is it possible for monarchs to have regal numbers? ie. Richard I, Richard II, Richard III, Richard IV etc? or will it just be their usual peasant issue names like Richard Longpants?
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Why? Numbering only occurred after the death of a ruler. I don't even think it was an issue back in the medieval period as I've never seen a regnal number in a period charter either, just "'such and such' the regretted father of 'so and so' in whose name a donation was made to 'whichever' monastery...
Even if, at this time, they gave those number only at the death of the king, what i didn't know, I would like to have them, simply to track more effectively my royal family. Also, a family tree is a must to doing that. But about the number, when doing an AAR or simply a review of our game, it would be great to know who is who.
Only thing that needs to be included is the ability to change character names.
If we get that regal numbers would be easily added if you wanted to
If we get that regal numbers would be easily added if you wanted to
I agree 100%. It would make it much more easier, especially if you have King John, another King John, and yet another King John during your campaign. I'm hoping it would be automated, so you don't have to manually insert the roman numerals each time a child is born who shares the same name as a previous monarch in the royal line. Also, if you've been playing for a couple hundred to a few hundred years, you don't have to check to see how many King's were named "Richard" in your kingdom and then add the numerals manually that way either.
Shouldn't this be listed by kingdom (including dynasty)? Really successful rulers could end up ruling more than one kingdom, it could be king William IV in one kingdom and king William VII in the other kingdom.
The main problem i see with these regal numbering is if computer uses some names too often.
You could easily get John XXXVIII and such if you're (un)lucky.
Plus would it make sense that every king,duke and count get numeral. It wouldn't be practical to have each and every nobleman in 1399 with bunch of roman numerals behind their name.
But giving nicknames based on some factor to a ruler, now that is something I would like to see
You could easily get John XXXVIII and such if you're (un)lucky.
Plus would it make sense that every king,duke and count get numeral. It wouldn't be practical to have each and every nobleman in 1399 with bunch of roman numerals behind their name.
But giving nicknames based on some factor to a ruler, now that is something I would like to see
The main problem i see with these regal numbering is if computer uses some names too often.
You could easily get John XXXVIII and such if you're (un)lucky.
Plus would it make sense that every king,duke and count get numeral. It wouldn't be practical to have each and every nobleman in 1399 with bunch of roman numerals behind their name.
But giving nicknames based on some factor to a ruler, now that is something I would like to see
Regarding the names I tend to disagree, certain names were common in certain noble and royal families and/ or were common names for rulers of certain territories. In my opinion certain names should be more common, sometimes you see total random (not even family history), which can also be unlucky, for example king Mauger of England.
Numbering rulers could be done for each tier above the level of baron. Besides even nicknames have a limitation, you could easily end up with more than one Philip the Bold in the line of rulers (which may or may not be of the same dynasty) by 1399
; so even combinations of names and nicknames need to be tracked and an alternative nickname should be used instead.
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Yes, a nickname is a good idea, after one or other action, but if we cannot link the regal numbers to the person in itself, we could link it to the county, duchy and kingdom associated. For example, you could have a Carlos V, which is emperor of Holy Roman Empire, but also Carlos I king of Spain, Carlos IV of Sicily and Carlos II duke of Brabant. The final name would be the actual highest rank of the king (linked at the limit to the power of the country in itself, if he share two kingdom).
In that case, that would be typed like that : When you click on the screen to view the spanish kingdom, you could have the name Carlos I (V). The number in parenthesis would simply be the highest rank, the other his number in the current screen. In Brabant, you would have Carlos II (V). They should also keep the old place where you could view all his possession by importance order. The solution I give you could also be inversed, you could have the highest rank at first and the rank in the screen in parenthesis.
It's not really a problem, to me, to have a king named Louis LXXXIII, but it would mean that the longevity in this place was not really high...
In that case, that would be typed like that : When you click on the screen to view the spanish kingdom, you could have the name Carlos I (V). The number in parenthesis would simply be the highest rank, the other his number in the current screen. In Brabant, you would have Carlos II (V). They should also keep the old place where you could view all his possession by importance order. The solution I give you could also be inversed, you could have the highest rank at first and the rank in the screen in parenthesis.
It's not really a problem, to me, to have a king named Louis LXXXIII, but it would mean that the longevity in this place was not really high...
I agree, but I think that you mean Karl (or Karel) V of the Holy Roman Empire, Carlos I of the Spanish kingdoms, Carlo IV of Sicily (Naples) (but Carlo I of Sicily (Trinacria)) and duke Karel II of Brabant
oh and don't forget duke Charles II of Burgundy.More important is the fact, that I like your solution.
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IRL history books most of rulers ended up with Roman Numerals. The Lords of Coucy, and Viscounts of Carcassone, for example. That's pretty much what most people want for CK.The main problem i see with these regal numbering is if computer uses some names too often.
You could easily get John XXXVIII and such if you're (un)lucky.
Plus would it make sense that every king,duke and count get numeral. It wouldn't be practical to have each and every nobleman in 1399 with bunch of roman numerals behind their name.
But giving nicknames based on some factor to a ruler, now that is something I would like to see
If it's done that way John the 38th is extremely unlikely. For one thing very few countries will have 38 rulers during the CK era. For another the problem with CK name-lists is they're too random.
As for using multiple numerals, that would only make sense for King-titles because those are the only titles that remain legally separate after the same guy inherits them in CK2's world. Besides if you kept track of them for every County it would be very easy for a single ruler to have a half-dozen different ones after his name.
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As a tangent on this thread, what about ecclesiastical names (i.e., for the Pope and eastern Patriarchs, or in some places prince-bishoprics)? In 1066, we start with Gregory VII. What this would require to do properly is a list of popes going back to Peter, then allow the papal controller or the pope-elect to choose his new regnal name.
a nick might be fine....but regal numbers for Kings and Popes are a must
thats one of the things I miss the most in CK1
thats one of the things I miss the most in CK1
a nick might be fine....but regal numbers for Kings and Popes are a must
thats one of the things I miss the most in CK1
I did a bit of savegame editing in a few of my games to keep track of things, so this I would love. I also wonder if there will be a <change_name> function for decisions and events?
I second the idea but I can see a potential issue:
are the numbers tied to the title or to the family?
If they are tied to the family, parallel branches may lead to having 3 or 4 "John VI".
If they re tied to titles, it would be possible (i.e. hard to code/confusing/go guess) to have someone like the historical Charles V of Spain, which was 5th for the HRE, but only 1st for the Crown of Spain...
are the numbers tied to the title or to the family?
If they are tied to the family, parallel branches may lead to having 3 or 4 "John VI".
If they re tied to titles, it would be possible (i.e. hard to code/confusing/go guess) to have someone like the historical Charles V of Spain, which was 5th for the HRE, but only 1st for the Crown of Spain...
I believe they would be tied to the title, and not the dynasty. For example, a kingdom has Henry I and Henry II from one dynasty, but then another dynasty takes over the kingdom and that dynasty's ruler (who is also named Henry) becomes Henry III.
Then it would have to be possible to tie the title with a culture, as the examples cited above suggest. So Carlos, Carlo, Karl, and Karel could be the same person, under different titles. Or to be closer to the historical, many realms could use Latin, Greek, or Arabic regal names (Latin: the Papacy, the Holy Roman Empire; but also it was the language of record for most Western Christian monarchies, up to the sixteenth century IIRC).