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Has anyone discovered the advantage yet of dismissing the Old Guard generals?

I have yet to play past 1939 as Germany (1933 scenario), and am reluctant to let a few dozen of my generals go unless there is some real benefit in doing so.
 
The old guard-trait slows down the accumulation of experience significantly for both the leaders themselves and the units they control. That's why many people don't like OG leaders...
 
So then there is no real benefit to dismissing Old Guard generals? It is only an aesthetic "housecleaning" so to speak?

The wording of the event makes it sound as though there will be a benefit down the road, like perhaps an influx of new, better, and more innovative leaders. If this will happen regardless of purging the ranks of the Old Guard, why do it? If nothing else, use the Old Guard generals to man the HQ units (afaik there is no conference of traits passed from the HQ leader to proximal troops like there is in HoI3 - or am I mistaking?)
 
Why have a skill 1 old guard at the HQ when having a skill 4 general with a trait or two?
+ AFAIK if you have auto-promote on, which you should in order to get promotions without skill loss, there's what happens:
Every 3 new units you deploy, you get a new Lt.General,
every...12? (not sure) a new General,
and every 24 a FM. So if you purge some 5 old guard skill 0-2 Generals there will be a lot of space to your skill 4-5 mj. Generals to get promoted... So as to have Manstein, Guderian, or Konev, Rokossovsky as FM sooner!
 
piratefish said:
So then there is no real benefit to dismissing Old Guard generals? It is only an aesthetic "housecleaning" so to speak?QUOTE]

The 'benefit' comes from autopromotion - you have a set ratio of leaders (by rank) linked to total number of units. Dismissing the Old Guard means the others move up the promotion ladder much quicker.
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Do you guys really use auto-promote? I never do so because u get XP so fast when commanding one unit only. For instance, Japan, 1934, after conquering Australia and New Zealand, I could promote manually Yamashita to field marshall lvl7 (something else to be fixed by the way, generals earn way too much XP and traits)...
 
Well it was the case in all HoI games, so unless IC changed it, it is still the case.

A field marshall earns experience very slowly, a general a bit faster, so on and so forth. True for land, air and naval leaders. Sounds quite realistic in fact.
 
I don't use auto-promote too. I always like managing my armies, renaming divisons, armies and choosing the best commanders for them.
 
aha, so you want Yamashita as a skill 8 Mj General until 1941...and then you can have "Autopromote on" for a week. Will your Yamashita suddenly have beacome a skill 8 FM?
 
It took me a war against Australia and New Zealand, finished by mid 34 to get him as a Major General skill 9 or 10, then u promote him MANUALLY, why would it take one week? why 41? And every time you promote of one rank, you loose one level of skills.
By the way, my belligerence went havoc after those wars (now I'm at about 360)... wow!

EDIT: @ Turul, Yeah it is part of the game that I enjoy too, preparation before war. In some mods it is not advisable to change the name of the divisions if they are subjected to some events. I am thinking of C.O.R.E. but then they explicitly mention it. Armies no problem though.
 
Kelben said:
It took me a war against Australia and New Zealand, finished by mid 34 to get him as a Major General skill 9 or 10, then u promote him MANUALLY, why would it take one week? why 41? And every time you promote of one rank, you loose one level of skills.
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That's the meaning of Autopromote. You don't loose skill. So:
Autopromote off = Yamashita skill 9 MJ. General --> Yamashita skill 8 Lt. General --> Yamashita skill 7 General --> Yamashita skill 6 FM.
Autopromote on= Yamashita skill 9 MJ. General --> Yamashita skill 9 LT. General --> Yamashita skill 9 General --> Yamashita skill 9 FM.
Will this be a + 15% bonus at least?
 
Rocket88 said:
The 'benefit' comes from autopromotion - you have a set ratio of leaders (by rank) linked to total number of units. Dismissing the Old Guard means the others move up the promotion ladder much quicker.
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Ahhh...this I did not know. I guess I should have actually read the manual cover to cover so I could pick up on important tidbits like this. My personality is too impatient, though. I am much more of a "hands on" learner. And this is what sometimes happens...

Thanks for the knowledge...
 
I normally start the game with auto promotion off. Then I build my army, try to get a position for all the high skill/traits leaders and when the war starts I turn the auto promotion on. Reason: the auto promotion tries to promote the active leaders first. Or at least it used to work that way.
 
Conanteacher said:
D'oh!!! There go my arguments... Next game I will micromanage my leaders! Only my favorites and some distinguished will be promoted! :D
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Finally. You don't know what you are loosing man:p German admiral Assman is a good guy:D
 
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