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A new candidate. With some good reasoning behind it, too. Hmn.
Unvote walrus
Vote marty99
edit: This is assuming the deadline has been moved, btw.
O rly
It seems either redundant or precious, and I'm not sure which.
Am I bothered?
This is werewolf, not a popularity contest or a finishing school. This way of playing has worked for 4 years, and I can't see that changing.
So if I push to lynch you, I'll get revengehanged? Unless you are the seer, that is highly unlikely. As for hanging you, it has clearly escaped your notice that it's hdk I think the more likely wolf - although you are more amusing to debate with.
It doesn't mean you are a villager either.
TT-approved vote count with sum'm like five hours remaining
walrus (3)...Lordy, hdk, Cuthy
hdk (3)...Losty, jonti, marty
randy (2)...walrus, Kaet
marty (2)...TT, randy
Cuthy...yoenit
Kaet...Strange
No votes: Euro
walrus (3)...Lordy, hdk, Cuthy
hdk (3)...Losty, jonti, marty
randy (2)...walrus, Kaet
marty (2)...TT, randy
Cuthy...yoenit
Kaet...Strange
No votes: Euro
What's your definition of bandwagon? Every single time I've voted it has been specifically to make the vote closer, in fact to counteract the bandwagoning done by other people, what do you find suspicious in that?
Definitely precious
jonti-h said:
Actually, popularity helps a long way towards winning this game. And that's not just my opinion, it's a researched fact.
jonti-h said:
I doubt it, but that's not what I'm saying anyway. You're putting words in my mouth.
jonti-h said:
I'm not.
jonti-h said:
You name the two of us in one breath. But fine.
jonti-h said:It doesn't mean you are a villager either.
I am.
I see you're not saying what makes me suspicious or how exactly I was bandwagoning, TT, but you're still keeping your vote on me. I'd like a bit more elaboration please.
That's what you appeared to be saying. What did you mean when you said it?
I was posting in the history forums. Relax.
I don't find the repeated creation of ties to be good village behavior. The only one of your votes that you explained at all was the vote with which you tied me with jonti. Your votes for Kaet and hdk were silent.
Definitely precious
I didn't like to say...
I must just be so lovable then
What did you mean then? That you would get your packmates to hunt me?
Before I say anything, let me just clear up that the bit in bold is patently untrue.
Anyway, for starters the vote on Kaetje was not a bandwagon in any sense of the word and it was the first of my votes - moreover on the first day - so I don't think it required any explanation, and if it does I admit I have none.
The vote for the-hdk I thought self-explanatory, I wanted to keep it close between him and Walrus and anyway I found the-hdk more likely a wolf than Walrus*. That and the fact that the person I was previously voting for (you) had only one vote, and so it would be unlikely to be useful to the game if I kept it on you, I mean TT is not going to be run up twice on the same day without a good reason.
*I didn't mention this in the thread I know, but I have pm's to back it up if you need them.
I would still like you to define bandwagon, you seem to have it mean ''voting someone who has already one or more votes'' in which case I suppose have been, but OTOH it doesn't necessarily mean someone bandwagoning is wolfish behaviour.
Personally I would say a bandwagon is ''a series of votes on a player, that happen in relatively quick succession and are punctuated by disproportionately smaller votes on all other players'' and any one who partakes in such activities bandwagons.
But I don't think I done that, when I voted you it had been some time since the last vote on you, and you had no momentum at all, what's more the vote did not tie you with jonti, after it you still had less votes, therefore I don't consider that vote a bandwagon, at least not suspicious behaviour.
If by not good villager behaviour you mean wolfish behaviour, then I must have to ask you to explain why.
It might not be inherently goodie (although I think generally you can't go far wrong if you deliberately keep a close vote, although it may not be the best policy in every scenario), but I really don't see why it's suspicious, and don't say TIE's are bad as you know none of the TIE's I created had any chance of standing at the deadline.
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PMs? Already? You are a busy boy.
Sure, send 'em on over. Or post 'em in the thread. I'd like to see 'em.
By itself, I wouldn't call your vote for Kaet a bandwagon. But combined with your other votes (second vote on Kaet, third on TT, third on hdk, without a stated reason), it suggests that you're just following other people around.
I have re-checked my records, and you are correct.
If I had meant wolfish, I would have said wolfish. I just said not good villager.
I think it merits being toss into the fray, that's all. You like following others, so you can follow them into the field of the bandwagonned.
PM's? I told myself I should never be the third voter, but you just skyrocketed on my suspicious list. As has been asked before, lets produce said PM's. For now I am including you in the tie
Unvote Cuthy Vote Marty
I'd rather not just yet, if I need to save my ass I will but for the moment I think it unwise to do so.
My vote was only the second on Kaetje, significantly long after the first one, like I said previously you seem to be defining bandwagoning as voting for someone who already has a vote then, if you look at any games I played I never make throwaway votes, therefore I either vote early and create a decent chance of other people following me, or else vote someone who has already got a vote if I enter the voting late.
If you define bandwagon like that everyone who votes must either have joined a bandwagon or made a useless throwaway vote, it's kinda hard to argue if you continue to use that definition.
If you were to follow your logic consistently, then the most pure villagerish voting pattern today would be a 12-way TIE, as anyone with more than one vote is a bandwagon. Anything short of that is hypocrisy, my friend.
Then I don't see how it relates to my question, which was asking what you thought was wolfish about my behaviour.
I think it merits being toss into the fray, that's all. You like following others, so you can follow them into the field of the bandwagonned.
[/QUOTE]I don't fully understand the last sentence (EDIT: I do now, how hypocritical of you I must say
), however I resent the accusation that I always follow others, if you would read what I said above it's just that I believe that voting for someone who had a chance of being lynched is beneficial as it would create something to actually analyse.Another thing that reeks of hypocrisy is Randakar voting me now, saying it's a good case, if I am not very much mistaken the same Randakar endorsed my vote on you earlier, and actually followed it with a vote identical in purpose.
*raises eyebrow*
That's odd. Offer PMs to defend yourself, and then say you won't share them unless you're in greater danger. What's my motivation now?
Again. Putting the second vote on someone isn't bandwagoning. But you voted three times, each time for someone else's candidate. Now, maybe you do that as a general strategy (I don't know how you play), but you're not representing very well my argument for voting for you, you're just picking one element of it and pretending that was my whole point. And then carrying that to reductio ad absurdum, which is always nice.
And I'm saying I never called it wolfish, I called it not good villager.
Already noticed and noted.
Marty was planning on voting on the_hdk before there where any votes on him, he didn't want to do it too early though. He told me this in PM. Don't ask me why he told me. Maybe because I was the first to say the_hdk was either useless or a wolf.
Anyways, his vote on the_hdk was planned way before it would be counted as bandwagonning. He was actually planning to get people to vote on him, but before he got around to it there where already people voting on the_hdk.
As for Marty's wolfishness, don't ask me. Just trying to give you guys the facts.
As far as my suspicions go, I'm quite tempted to just go back to voting on TT since he wanted to torch me. Cause in all seriousness, you all look equally suspicious to me at this point, so I might as well pick a silly reason to vote.
Anyways, his vote on the_hdk was planned way before it would be counted as bandwagonning. He was actually planning to get people to vote on him, but before he got around to it there where already people voting on the_hdk.
As for Marty's wolfishness, don't ask me. Just trying to give you guys the facts.
As far as my suspicions go, I'm quite tempted to just go back to voting on TT since he wanted to torch me. Cause in all seriousness, you all look equally suspicious to me at this point, so I might as well pick a silly reason to vote.
Maybe you could share the PMs, then?
The first day has already been so active that you couldn't help but vote for someone who looks genuinely suspicious for non-RP reasons.
Until marty brought up the PMs, I had been considering leaping back to hdk myself, but now everyone's doing it. I don't wanna be one of the cool kids.
You're lynching a villager if I die. I know it's not much of a consequence in your book, but if you're a villager it does have repercussions.
Of course if you're a wolf you don't care
marty99 said:
Unvote marty99
Sorry mate, I just didn't quite understand thistle's definition of bandwagon the way he meant it. And I have a bad memory - up to the point where I believed him where he said that, intending to go back to check later.
I'll be back before the deadline to reconsider all this.