IC concentration and Infra

[unmerged(157031)]

I'm trying to work out which will give me the most IC for the least IC cost. My options are:

1- Have a single series run of factories running in Berlin at triple speed, resulting in 10 factories being built before '39. The result would be 20IC in Berlin alone, increased further by the concentration modifier, as well as the infra bonus in the province at any given time. The cost for this is 19.5IC, which is very expensive. I could, potentially, leave this running only until I begin to rearm, resulting in less IC but also a lower cost in IC days. I could also open up another series run in another highly industrialised province for a shorter period of time whenever 20 IC becomes available.

2- Have 3 series runs of factories in 3 different provinces at normal speed, resulting in 18 factories being built before '39. The reult would be 16 IC in Berlin, 14 IC in Stuttgart and 14 IC in Opplen, each increased further by a lower concentration modifier, as well as the infra modifier in each province at any given time. This would also cost 19.5IC with an additional cost of 3IC for the extra infra series runs, but like the first option, another 3 could be opened for a shorter period of time with every 20IC that becomes avaiable.

Because one can build far more IC in the same time frame for the same cost with the second option, the question of which I should choose looks obvious. This, however, may not be the case. It all depends on two things; the concentration modifier and the worth of infrastructure.

With the second option, I would have to spend 4.5IC on constructing infrastructure, some of which would not be finished befre '39. With the first option I would only have to spend 1.5, which would be finished in 1940. With the first option, the IC would be more concentrated, and thus the bonus would be higher. The total infra bonus would also be finished, as more of it would be finished before '39. This is where the real question comes in: Does the concentration modifier, coupled with the lower infra cost and higher infra modifier make the first option more viable in terms of IC days, or does the direct increase of 18IC make the second option outweigh the first option despite the extra IC bonuses it recieves?

 

[Turul]

In one of my games, I started to produce infrastructure in ALL german provinces where there is any kind of industry of resources. It's not good. Don't do it

 

[tigeriii]

Well I tend to agree with Turul overall, however, playing Germany I prefer to be self sufficient in my resources because when war breaks out I have seen Energy take a hit harder then other resources when you start producing more and more weapons for war.

I have always had a balance of industry/infra with Germany, maybe its not the right approach, but if you play with full IC take over (which I did on a few Germany games just to see total amount I could get, hehe) then building IC is prior to war is not so important IMHO. I tend to build infra in high resource provinces even after I take provinces from other countries as I prefer to have it on hand and also allow for better supply depending on my situation at hand.

I have also ran with building about 5 or 6 industries in Berlin and maybe a few others scattered throughout the eastern part of Germany in either 1s or 2s at most. I know for sure that infra does not relate well in IC as it did in AoD when infra is king over building industries. If you build 5 or 6 infra, you might get 1 IC for it thats all and that kind of sucks, but then again resources do go up but once again nothing like AoD style.

I remember a game in AoD 1.04 and I wanted to see how much oil could be squeezed out of Baku after Germany took it. Built province up to 200% and I think it was putting out 300 oil or more! Insane! In IC+AoD that value will max at 39 I think, so its a huge huge difference.

Overall IC seems to be more based on finite resources and costs of factories are higher too, so its much harder to build and take off like you could in AoD, but then again USA builds like mad once it is at war, but runs out of either money or manpower if not careful. Lot more management in IC to maintain, is this good or bad, I think both depending on country you play, can be fun to see a plan blossum but also that plan go up in smoke due to events and battles.

Overall I like the new style, playing Japan is really tough, currently started new game and China is pretty hard now, still not done and its been a year and half now, plus Communist China is a really hard nut to crack and defeat, when you try to assault them with all those forts. Man I had like 5 white peace offerings denied them all until all of a sudden I see 37 units in capital and I had to take the next offer, sigh.

So in the end its Industry > Infrastructure in IC atm.

 

[unmerged(157031)]

Well I tend to agree with Turul overall, however, playing Germany I prefer to be self sufficient in my resources because when war breaks out I have seen Energy take a hit harder then other resources when you start producing more and more weapons for war.

I have always had a balance of industry/infra with Germany, maybe its not the right approach, but if you play with full IC take over (which I did on a few Germany games just to see total amount I could get, hehe) then building IC is prior to war is not so important IMHO. I tend to build infra in high resource provinces even after I take provinces from other countries as I prefer to have it on hand and also allow for better supply depending on my situation at hand.

I have also ran with building about 5 or 6 industries in Berlin and maybe a few others scattered throughout the eastern part of Germany in either 1s or 2s at most. I know for sure that infra does not relate well in IC as it did in AoD when infra is king over building industries. If you build 5 or 6 infra, you might get 1 IC for it thats all and that kind of sucks, but then again resources do go up but once again nothing like AoD style.

I remember a game in AoD 1.04 and I wanted to see how much oil could be squeezed out of Baku after Germany took it. Built province up to 200% and I think it was putting out 300 oil or more! Insane! In IC+AoD that value will max at 39 I think, so its a huge huge difference.

Overall IC seems to be more based on finite resources and costs of factories are higher too, so its much harder to build and take off like you could in AoD, but then again USA builds like mad once it is at war, but runs out of either money or manpower if not careful. Lot more management in IC to maintain, is this good or bad, I think both depending on country you play, can be fun to see a plan blossum but also that plan go up in smoke due to events and battles.

So in the end its Industry > Infrastructure in IC atm.

Aye, Infra has been nerfed somewhat, but it is still just as important to get the ESE up. ESE seems to take a much larger hit the frther away from the capital you go, so you still need to bild it wherever possible. That doesn't really answer my qestion though... I still don't know how powerful the IC concentration modifier is in terms of boosting IC, and whether or not it will make it more viable to build in one province at triple speed, or three provinces at normal speed.

 

[polkad]

I dont Understand. If you build Infras, the resources are growing up with them?

 

[Turul]

Yes, resources and industrial capacity goes up.

 

[tigeriii]

Yes, resources and industrial capacity goes up.

I will agree with resources going up, however as far as industry going up, not much at all. It takes about 6 or more infrastructure builds to get 1 industry, but thats just my observation. It does not go up like it does in vanilla AoD, nor do the resources go up as fast/as much either.

I build the infra going into Russia as Germany and then its only a path to the Southern part of Russia primarily where their is good resources and some industry and bigger provinces to make my ESE a little better.

 

[Java of Flanders]

I dont Understand. If you build Infras, the resources are growing up with them?

That is only in AoD and not in Arma I think.