makes it a lot harder to find wolfes, since they now have access to this retarded defense argument and can hide among loads of villagers making the same votes. If all goodies have logical agendas and ensure that our votes follow that logic then we thin the woods and baddie tracking becomes a lot easier because they begin to stand out. We need to ensure that baddies can't cast votes to protect their packmates, and then later claim they weren't doing that. That they were just casting random votes.

Yes. On the first day perhaps you can't say that you believe x is ev0l and present a detailed description as to why, but the sooner and more detailed we make our arguments the better the voting history and the easier we have finding wolfes.

So what is my own agenda. Well, I don't kill any of the following for no apparent reason. I will however not pause a second with destroying them if I believe them to be evil.
- Newbies, because thats just mean and doesn't help us get more players
- People who always die early. Because thats very mean and get people to quit
- People who are funny to play with. IMHO a fun game > a game I win.

That can be overwritten if they either
- Win too much
- Has annoyed me
- Someone else sent in the hunt order and I couldn't be bothered to change it
- I felt like it :p
 
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Vote Walrus

I find myself agreeing w/ White Daimons logic. I don't like some other choices (like Yakman) because he always gets run up, and Walrus is a good random choice of those with votes. I haven't seen Capi in a long time (except last game, and he departed early, then)


It is also very early in the voting, so I will (more than likely) switch before the end. I will be online at least once before the deadline.
 
White Daimon said:
Killing the same person over and over again in the first days is bad. Doesn't matter if you lynch them or hunt them. That you should not do. Killing someone because they are winning too much or just annoyed you last game is perfectly acceptable as long as you don't consistently kill the same person. Besides, what alternatives are there? Totally random votes? I know its becoming a fad, but goodies voting randomly is not good. Challanging someone as to why they voted someone and they just say "Dunno. Random" is very annoying. ESPACIALLY as there ARE goodies who do that, even very late in the game. This makes it a lot harder to find wolfes, since they now have access to this retarded defense argument and can hide among loads of villagers making the same votes. If all goodies have logical agendas and ensure that our votes follow that logic then we thin the woods and baddie tracking becomes a lot easier because they begin to stand out. We need to ensure that baddies can't cast votes to protect their packmates, and then later claim they weren't doing that. That they were just casting random votes.

Yes. On the first day perhaps you can't say that you believe x is ev0l and present a detailed description as to why, but the sooner and more detailed we make our arguments the better the voting history and the easier we have finding wolfes.

So what is my own agenda. Well, I don't kill any of the following for no apparent reason. I will however not pause a second with destroying them if I believe them to be evil.
- Newbies, because thats just mean and doesn't help us get more players
- People who always die early. Because thats very mean and get people to quit
- People who are funny to play with. IMHO a fun game > a game I win.

That can be overwritten if they either
- Win too much
- Has annoyed me
- Someone else sent in the hunt order and I couldn't be bothered to change it
- I felt like it :p
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White Daimon: No. Just no.

First day votes are never random. Even those players that say it is random are lying.

First day votes are one of two things.

They are meta votes based on past information.

They are analysis votes based on what little information we have from just today and yesterday's voting.

I try to go for the latter most of the time. For example, I would have very good reason to vote Kriszo right now for his behaviour.

Unvote Walrus
Vote Kriszo


So please don't say that random is the only way to go besides meta. There is plenty of information on the first day if you care to look.
 
EUROO7 said:
So please don't say that random is the only way to go besides meta. There is plenty of information on the first day.
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Which is why I usually change votes later in the first day.

My first vote on the first day is a different matter and is determined kinda randomly, after I remove those I don't like lynching day 1.
 
This is why you die so often early? Because your voting pattern clearly consistently distinguishes you as a seer/wolf and everybody can see that early on?

Yeah, some can do a little analysis on the first day and yes you are right that it is possible to do so. And ideally this is what you should do. The main points of my post was that Meta in some cases = bad, meta in general is okay and goodie random voting = baaad. Note my line about not hesitating to kill anyone I believe to be ev0l.
 
White Daimon said:
This is why you die so often early? Because your voting pattern clearly consistently distinguishes you as a seer/wolf and everybody can see that early on?

Yeah, some can do a little analysis on the first day and yes you are right that it is possible to do so. And ideally this is what you should do. The main points of my post was that Meta in some cases = bad, meta in general is okay and goodie random voting = baaad. Note my line about not hesitating to kill anyone I believe to be ev0l.
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Except there is no random voting.

Also, you are assuming I read your wall'o text post. I did no such thing,
 
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