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Torn is right, Velasco is probably the least likely wolf among us, if he was he would undoubtedly have consulted his packmates and they would have told him not to etc.
It's like saying Rob Green is an American spy, well, not really, but meh.
 
I made a mistake in assuming that everything was secret until the person dies - as far as I had understood all the killing/protecting/scanning/sexing etc was all anonymously done.
Obviously if I knew people would know I was the one who had killed him or that I had the knife I wouldn't have done it.

I'm not a wolf - if I was, surely I would have killed somebody as part of the pack of werewolves in secret and not by myself openly in public.
Everyone was saying Snoopdogg was the 1st in command so killing him seemed like a fun/interesting/right thing to do.
And its pretty obvious the people who will press hardest for me to be lynched will be the actual wolves who will want one less villager.

Btw, unvote Eternaly_Lost, vote Jonti-h
 
Saintis said:
Is there any doubt that Velasco is a wolf? The official update stated that he was a hunter, and is it possible for a person to be both hunter and wolf?
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Hunter is a trait. So the answer to that question is: Yes.

I agree with the opinion of pretty much everyone that was the kind of yoshi move that pretty much guarantees he gets lynched, but if he is a wolf that's one hell of a strange way to use that power. At the very least his pack should have stopped him from sending in that particular order.

On the other hand, I fully believe the "I didn't expect my name to be listed bit" there but his reasons for using the power this early are senseless unless he's a baddie. Then again how on earth would he have known Snoopdogg was a VH seer? Sorcerer scan? But VH turns up as a baddie on the sorcerer's scans as well right? Or doesn't it?

This doesn't jive. At all. Gut feeling says we have here one idiotic goodie who will get relentlessly bandwagoned and lose us a day of voting on top of the fallout of the nightly actions .. but even I don't see a way to let this one go. I'd ask the seer or the priest to scan him so we can at least have a day of normal lynch votes but ..

edit: Emu'd ..
 
Calamity said:
Honestly while it was obviously a newbie mistake, the fact that he wanted to hide his hunt from us seems to suggest theres a decent possibility he's a baddie hunter not a goodie one, after all why would a goodie want to hide the fact that they hunted someone?
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True, but as a baddie, he would have gotten instruction from other wolves. I doubt they would tell him to use his ability so early.
Also, I agree with OrangeYoshi - velasco will be scanned early, so let's wait until that happens.

For the time being:

Unvote OrangeYoshi
Vote johho888

Straight in the bandwagon.
 
Velasco said:
I made a mistake in assuming that everything was secret until the person dies - as far as I had understood all the killing/protecting/scanning/sexing etc was all anonymously done.
Obviously if I knew people would know I was the one who had killed him or that I had the knife I wouldn't have done it.

I'm not a wolf - if I was, surely I would have killed somebody as part of the pack of werewolves in secret and not by myself openly in public.
Everyone was saying Snoopdogg was the 1st in command so killing him seemed like a fun/interesting/right thing to do.
And its pretty obvious the people who will press hardest for me to be lynched will be the actual wolves who will want one less villager.

Btw, unvote Eternaly_Lost, vote Jonti-h
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Oh get out of it. You did an incredibly stupid thing, probably the worst decision since Olaf the Hairy, the Viking leader, ordered 50,000 battle helmets with the horns on ths inside.

That is why I , and a hell of a lot of other people, are voting for you and why Snoop is so keen to know if you intend to play again.

You do not kill people in WW because you think it is funny or interesting, unless you plan on being an OY clone, you do it because it is the right thing for your side.

As for the logic that Velasco can't be evil because his packmates would have talked him out of this, then that is bull, because he can play the confused newbie card - as he is doing now.
 
randakar said:
On the other hand, I fully believe the "I didn't expect my name to be listed bit" there but his reasons for using the power this early are senseless unless he's a baddie. Then again how on earth would he have known Snoopdogg was a VH seer? Sorcerer scan? But VH turns up as a baddie on the sorcerer's scans as well right? Or doesn't it?
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There was only one night. There wasn't enough time to scan snoop as well as Velasco and get Velasco to hunt him.

Tornadoli said:
Also, I agree with OrangeYoshi - velasco will be scanned early, so let's wait until that happens.
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But as I later said, are there even any scanners left?
 
Jonti you are such a wolf its unreal. Both in PM to the Head Mod and when I first posted I made very clear that I was a newbie and yet noone bothered to explain or offer any help - if anything you are the ones who were incredibly stupid not to say "Hey, newbie, don't do this and this, this is how the game works, etc." Also not my fault the rules/descriptions are so vague. So bitch please.

People were saying that Snoop was the 1st in the command so I thought killing him WAS the correct thing to do. However, I did NOT know that my hunter trait would be made public when I killed him much less that being a hunter villager would get me kicked out the game by everyone else - I thought I would "randomly" bump him off at the same time that Kaetje got lynched, find out if he really was the chief wolf or whatever, and that would be the end of it.
 
Okay, who to vote for
Obviously there's f*** all to work with, but I think the best way is to vote those who bandwagoned Velasco, particularly the more experienced ones who should know better:
(jonti), the-hdk, trespoe and johho888
jonti was the first to do so I'll give him a pass

Vote Trespoe
 
"First in command" isn't a role like "wolf" is. It's a trait. It just means that they can override the day's lynching process. That doesn't need to be explained to anyone, it's right in the rules.
 
Hmm. Well, I didn't see that, I thought it meant he was in charge of the wolves or something.
 
Calamity said:
Honestly while it was obviously a newbie mistake, the fact that he wanted to hide his hunt from us seems to suggest theres a decent possibility he's a baddie hunter not a goodie one, after all why would a goodie want to hide the fact that they hunted someone?
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marty99 said:
Okay, who to vote for
Obviously there's f*** all to work with, but I think the best way is to vote those who bandwagoned Velasco, particularly the more experienced ones who should know better:
(jonti), the-hdk, trespoe and johho888
jonti was the first to do so I'll give him a pass

Vote Trespoe
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ok...

Unvote Velasco, Vote the_hdk

now all of those have a vote

EDIT: forgot to unvote...
 
Velasco said:
Hmm. Well, I didn't see that, I thought it meant he was in charge of the wolves or something.
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From the rules:

Pilot (Leader): May declare that the victim of a lynching will not be lynched, and pick another character to be lynched instead. May save themselves if they are the victim of a lynch. If the lynched character is not a baddie the Leader ability is used up. There will never be more than one Leader at any given time. In the event of a tie, only one lynchee can be replaced with the choice of the leader. If there is a tie, only one village person can be saved.
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OrangeYoshi said:
GUYS!


What if Velasco was a second priest or a third seer, he scanned snoop on Night 1 and through hunting him was a good way to get rid of a baddie?
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No.
Good idea, but if he did he surely would have told us so



@jonti: You say Velasco could have done this safe in the knowledge that he could use the newbie card, and in fairness some people do believe him (me for example), but from past experience every single time something like this has happened the person doing it has been lynched, (btw they're almost always goodies), they can use that excuse but it never works, most people just instinctively bandwagon them. I think that if he had packmates they would realise this, and tell him not to do it, which is why I think he's not a wolf.

Cultist? Maybe but how he would know Snoopdogg's role is then a mystery
Sorcerer? Possible, I suppose, but it begs the question why such an important role would sacrifice himself like that, surely wait until he's in touch with a pack then get the wolves to hunt Snoop



But I really think he just done this ''for the lulz'', whether or not this in itself is enough to justify lynching him is open to debate, but I for one would rather focus on trying to get a productive vote cycle so that we can maximize our chances of lynching a wolf and also of getting more material for analysis for later in the game
 
marty99 said:
Cultist? Maybe but how he would know Snoopdogg's role is then a mystery
Sorcerer? Possible, I suppose, but it begs the question why such an important role would sacrifice himself like that, surely wait until he's in touch with a pack then get the wolves to hunt Snoop
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Whatever else he may or may not be, its extremely unlikely he's a Sorceror... Van Helsings scan as baddies (at least I assume they do to Sorcs as well as goodie scanners) and I can't see any reason why a neutral baddie would want to hunt another baddie, no matter how newbie they are.
 
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