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Very awesome! You're the new RIMP, Lowman.
I wouldn't go that far. It is not like I am planning to expand the map, and wait a minute, who is this Lowman?
The changes look great! Especially giving Sicily more provinces.
Glad you like them.
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Have formulated a basic idea on Dacia. Will result in one new province (and a rather big Apuli province as the city (Apulon) in that province should be quite central, while the cities in Daci should be more to the southwest). The new province, Petrodava, that might start barbarian-owned. Piephigi will be expanded to include western part of Tyras, so Tyras will not extend so far inland, instead being completely coastal like the other Greek city provinces.
Have decided how to give Bithynia two provinces (one western with Nicomedia, Nicaea etc. and one eastern with Bithynion in what is now western Paphlagonia), not quite sure yet of how to do it for Pergamon (leaning towards one big Mysia covering Pergamon and what is now westernmost Bithynia (where Cyzicus should be) and one small Troad province). May add Lesbos (Macedonian) while working on that area. Anyone have any ideas on how to have two provinces for Galatia?
Lowman? Don't ask me, 'w' is not even close to 'f' on my keyboard. It is a typo, though. Anyway, you have RIMPish tendencies. Sure, you'll never release an extended map, but on the other hand, the RIMP team won't be doing that either.
Anyway, you have RIMPish tendencies. Sure, you'll never release an extended map, but on the other hand, the RIMP team won't be doing that either.
Perhaps.
No matter, here is Dacia:
May, depending on how the Scordisce fare, squeeze in a province where Singidunum, Daci and Scodra meet with city whose name I don't remember but today is Belgrad, as another Scordisci province.
And Bithynia and Pergamon:
Rest of Asia Minor will probably see a second Galatian province, Lycaonia and hopefully another Cappadocian province (and a semi-independent Cappadocia at the start), but not much more. Caria could be divided into inland and coastal part (the inland would relatively soon be Seleucid, the coastal would include the islands and remain Ptolemaic for a long time), but I have not decided wether I will do that or not, leaning towards not. Have thought a bit about Pontus, but while Sinope could be added (causing yet another independent Greek City), it is decent enough as it is.
No matter, here is Dacia:
May, depending on how the Scordisce fare, squeeze in a province where Singidunum, Daci and Scodra meet with city whose name I don't remember but today is Belgrad, as another Scordisci province.
And Bithynia and Pergamon:
Rest of Asia Minor will probably see a second Galatian province, Lycaonia and hopefully another Cappadocian province (and a semi-independent Cappadocia at the start), but not much more. Caria could be divided into inland and coastal part (the inland would relatively soon be Seleucid, the coastal would include the islands and remain Ptolemaic for a long time), but I have not decided wether I will do that or not, leaning towards not. Have thought a bit about Pontus, but while Sinope could be added (causing yet another independent Greek City), it is decent enough as it is.
Nice additions Lofman, especially the ones in Dacia. It is a usually neglected region so it's great to see som care for it.
About Asia Minor, I have a few ideas. One thing wich always annoyed me was that the Seleucids from a later start date were cut of from their possessions in Anatolia, as the Ptolemies by then control Cilicia and Cappadocia is independant. Historically the Seleucids could reach these areas despite having lost Cappadocia and Cilicia. For instance there is an account on Antiochus III (later 'the Great') leading an expedition to Asia Minor to root out the rebel Achaeus, who had taken control of Lydia/Phrygia, and fight the Attalids of Pergamon, who had also annexed Seleucid territory. This was after the battle of Raphia, when the Ptolemies controlled Coele-Syria and the southern coast of Asia Minor, so there must have been a passage through or around the Taurus Mountains from Syria to the Seleucid possessions in Asia Minor wich the Seleucids could use without having to cross through enemy territory.
About Asia Minor, I have a few ideas. One thing wich always annoyed me was that the Seleucids from a later start date were cut of from their possessions in Anatolia, as the Ptolemies by then control Cilicia and Cappadocia is independant. Historically the Seleucids could reach these areas despite having lost Cappadocia and Cilicia. For instance there is an account on Antiochus III (later 'the Great') leading an expedition to Asia Minor to root out the rebel Achaeus, who had taken control of Lydia/Phrygia, and fight the Attalids of Pergamon, who had also annexed Seleucid territory. This was after the battle of Raphia, when the Ptolemies controlled Coele-Syria and the southern coast of Asia Minor, so there must have been a passage through or around the Taurus Mountains from Syria to the Seleucid possessions in Asia Minor wich the Seleucids could use without having to cross through enemy territory.
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Those map changes look awsome cant wait to try it. In regards to anatolia I definetly think that the area around Pontus could use some work, but that is just my opinion.
Great map changes Lofman. Like how Bithynia is actually where Bithynia should be instead of Pontus owning it. Sicily is great and of course splitting Macedonia was definitely needed. You draw very nice borders without sharp edges. Muy bonita.
Agree about Dacia, should take a lot of territory out of northern Scodra for another province. And as for Anatolia, I've always thought Lydia was the most awfully done province. IMHO should be split in two, one coastal, one inland, so that coastal Lydia half isn't bordering Lycia especially, or possibly Phrygia either.
Agree about Dacia, should take a lot of territory out of northern Scodra for another province. And as for Anatolia, I've always thought Lydia was the most awfully done province. IMHO should be split in two, one coastal, one inland, so that coastal Lydia half isn't bordering Lycia especially, or possibly Phrygia either.
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Nice idea. Decided to add Tyana (city in Cappadocia near the Cilician Gates, important and remained Seleucid until 188). Will not deal with the problem at all times, but I plan to let it border Commagene (which is going to lose lot of its current area to Cilicia and Cappadocian provinces as it is to be moved closer to where it should be, which luckily is not far) if possible, so things will be slightly better then otherwise.
Yes it could do with some improvement, however it works reasonably well as it is. Not to say there will not be any changes at all, just that none are really planned at the moment.
Nope. However it seems that the main thing that will cause some issues is the defines.txt. The map-changes should not change that I think, so to get it to work properly does not seem that difficult.
I say you are in full support of another Scordisci province? Will do that. Could do what you suggest for Lydia, while yet another province for the Seleucids I plan to strengthen Armenia and Atropatene (and their northern neighbours) so it may even out. Do you think Caria should be divided as well with a coastal region with Halicarnassos and the islands and an inland one?
When it is done. Considering how quickly things have progressed, it may not be that long (especially as while Asia Minor will get a few provinces, Caucasus and (some of) Persia will just get border changes, Mesopotamia and Egypt will be more or less unchanged. Syria will get some work and then it comes to Carthage and then the barbarian territories neither of which have that much planned at the moment). But can't say for sure.
Here are some more screenshots. First Asia Minor.
Then we have Atropatene, the misplaced text for Amardi has been fixed. No new provinces yet, only changed borders.
Current look of Commagene, more recent then the Asia Minor screenshot.
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Edit: And here is Syria. One new country: Palmyra. It only have Arabia and Dumatha for the same reasons I let the Nabateans have it previously: to prevent Seleucid colonization of that area.
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Then we have Atropatene, the misplaced text for Amardi has been fixed. No new provinces yet, only changed borders.
Current look of Commagene, more recent then the Asia Minor screenshot.
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Edit: And here is Syria. One new country: Palmyra. It only have Arabia and Dumatha for the same reasons I let the Nabateans have it previously: to prevent Seleucid colonization of that area.
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No status update yesterday as I did not do much on this and focused on the AAR instead. Today however I have done some work, and is currently focusing on Gaul. Currently I don't think I will do much more then altering the appearance of a few borders, move some cities and other not very interesting stuff. After Gaul what remains are looking closer at Germania (some work done there as can be seen by the first screenshot in this post), doing something for Britain (I have some ideas) and northwest Africa. Will have to add some of the new province in the migration decisions, otherwise one can't migrate to them (which can be silly for Ubii to take an example), and updating descriptions for some to reflect provinces that have changed name.
Here we have the Rhine, plan the improve the borders on the German part. Have not done anything at Ampsivarii, but is considering some potential provinces. Main problem is that Cherusci still has only one province and directly borders Suebi (and Chatti now that they have two provinces), will have to deal with that in some way.
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The final look of Gallia Cisalpina. No longer will it be possible to spread out from the Insubrian starting territory and colonize beyond the alps, at least not directly. Helvetii is where they are as they appearantly should not be in the Swiss Plateau (province Aventicum) yet at the start. However starting sufficiently late will have them in Aventicum, if starting earlier one may if having a good enough leader migrate to Aventicum.
And finally Hispania. Not much has changed actually. One new province in the northeast, some minor border changes but it does look a lot like it already did.
Here we have the Rhine, plan the improve the borders on the German part. Have not done anything at Ampsivarii, but is considering some potential provinces. Main problem is that Cherusci still has only one province and directly borders Suebi (and Chatti now that they have two provinces), will have to deal with that in some way.
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The final look of Gallia Cisalpina. No longer will it be possible to spread out from the Insubrian starting territory and colonize beyond the alps, at least not directly. Helvetii is where they are as they appearantly should not be in the Swiss Plateau (province Aventicum) yet at the start. However starting sufficiently late will have them in Aventicum, if starting earlier one may if having a good enough leader migrate to Aventicum.
And finally Hispania. Not much has changed actually. One new province in the northeast, some minor border changes but it does look a lot like it already did.
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I think that a version with the new provinces will come relatively soon. It is not much left that I feel needs to be done before so, the only area I have any sort of plan for is Britain, for the rest, well ideas are welcome.
Well here is Carthage. Not much in the way of new province. However it looks different. Some changes in southern Iberia, with one new tribe: Turdetani.
And Gaul. Not many changes. You can see some changes in the Rhine area, looks better now.
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Well here is Carthage. Not much in the way of new province. However it looks different. Some changes in southern Iberia, with one new tribe: Turdetani.
And Gaul. Not many changes. You can see some changes in the Rhine area, looks better now.
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I think that the Numidia and Mauretania provinces should both be split in two, imo it looks weird that both stretch from the Mediterranean to the PTI. Carthage should be able to conquer the whole coastal area without having to take out all the tribes, and it will make them a tad stronger, too.
Well it is difficult for Carthage anyway considering the Massaesyli capital is on the coast
. However I see your point with going from PTI to the Mediterranean, and for Numidia it could be easily done by dividing the southernmost part between Massyli and Tritonis. For Mauretania, the problem is getting a name for the new province. I am certain something could be found, but have not found it myself (If I had the province would have been divided in two already, albeit probably in the middle).Something like this (but with a real name instead of ??? for the new province):
Here are a couple of suggestions from the Barrington Atlas:
- On the eastern side of the little promontory to the west of the border is the city/town of Rusaddir
- a river/creek is also marked dead in the middle of the province labelled: "Mulucha?/Malva?
- a people/tribe is also marked covering the promontory and the land to the east of the promitory. They are called the Herpeditanoi.
Have you thought about adding some new trade goods to go along with the extra provinces ?
- On the eastern side of the little promontory to the west of the border is the city/town of Rusaddir
- a river/creek is also marked dead in the middle of the province labelled: "Mulucha?/Malva?
- a people/tribe is also marked covering the promontory and the land to the east of the promitory. They are called the Herpeditanoi.
Have you thought about adding some new trade goods to go along with the extra provinces ?
Hmm, alot of work done, nice Lofman!
As for Asia, I like it all except that Palmyra is so huge but I understand your reasons, and also now that Cilicia is huge I think it should be split in two.
Gaul/Cisalpina: Awesome! Very nicely done, I love it! Hopefully if you make the Alp regions very low civ to begin with it will keep Rome from colonizing Germania so early. This is now my favorite region of your map! Along with this region I think it would be awesome if you implemented Hardradi's river trading along the Rhine and Danube. Makes those new provinces much more relevant and worth colonizing.
Hispania: All good except Bastetani is funky-shaped now, I think.
North Africa you surprised me for the first time. I'm not much for sugar-coating it, I don't like it. I hate two-coastline provs for a number of reasons, IMHO two-coastline Mauretania should be split, Numidia redone like you suggested with the yellow borders in a screenie. Overall, judging by the map, it looks like Carthage was extremely crippled by your changes, which makes me sad. Also in comparison to the all the other regions you've redone now, it seems like Africa's provinces in general are too big and too few; I would add more. But again just my opinion nothing personal, keep up the good work!
As for Asia, I like it all except that Palmyra is so huge but I understand your reasons, and also now that Cilicia is huge I think it should be split in two.
Gaul/Cisalpina: Awesome! Very nicely done, I love it! Hopefully if you make the Alp regions very low civ to begin with it will keep Rome from colonizing Germania so early. This is now my favorite region of your map!
Along with this region I think it would be awesome if you implemented Hardradi's river trading along the Rhine and Danube. Makes those new provinces much more relevant and worth colonizing.Hispania: All good except Bastetani is funky-shaped now, I think.
North Africa you surprised me for the first time. I'm not much for sugar-coating it, I don't like it. I hate two-coastline provs for a number of reasons, IMHO two-coastline Mauretania should be split, Numidia redone like you suggested with the yellow borders in a screenie. Overall, judging by the map, it looks like Carthage was extremely crippled by your changes, which makes me sad.
Also in comparison to the all the other regions you've redone now, it seems like Africa's provinces in general are too big and too few; I would add more. But again just my opinion nothing personal, keep up the good work!
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Think I will use Mulucha for the province. Thanks.
Have not thought much about new trade goods, any ideas?
Hmm, alot of work done, nice Lofman!
As for Asia, I like it all except that Palmyra is so huge but I understand your reasons, and also now that Cilicia is huge I think it should be split in two.
Gaul/Cisalpina: Awesome! Very nicely done, I love it! Hopefully if you make the Alp regions very low civ to begin with it will keep Rome from colonizing Germania so early. This is now my favorite region of your map!
Hispania: All good except Bastetani is funky-shaped now, I think.
North Africa you surprised me for the first time. I'm not much for sugar-coating it, I don't like it. I hate two-coastline provs for a number of reasons, IMHO two-coastline Mauretania should be split, Numidia redone like you suggested with the yellow borders in a screenie. Overall, judging by the map, it looks like Carthage was extremely crippled by your changes, which makes me sad.
Cilicia is not that big, is it? Could be divided I suppose, but I don't want to give the Seleucids more provinces.
Nice you like Gallia Cisalpina. River trading could be a good idea.
Well Bastetani is nothing compared to how it would have looked had I followed the map closer, then it would IIRC extend northward to Olcades, taking the eastern part of Oretani and western part of Contestani. That would have been on really funky-looking province.
Carthage is not too crippled, they only direct province link they lost is Ikosim to Hippo Regius so they look more weakened then they truly are. Also outside Carthage, Thapsus and Hippo Regius, all their African provinces used to have Numidian culture, changed it to Carthaginian now that they are closer to the coast. Agree a bit with that some of the inland provinces are a bit too big. Sadly not the easiest part of the map to find good names for new provinces though.
Northwest Africa, take two.
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And here we have Britain. Considered also adding Carvetii, but decided against it for now, it should probably belong to the Brigantes, but I'm not sure wether I want any British tribes starting with two provinces. Cornovii and Durotriges are two other potential provinces I have considered, but not added. There are as can be seen three new tribes: Iceni, Trinovantes and Brigantes.
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And here we have Britain. Considered also adding Carvetii, but decided against it for now, it should probably belong to the Brigantes, but I'm not sure wether I want any British tribes starting with two provinces. Cornovii and Durotriges are two other potential provinces I have considered, but not added. There are as can be seen three new tribes: Iceni, Trinovantes and Brigantes.
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