Numerals for kings - and other name related wishes

[oggbogg2]

What i really would like for this wonderful new game is the following.

1. Numerals for kings.

If King Olav of norway is followed as king by his son Olav, then the new king automatically should be assigned the name Olav II (Or 2nd)

This would be one of the most important things for me.

2. Real papal names (With numerals)

When the Bishop Erik Yngling is elected pope he should be assigned a random papal sounding name. Like Innocent, Bonifacius and so on. These papal names should also be followed by the correct number.
The birth name for the papal character could be written in brackets on their page.

3, Nick names.
Kigns could under given circumstances be given nick names becayse of things they've done.

Harald the horrible - done some atricious acts
John the Spineless - failed to realise some of his options
Theobald the Bold - Good results in battle, won over bigger forces with a small army for instance
Johanna the mad - goes without saying
Phillip the old - the list could go on and on.

Not every king should get at nickname, but some of them. This would be assigned by some kind of event.

I also believes this should be restricted to kings

 

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I don't like to see Roman numerals for the first monarch of a name, though.

Edward II is fine, but his father should just be Edward until there's a second of the name.

Austen

 

[LordofSaxony]

Sounds good with me! *thumbs up*

 

[Txini]

I don't like to see Roman numerals for the first monarch of a name, though.

Edward II is fine, but his father should just be Edward until there's a second of the name.

Austen

I think is better he has, so when you go back in time you could see who was the First Edward, specially for countries not ruled by you and that you may not have been looking at first but later interested

 

[oggbogg2]

I don't like to see Roman numerals for the first monarch of a name, though.

Edward II is fine, but his father should just be Edward until there's a second of the name.

Austen

I totally agree.

And i also CRAVE a list of previous kings for each kingdom, with ruling dates, and other important information.

 

[tretii_sleva]

Yeah, I guess it's ok for idea, although lot's of things discussed on this forum already existed as mods for CK1. Could be nice to have it all in original game.

 

[EBroegger]

In some cultures, it was a custom for people to get a surname from their fathers first name. Like in norse for example Olav "Tryggveson" - Olav, son of Tryggve. I know that this didn't happen in all cultures, but I think that it was seen often enough to be implemented in the game. And it's not only for historic purposes, it tightens the characters bond to the father, and of course it would look quite cool, or atleast it would in my opinion.

 

[Txini]

In some cultures, it was a custom for people to get a surname from their fathers first name. Like in norse for example Olav "Tryggveson" - Olav, son of Tryggve. I know that this didn't happen in all cultures, but I think that it was seen often enough to be implemented in the game. And it's not only for historic purposes, it tightens the characters bond to the father, and of course it would look quite cool, or atleast it would in my opinion.

In fact in Middle Ages was very common in most cultures, it was in Renaissance with the legislation on surnames that they were lost in many cultures

 

[ragot]

In some cultures, it was a custom for people to get a surname from their fathers first name. Like in norse for example Olav "Tryggveson" - Olav, son of Tryggve. I know that this didn't happen in all cultures, but I think that it was seen often enough to be implemented in the game. And it's not only for historic purposes, it tightens the characters bond to the father, and of course it would look quite cool, or atleast it would in my opinion.

I agree but this raises the problem about how to indicate in which dynasty do these peoples belong to.

 

[DPS]

What i really would like for this wonderful new game is the following.

1. Numerals for kings.

If King Olav of norway is followed as king by his son Olav, then the new king automatically should be assigned the name Olav II (Or 2nd)

This would be one of the most important things for me.

2. Real papal names (With numerals)

When the Bishop Erik Yngling is elected pope he should be assigned a random papal sounding name. Like Innocent, Bonifacius and so on. These papal names should also be followed by the correct number.
The birth name for the papal character could be written in brackets on their page.

3, Nick names.
Kigns could under given circumstances be given nick names becayse of things they've done.

Harald the horrible - done some atricious acts
John the Spineless - failed to realise some of his options
Theobald the Bold - Good results in battle, won over bigger forces with a small army for instance
Johanna the mad - goes without saying
Phillip the old - the list could go on and on.

Not every king should get at nickname, but some of them. This would be assigned by some kind of event.

I also believes this should be restricted to kings

I tend to agree in principle (though why it should be restricted to kings I have no idea) but I'm not sure it would work in practice. After all, in the game, you won't know for certain that King Olav will be followed by his son Olav, because the son might die first, so the son wouldn't become Olav II until his father's death. I'm somewhat concerned that the program might not recognize him as being the same character he was before he became king. I'm not sure that this would be a problem, so if it's not, it would be a great thing to have in the game.

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

It would be nice, but there are also some problems with this and I am not sure how to solve these.

f.e. You start as Olaf I count of Agder, then your next ruler is also named Olaf so he is Olaf II but he becomes duke of Vestlandet (and before him there were no dukes named Olaf) so is he then duke Olaf II or duke Olaf I and count Olaf II ?

Or your ruler can have different cultures but essentialy the same name

f.e. you start as king of France and your king is Henri I, then he gets a son with German culture named Heinrich is that that Heinrich I or Heinrich II. Heinrich gets a son with Italian culture named Enrico, is he Enrico III or Enrico I ?

In EUIII this isn't a problem of course since there monarchs names come from the country-files, if we assume that in CK2 the names still come from the culture file then there is a problem.

A solution would be to tie first-names to dynasties, so that f.e. each dynastie has its own file (just as every country in EUIII)

monarch_names = {
	"Henry #0" = 80
              "William #0" = 10
	 "John #0" = 10
               "Edward #0" = 60
              "Richard #0" = 20
	"Edmund #0" = 5
}

But that might cause a problem if the Plantagenet dynastie has different branches who hold different titles. It also excludes cultural change of a dynastie.

So I haven't come up with something that would actually be 'easy' to achieve.

Any other idea's perhaps ?

 

[EBroegger]

In fact in Middle Ages was very common in most cultures, it was in Renaissance with the legislation on surnames that they were lost in many cultures

Well I am no expert on medieaval naming conventions. But I don't think that the French and German used this custom. Did they?

I agree but this raises the problem about how to indicate in which dynasty do these peoples belong to.

That shouldn't be too hard to solve. Knud Knytling with the father Svend should just be called Knud Svendsen Knytling. The dynasty name could simply be the last one written, can't see how that wouldn't work.

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

Well I am no expert on medieaval naming conventions. But I don't think that the French and German used this custom. Did they?That shouldn't be too hard to solve. Knud Knytling with the father Svend should just be called Knud Svendsen Knytling. The dynasty name could simply be the last one written, can't see how that wouldn't work.

But what if his father had occitan culture and his named was Berenguié Raimond Knytling ?

Or what if the father is Russian, like Pavel.

Should he then be Knud Pavelich Knytling ? Or Knud Pavelsen Knytling ?

 

[Cuthuthulu]

There's also the problem that some countries didn't use roman numerals for their kings. Take Saxon England for example, they had two monarchs named Edward but what made them different was their nicknames and no Roman Numerals. After the Normans took over they began using numerals but did not count the kings before William the Conqueror. So when Edward (Longshanks) was crowned he was not known as "Edward III" but Eward I and so on.

 

[EBroegger]

But what if his father had occitan culture and his named was Berenguié Raimond Knytling ?

Then he should have the beautiful name Knud Berenguié Raimondson Knytling.

Joking aside, Paradox should with some clever coding be able to restrict the naming somehow, so that only those who are norse and have norse fathers get the surname, and likewise for the other cultures.

 

[DPS]

It would be nice, but there are also some problems with this and I am not sure how to solve these.

f.e. You start as Olaf I count of Agder, then your next ruler is also named Olaf so he is Olaf II but he becomes duke of Vestlandet (and before him there were no dukes named Olaf) so is he then duke Olaf II or duke Olaf I and count Olaf II ?

Hmm. Hadn't thought of that problem.

In your example he would probably be known as Olaf II of Agder and Olaf I of Vestlandet. Sort of like how the Holy Roman Emperor Charles V (or Karl/Carl V) is also Charles I (actually, Carlos I) of Spain. So yeah, this could get complicated.

 

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Take Saxon England for example, they had two monarchs named Edward but what made them different was their nicknames and no Roman Numerals.

Three: the Elder, the Martyr and the Confessor.

Austen

 

[Cuthuthulu]

Three: the Elder, the Martyr and the Confessor.

Austen

Oh yes they did. My bad. This is why Roman Numerals are good for simpletons like me.

 

[LordofSaxony]

Could create some sort of if/then statement in the code, and just use numerals for king/emperor titles only. Basically, it would just keep a list of..

ENGLAND
John I
John II
John III
Richard I
Richard II
Richard III
Richard IV
FRANCE
Richard I
Richard II
Richard III
Francis I
Francis II

and when your newly crowned person is Richard, and he holds the crowns of both England and France, it would go to the next roman numeral of Richard V for the English crown, and Richard IV for the French crown. Basically I imagine it being just a blank data sheet of it's own, could be titled 'numerals' or something.

As for displaying the names, it would display something like this..

Richard Conteville 1070-, age 35
Richard V King of England, Richard IV King of France
Count of Tourraine, Chalons, and Montpellier

Basically, I'm guessing it would have Kings/Emperors on it's own line, and push everything else below it, if.. we're only showing numerals for King/Emperor titles only. So ya, basically I guess it would just be a simple text file that is for kingdoms/empires only, and if another dynasty were to take over the English throne for example, and that person is also named Richard, then that would be Richard VI King of England then. It would always draw from that text file, no matter what dynasty was in charge.

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

Could create some sort of if/then statement in the code, and just use numerals for king/emperor titles only. Basically, it would just keep a list of..

ENGLAND
John I
John II
John III
Richard I
Richard II
Richard III
Richard IV
FRANCE
Richard I
Richard II
Richard III
Francis I
Francis II

and when your newly crowned person is Richard, and he holds the crowns of both England and France, it would go to the next roman numeral of Richard V for the English crown, and Richard IV for the French crown. Basically I imagine it being just a blank data sheet of it's own, could be titled 'numerals' or something.

As for displaying the names, it would display something like this..



Basically, I'm guessing it would have Kings/Emperors on it's own line, and push everything else below it, if.. we're only showing numerals for King/Emperor titles only. So ya, basically I guess it would just be a simple text file that is for kingdoms/empires only, and if another dynasty were to take over the French throne for example, and that person is also named Richard, then that would be Richard VI then. It would always draw from that text file, no matter what dynasty was in charge.

But what if his name is Jean who is king of England and France and before him there were two kings of England named John ? Is it then Jean I or Jean III ?