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qwerkus said:
I would say that - if your statistics are correct, and I KNOW that those which I saw about the situation in France or Germany aren't - don't take the repressive path. I think that given the amount of community involvment your games enjoy, you might really want to consider switching to another buisness model, perhaps donation or subscription based
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I'm confused. You're not happy with the current registration process and you don't want P'dox to turn into EA. Yet your solution to this is to propose switching to a subscription model? (I'm not even going to consider the donation system when there are over a dozen full time employees involved)

Right now I can buy a P'dox game from a retailer and that transaction is between them and me on a cash only basis. If I want additional support then I can sign up to the forums and register my game - the only identification I have to provide being a email address to access these forums. That is the extent of my interaction with P'dox. Now uf I have qualms about handing over personal details then why would I find it more acceptable to give this company even more data such as my real name or bank/card account numbers? I'm not seeing the logic here

As it currently is, the P'dox method is almost certainly amongst the more 'light touch' approaches out there in the industry. There are no grounds for assuming that it is about to morph in EA and require the likes of permanent internet connections

And, for the record, I am entirely against subscription games and services. We'll see what this upcoming 'Paradox Connect' thing is but I do not like giving my bank details to anyone

ssj18vegeta said:
I really wouldn't want a subscriptions based model for paradox games. The ability to donate to paradox however would be a really good idea. I'm sure a lot of people on these forums would donate 5 euro's or more if it would net them a shiny forum icon (platinum platipus anyone?).
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I would sign away my first born if I could get my old avatar back...
 
qwerkus said:
My apologies. As stated there, I was puzzled about where to post it, so I put a link there. Maybe a mod could merge the threads ?



To preech among the romans, you must join them.

An yet, it's true that something might be wrong in this behaviour. Castellon, can you completely erase me from PI fora ? Is this doable ? Because I might consider it...
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Deleting accounts screws up the forums.
 
Castellon said:
Actually I opened it up a couple of days before release.
You have to be registered to start a thread (How could you write an AAR if you do not own the game) but anyone can participate in AAR threads.

And about registering your game (I assure you it is not used for marketing at all)
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Negative. I cannot reply to VIC 2 AARs.
 
What a massive load of hubris. The forum is the property and responsibility of Paradox Interactive and it's employees. They should be allowed to manage it in a manner deemed responsible and proper by the owners of the company, pursuit to the dictates of good manners and social responsibility. That's all. Talk about making the games free or what they should or should not do is merely an exercise in wasted time.

Luckily for you all, I don't have any problem wasting my time or yours.:D

Face it, qwerkus. You do not have a commanding majority of supporters on this issue. The revolution has both started and ended here, on the borders of the inconsequential.

It was a nice try, though. You do get an A for effort.
 
DarthMaur said:
Negative. I cannot reply to VIC 2 AARs.
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I think that's why I started this thread. Besides the whole political ramdam (I have to take everything to the big level - it's in my nature), I found the way new registration priviledge are implemented quite sneaky.

Why no 'From now on, if you don't own game X, you can't do Y' official post ? After all, we get general threads about 'why you should register' nearly everywhere. Well, maybe because somebody knew it would start a flamewar.

Instead, it has been implemented, and we have to discover it on our own. The perfect fait accompli. You can't even argue against anymore, since it won't be understood as what it is (progressive questionable policy change) but as a pro/against registration polemic, which seems to be a lost cause on corporate fora.

I suddenly feel quite old...
 
RELee said:
Face it, qwerkus. You do not have a commanding majority of supporters on this issue. The revolution has both started and ended here, on the borders of the inconsequential.

It was a nice try, though. You do get an A for effort.
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That's quite condescending of you; since the thread about the addictive aspect of vicky, you really hate me, don't you ?

Besides, I may be wrong, but change always starts with a tiny voice...
 
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qwerkus said:
Since the thread about the addictive aspect of vicky, you really hate me, don't you ?

Besides, I may be wrong, but change starts always with a tiny voice...
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Hate you? No, not at all. For the most part I find you highly entertaining. ;)

I've been proved wrong over most things for most of my 56 years, so you are in excellent company. Being wrong has never caused me to be quiet, unless it suits me.
 
Actually, you registered here May 2007, So the policy on new releases having restricted forums was in place BEFORE you registered, as it started with the Diplomacy release.
With every game that gets released, there is not one thread but many discussing the fact (here we are again talking about it). So I have to call you on that (Claiming we are trying to be "sneaky") especially as it relates to you since it was a policy before you even started posting here.
Also here is a thread about the topic and I do not see a "flamewar", we do not allow flame wars on our forum, which is yet another reason the vast majority of members like it so much.

But thanks for playing the creature known to live under bridges.


EDIT: Darn Veld all those icons under your name must give you faster posting speed, you beat me too it. :)
 
cccino said:
Well, either that, or because it's been the procedure for every game since EU3 (2007).
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I think there's been some stricting to it though, but since I have most of PI games registered I'm not in a good position to notice stuff like that.
 
Castellon said:
Actually, you registered here May 2007, So the policy on new releases having restricted forums was in place BEFORE you registered, as it started with the Diplomacy release.
With every game that gets released, there is not one thread but many discussing the fact (here we are again talking about it). So I have to call you on that (Claiming we are trying to be "sneaky") especially as it relates to you since it was a policy before you even started posting here.
Also here is a thread about the topic and I do not see a "flamewar", we do not allow flame wars on our forum, which is yet another reason the vast majority of members like it so much.

But thanks for playing the creature known to live under bridges.)
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??? Didn't understand (language issue) the last one.

My bad. Fact is that I never consulted pages other than eu2/vicky/hoi2, long before I registered (you can see how registration can be an issue for me), but when I did, I had no restrictions. Noboby warned me, so the v2 restrictions were new to me, hence this thread. And I'm glad we have it :) Also, in my reply, I stated that the sudden implementation of restriction would start flamewars, not the simple fact to talk about it; indeed, the polite way things go is quite reassuring.

As of the threads you claim to have seen, do you have any direct link ? Especially when the policy was first introduced. I would definitely like to read it, and see what arguments came up. I happen to have followed the eu3 developpement path, but must have missed the threads you mentionned. Thanks in advance.

EDIT: Just to be sure: you are saying that there has been absolutely no change in posting privileges according to registration since 2005 ?
 
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qwerkus said:
??? Didn't understand (language issue) the last one.
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I will give you a hint the creatures name starts with a T it has an r & o in the middle and 2 LLs round out the letters. ;)

As for threads , the first ones would be in the Diplomacy forum they are still stickied.

qwerkus said:
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EDIT: Just to be sure: you are saying that there has been absolutely no change in posting privileges according to registration since 2005 ?
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Absolutely not, I tweak forum permissions almost on a daily basis. The many layers and ways you can set permissions with this software and on a forum this large, makes it very hard to get things exactly the way you want with no unintended consequences.
 
Castellon said:
I will give you a hint the creatures name starts with a T it has an r & o in the middle and 2 LLs round out the letters. ;)
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Still didn't get it, until I found this one wikipedia:

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response.

Now I feel offended: my post isn't inflammatory, don't know about extraneous, and certainly not off-topic. Never I wanted to provoke anyone, and definitely no emotional response. I always used measured arguments, besides perhaps when discribing how I felt about the newly discovered restrictions, and than, the only word I used was 'sneaky'. Yeah: great trolling !

On the contrary, everywhere I state that main objective is discussing stuff. If anyone questioning the way these fora work, or the way PI minds its buisness is discredited for 'trolling' I'm really wondering what's the purpose of allowing public registration. Perhaps you might consider adding a forum rule about this, to avoid people like me even showing up...


Castellon said:
As for threads , the first ones would be in the Diplomacy forum they are still stickied.
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I'm sorry to bother you again with this, but I didn't find any extensive discussion about the new forum regulation. Only announcements and disclaimer. Maybe I missed the thread you are referring to.

Castellon said:
Absolutely not, I tweak forum permissions almost on a daily basis. The many layers and ways you can set permissions with this software and on a forum this large, makes it very hard to get things exactly the way you want with no unintended consequences.
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You understand that this isn't very helpful. Basically, it could serve as an excuse to do whatever you want in the fora. I should probably reformulate my question like this:

"Was there any offical PI policy change regarding user priviledge in the fora and game registration since the release of diplomacy back to 2005 ?"

I find this question interesting because I saw several posts like 'you are not allowed to do anything anymore' from forum members probably under the same impression than DarthJF, that forum privilege are down.
 
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You do realize that Paradox says often, that you need to register your games to receive support. I couldn't find any exact posts, but I've been playing Paradox games since ~2001, 2002 and I've known about it. I didn't even have a forum account, yet I still knew. In fact, I only made my forum account so I could register my game, (EU3) and receive support. It took me about one minute, all I did was give my serial to the company who made it. I actually posted in the main forum first, before I registered, and someone told me to register and post in tech support.

It's a good exchange for DRMs. What would you rather have? Limited installs? Or having to register your game to use the forums?
 
At the end of the day you have the reality.

Paradox lets you play their games without registering. They allow you to sign up on the forum and make posts without registering. They do restrict you in some cases to give a bonus to those of us who do register (faster tech support, community support and tactics)

Also tech support can be gained through the paradox website also, as has been stated before, it's just slower.

You don't have to register your game, but if you don't you won't have all the privileges.

People who register fall into three categories (always, but the first two are very broad).

Pirates, who illegally downloaded the game and thus don't have a working code to register with, or;

People who have made the choice not to register, knowing the consequences of not registering, and accepting it, knowing they can register whenever they want.

People who obtained the game (given by friend, found somewhere, used game) and either don't have a CD key, or can't use the one given due to previous use. In this case I;m sure forum tech support (generic) will help you out if provide a photo of you with the CD/game case/etc. or whatever ID they want.
 
qwerkus said:
I'm sorry to bother you again with this, but I didn't find any extensive discussion about the new forum regulation. Only announcements and disclaimer. Maybe I missed the thread you are referring to.
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Yes that is because most people seam to understand and did not feel the need to discuss it at length.

qwerkus said:
You understand that this isn't very helpful. Basically, it could serve as an excuse to do whatever you want in the fora. I should probably reformulate my question like this: ...
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We do not need an "excuse" to do what we want. ;)
You are implying we are doing something nefarious and "Sneaky" that is trolling because as has been shown it is clearly not true.

At any rate I will not be drawn into an argument about it. If you wish to discuss it further you can do so by PM or E-mail

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