Werewolf XCIII: Defense of the Ancients

[Ciryandor]

After some digging through the standing orders and results, it turns out that my queries were a moot point. BADDIES WIN. You may now reveal yourselves.

GM Analysis: Game was too imbalanced in favor of baddies; whether because of line-up or because of bad breaks, I can't tell. Too much killing ability for them too, I realize, the choice of either hunter or brutal should have been enough. I'm working on the notebook so I can't give you the role/trait list and scan orders right now.

Sorry for hemming and hawing for a bit of time on this one. The Sorc had a standing order system and I had to use it to determine who he was scanning nightly.

 

[AVN]

After some digging through the standing orders and results, it turns out that my queries were a moot point. BADDIES WIN. You may now reveal yourselves.

GM Analysis: Game was too imbalanced in favor of baddies; whether because of line-up or because of bad breaks, I can't tell. Too much killing ability for them too, I realize, the choice of either hunter or brutal should have been enough. I'm working on the notebook so I can't give you the role/trait list and scan orders right now.

Sorry for hemming and hawing for a bit of time on this one. The Sorc had a standing order system and I had to use it to determine who he was scanning nightly.

I suppose we get a real update later (with a role trait list) ?

 

[Ciryandor]

I suppose we get a real update later (with a role trait list) ?

In the morning. It's 1:30 AM here and I'm freezing to death with a fever after getting rained upon for the last half-week. :wacko:

The ghosts may now commence on guessing who the five wolves, cultist and sorc are.

 

[AVN]

In the morning. It's 1:30 AM here and I'm freezing to death with a fever after getting rained upon for the last half-week. :wacko:

The ghosts may now commence on guessing who the five wolves, cultist and sorc are.

All belonging to the same pack ?

 

[Lord_D]

Let them just out themselves.

I'm a villager

EDIT: Seems I was correct in assuming they made an attempt at parity last night.

 

[AVN]

I'm the guardian angel and member of the JL which wasn't able to scan a baddie.

 

[Lord_D]

I'm the guardian angel and member of the JL which wasn't able to scan a baddie.

Then how did you meet up with the priest?

EDIT: Misread 'scan a baddie' for 'scan at all'.

Then who was the leader? Or was that a carefully placed lie

 

[johho888]

I'm a werewolf leader (and also the JL spokesperson for today o)

Then who was the leader? Or was that a carefully placed lie

That would be me.

 

[Ciryandor]

All belonging to the same pack ?

Yes. 4 original wolves, 1 cultist, 1 turn wolf. If sorc isn't in contact, then he doesn't count for the baddies (which explains my quandary earlier; turns out that his ping order tonight was for the Cultist. thus making him count towards parity)

6 of 21 baddies at the start. a bit above the 25% for a one-pack game. in fact it's nearer to the 33% of a two-pack game.

I suppose that explains the game enough until later.

 

[AVN]

Then how did you meet up with the priest?

EDIT: Misread 'scan a baddie' for 'scan at all'.

Then who was the leader? Or was that a carefully placed lie

The priest scanned me (possible in this game, please read the rules )

There was a leader involved. I took the risk of contacting him, but he cooperated so good that I considered him a member of the JL too.
(I'm sure he will tell more himself).

And we considered LS to be a goodie.

 

[sbr]

If sorc isn't in contact, then he doesn't count for the baddies (which explains my quandary earlier; turns out that his ping order tonight was for the Cultist. thus making him count towards parity)

I am curious what others think about this now. If the sorc hadn't found the cultist it would have been 6 baddies, 6 goodies and 1 sorc. The sorc doesn't count for parity before he makes contact, but as I said in my PM I don't think he should count as a goodie either. I think the baddies had parity even if the sorc doesn't find the cultist.

 

[AVN]

i am curious what others think about this now. If the sorc hadn't found the cultist it would have been 6 baddies, 6 goodies and 1 sorc. The sorc doesn't count for parity before he makes contact, but as i said in my pm i don't think he should count as a goodie either. I think the baddies had parity even if the sorc doesn't find the cultist.

+1

 

[Lord_D]

(possible in this game, please read the rules )

Hey I knew that That's why I edited.

I am curious what others think about this now. If the sorc hadn't found the cultist it would have been 6 baddies, 6 goodies and 1 sorc. The sorc doesn't count for parity before he makes contact, but as I said in my PM I don't think he should count as a goodie either. I think the baddies had parity even if the sorc doesn't find the cultist.

Not necessarily. There's 6 baddies who are connected and know eachother. They find themselves in a village with 13 people, and they know they can kill 2 players each. Since the sorcerer isn't guaranteed to be in the game they can't know if the 13th player will rise up and kill them all (through some magical means ) or join them.

 

[johho888]

I am curious what others think about this now. If the sorc hadn't found the cultist it would have been 6 baddies, 6 goodies and 1 sorc. The sorc doesn't count for parity before he makes contact, but as I said in my PM I don't think he should count as a goodie either. I think the baddies had parity even if the sorc doesn't find the cultist.

I the games I host the baddies don't need to be in contact to count for parity. I know some GMs require that but then they usually state that in the rules.

In case there is a requirement for contact to count for parity then I agree the lone sorcerer/cultists shouldn't count as goodies.

EDIT: Lord_D makes a good point. Maybe they should count as goodies because of parity really is about "raising up and overwhelming all opposition".

 

[johho888]

EDIT: Seems I was correct in assuming they made an attempt at parity last night.

Nope, that was just a backup plan that got out of hand. Our werewolf hunter was afraid he was going to get lynched that day and I promised to leadersave him if he used his hunter ability that night - so I could blame saving him on being contacted be a hunter. He didn't get lynched, I didn't have to save him but the shot got fired anyway.

 

[Lord_D]

After only one pack remains, all baddies (werewolves, all cultists, sorcerers, and sorc. apprentices) are counted towards parity.

So yeah, they had parity no matter what. And a reference to apprentices! There's more of them in other places, which is why I also sorta assumed they were in.

Nope, that was just a backup plan that got out of hand. Our werewolf hunter was afraid he was going to get lynched that day and I promised to leadersave him if he used his hunter ability that night - so I could blame saving him on being contacted be a hunter. He didn't get lynched, I didn't have to save him but the shot got fired anyway.

Well it would appear you still would have won. You had a potential strike at parity and didn't realise it. Shame on you!

 

[johho888]

Well it would appear you still would have won. You had a potential strike at parity and didn't realise it. Shame on you!

We were 99% sure there was no sorcerer. o I wonder who he was.

 

[Thistletooth]

The thistle of the zombi wants to know which it drove out and why. Appears like waste, seen it was at the same time non-même round.

The thistle of the zombi wants to point out all that it once again indeed was. The thistle of the zombi appeared always well jusqu' otherwise.

 

[AVN]

My guess for the other wolves/cultist :
Slinky, White Daimon, Steed, EUROO7, (jensthemens or humancalculator)

Sorcerer : jerard

Probably I'm completely wrong.

 

[Lord_D]

My guess for the other wolves/cultist :
Slinky, White Daimon, Steed, EUROO7, (jensthemens or humancalculator)

Sorcerer : jerard

Probably I'm completely wrong.

Seeing as johho already admitted be being a wolf.

Yes you are.

But I'm pretty sure EUROO7 is a part as well. How else could he still be a live?