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NexusSix

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There are so many things going around about add xxx feature or wouldnt it be cool if we could do xxxx

My main hope for CKII is the idea to actually get the formula right.

My main and actual play stopping anoyances with CK1 which I hope will be changed for CK2 are the following. Im sure they have been mentioned within a context already or an idea but I just wanted to ( yes create a new thread *sigh* ) ensure that things that I, and im sure others feel essential are not lost by the developers.

Im King I control my court, I want to execute xxx courtier because I want to, because I can , and because im spitefull no other reason. I should be able to throw them in a dungeon and laugh, not have to click F12 "die" or pay my spy master 500 gold to fail when I could just do it my god damn self "if" this was real life and I was king of the whole of Europe !

In CK 1 events which would remove a courtier only to have them return the next month like nothing happened. If they were so angry and want to come back they should grovel, i just put France to the sword, yet my little brat cousin can come and go as he pleases and place demands on ME !?!?!?

A court member with a claim or beef disapearing into the nether of some small kingdom with the AI not even picking up on the fact this could start a huge war even though the guy in question is the second in line to half the map !!! Like we need the upper hand on Scotland, lets ignore the heir to thier thrown sitting in our kingdom bonking our eldest daugter and just business as usual , ops he died 30 years later :( shame... Oh snap its the English... ive just lost all my lands when I coulda been king of Scotland... *shrugs*

Child mortality. In CK i call it child spam, they didnt have the NHS so why is child / teenage mortality not lower. Its one thing to have 10 kids but its a miracle for them all to survive to adult hood which is a common occurance.

Permission to enter my court. I dont like how i look at my court, check 3 months later and see Sir Duchebag of Duchingham and his 50 daugters and fat wife snuck in through the back door without letting me know ?! Now they are demanding jobs and child spamming and falling out with my kids.
worse still in my current save.....
My father spent his whole life fighting Muslims so in his dying breath its obvious he lets the Shiek of Whereeveraba and his 50 sons and ugly wife have a nice little house in the centre of Prague.

For some of these people will say , well edit the files , F12 die.
My thing is I do not like changing the game or the flow of things, I like the random events but not so random they are just daft. I need and want to be able to control the things in game not be a 75 % bystander when the only person more powerfull than me is the Pope and that clock is even ticking.

I think its great to think about all the things CK2 needs to include or evolve, but first I think CK2 needs to nail the absaloute basics which spoilt CK1.
 
Im King I control my court, I want to execute xxx courtier because I want to, because I can , and because im spitefull no other reason. I should be able to throw them in a dungeon and laugh, not have to click F12 "die" or pay my spy master 500 gold to fail when I could just do it my god damn self "if" this was real life and I was king of the whole of Europe !

Kings who acted like this usually didn't last very long. So if you are able to do this, then the likelyhood of getting a 'hunting accident' should increase dramatically.
 
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Id disagree with that, Henry VIII , Queen Elisibeth.

Thats 2 English rulers without even going near the likes of Vlad Tepes.


Although I agree totally with repecusions regarding killing off a popular noble from either within or neighbouring countries.
Infact bring them on in some cases !
 
So basically you'd like to remove historical limitations and replace them with a model of an absolute ruler that probably never existed in the time period?
 
Id disagree with that, Henry VIII , Queen Elisibeth.

Thats 2 English rulers without even going near the likes of Vlad Tepes.


Although I agree totally with repecusions regarding killing off a popular noble from either within or neighbouring countries.
Infact bring them on in some cases !

first no, no king in the middles ages could get away with killing off his courtiers willy-nilly, the middle ages were highly civilised and lawful, different laws than we have to today, but still alot of laws with strict penalties for breaking them.

thats why the few kings who killed off their courtiers are remembered, it caused europe wide scandals

And your example? The two English monarchs who had the least ability to do anything like that, the two puppets of Cecil and both very late after the degeneration and collapse of common law and well into the modern age and so no relevance to the game.
you might as well site Louis XIV or hey, Napoleon, as they have as much relevance.

Killing off your courtiers, who by them being your courtiers means you have promised to protect and sealed a contract to guarantee their safety and rights in return to their oaths to duty to you.
Not just a bloody murderer, but an Oathbreaker! thats athousand times worse. Especially in fuedalism!, a system where loyalty and Duty are at the foundation of social structure and law.
any king who does that in CKII should find himself firmly on the road to assassination, rebellion and excommunication.
you do that and its not just the characters who out of the game, but his whole family's been damned by that action too.
 
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Killing off your courtiers, who by them being your courtiers means you have promised to protect and sealed a contract to guarantee their safety and rights in return to their oaths to duty to you.
Not just a bloody murderer, but an Oathbreaker! thats athousand times worse. Especially in fuedalism!, a system where loyalty and Duty are at the foundation of social structure and law.
any king who does that in CKII should find himself firmly on the road to assassination, rebellion and excommunication.
you do that and its not just the characters who out of the game, but his whole family's been damned by that action too.


Thats just my point Professor, At what point did the game ask me or inform me that Sir Whoareyou and his 50 sons and ugly wife just asked permission to be a part of my court ?!?
I should be able to do as i please.
Ie : Kill them , Behead them ( especially if its a family member who has crossed me or a enemy's courtier )
At the very least i should be able to permanently exile them from my lands, ie : They dont come back after 3 months or return to me if they dont get offered the Marshall job with thier epic stat of 5.
 
then the solution is, NO random courtiers unless there is a need and a choice and better courtier immigration mechanics for displaced courtiers
not wholesale murder
 
Why not just ask a courtier to leave your court? You don't have to exile them, or kill them, instead they would just retire to the country side (aka leave the game) at that point.
 
Why not just ask a courtier to leave your court? You don't have to exile them, or kill them, instead they would just retire to the country side (aka leave the game) at that point.

Or put them to work on your estates or send them off on a diplomatic or trading mission. I like your thinking.
 
............. OR just kill them :D

No, because the large majority of rulers didn't kill their courtiers, the few who did that were crazy people.

If your problem is that you have unwanted courtiers, then there are much better solutions to this problem then just allowing you to kill them.
 
Well, IMO you should be able to execute them directly but in turn suffer a major loyalty/prestige loss among vassals and courtiers. Always nice to leave doors open.
 
No, because the large majority of rulers didn't kill their courtiers, the few who did that were crazy people.

If your problem is that you have unwanted courtiers, then there are much better solutions to this problem then just allowing you to kill them.


That last one was a joke.

Yes my problem is unwanted courtiers and perhaps controversially my unwillingness to use F12 "die"
 
That last one was a joke.

Yes my problem is unwanted courtiers and perhaps controversially my unwillingness to use F12 "die"

I suppose if they had a button that just excuses them from court, it wouldn't be so bad. But if you are a King a lot of courtiers are coming out of the woodwork like a bunch of cockroaches then it could turn into a game of whack-a-mole. :eek:

They could have a court slider, slide it all the way to the left and not many courtiers come, slide it all the way to the right, and they all come. It's sort of like a "how far is the door open" type of policy concerning courtiers.
 
No, because the large majority of rulers didn't kill their courtiers, the few who did that were crazy people.

If your problem is that you have unwanted courtiers, then there are much better solutions to this problem then just allowing you to kill them.
I'd like a possibility to ban someone from the court or to make some unwanted coutier to go into a monastery. That are more "likely" things to happen than a king slaughtering unwanted people.

And I definatelly did not like the fact that I adopted the whole court of every annexed muslim province. My CK1-court looked like a 'harem'(?) in the late-game. Give the player control over who is allowed to join the court.
 
And I definatelly did not like the fact that I adopted the whole court of every annexed muslim province. My CK1-court looked like a 'harem'(?) in the late-game. Give the player control over who is allowed to join the court.

Perhaps there can be a simple checkbox selection, you can do it based on cultures, and not include other cultures.

[ - ] All Cultures
[ x ] Frankish Culture
[ x ] Welsh Culture
[ x ] etc etc
 
Maybe a checkbox or maybe a prompt on each request, if your a baron perhaps the King could ask to over rule you ?!
or your going against them makes the king angry ( No... No ... I dont want your bastard son in my court )

For me people comming to my court in CK1 has potentially ruined the game for me , as Im left thinking "Why the hell did my ruler allow this ???"

2 examples of this were playing as the Arpard family from 1066 ( lazlo to be precice ) I was happy holding the former muslim areas above byzantium and a good chunk of lower Hungary until I had the former ruler of a now conquered Jerusalem enter my court. Its like, ive spent the last 10 years fighting Muslims why the hell has this plum turned up ??

or

Im playing a kinda "last Viking" campaign , having taken Scotland and refusing to breed with anything not Norse or associating with anything not norse about 5 French and German families show up in my court. Its like, my Ruler woulda eaten them much less allowed them to live here ?!?
 
So, my wife has an affair with a courtier. This is a sin. A terrible sin, and if I put him to the sword the pope is probably going to applaud me.

However, the OP does not take into account this "lawbreaker" status, i.e. the game should seperate courtiers the ruler has reason to execute from those he doesn't.
 
Maybe a checkbox or maybe a prompt on each request, if your a baron perhaps the King could ask to over rule you ?!
or your going against them makes the king angry ( No... No ... I dont want your bastard son in my court )

For me people comming to my court in CK1 has potentially ruined the game for me , as Im left thinking "Why the hell did my ruler allow this ???"

2 examples of this were playing as the Arpard family from 1066 ( lazlo to be precice ) I was happy holding the former muslim areas above byzantium and a good chunk of lower Hungary until I had the former ruler of a now conquered Jerusalem enter my court. Its like, ive spent the last 10 years fighting Muslims why the hell has this plum turned up ??

or

Im playing a kinda "last Viking" campaign , having taken Scotland and refusing to breed with anything not Norse or associating with anything not norse about 5 French and German families show up in my court. Its like, my Ruler woulda eaten them much less allowed them to live here ?!?

I have wondered what determines where "refugee" nobles from confiscated provinces go. In my current game as Castile, I have taken in a lot of Arabs and Berbers who have over time converted to Catholicism. A few have become bishops and even popes. Somehow I also took in the first decade going in a Hungarian family called Poth who have served the Emperor of the Spains (me) as bishops and marshals for over five generations. ;) But at some point it would be interesting if my Hungarian marshal would ask for me to attack Venice to recover his patrimony. Maybe in CK2.