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White Daimon had only two minutes to vote yesterday, so he couldn't have done anything else (apart from make a tie) than make a throwaway vote. Also, he argued for a massive vote switch to the_hdk day 5 or so so he is an unlikely Dutch wolf. And did we really have such a good discussion?

I disagree. 2 minutes before the deadline is major when you at it. He could have throw his vote on Reis to make it harder to snipe. He could have voted on Torn and tied it, he could have voted on AOK and tried to pull someone onto him, and it could happen.

He threw that vote away on someone, and could only have done worse if he threw it away on TNT.
 
I was just thinking I was going to vote marty today because he usually is more straight forward in his analysis and wants to lynch people when he is a goodie and up until now I felt he mostly "posed" as an analyzer. But now he seems to be back to his normal self. :)
Well I think I still am ''posing'' in a way. I certainly haven't went all out to lynch someone yet, except maybe the_hdk on a couple of times. I have defended a lot of people though, about half the players still alive (probably more than there are goodies left in the game...) and that's generally a hallmark of my villager play. But that's because of the unique nature of this game, all of the baddies that have died in this game have been through hunts or JL diktats. There is less concrete evidence so it is harder to clear people and find suspects. I think that if I actually had time to look at each vote in the game on or from the wolves I would be able to eliminate a lot of people, at least from specific packs, but that takes a lot more time and I haven't seen any coloured vote-counts yet. So I feel I have to vote with my gut mostly and the only people I found suspicious were the_hdk, THE_SPLIT and k-59, in a post I made about day 5-ish.

I mostly voted Torndaoli yesterday because I helped AOK and some others to save him a couple of days ago and didn't want to do it again in case he turns out to be a baddie.
Seems odd you have to make an excuse for voting him, especially when the person who got lynched in his place was a villager...

Today I think I'll go for one of the below radar guys who hasn't gotten much votes and hasn't really been voted in a dangerous way by/on any known baddies. There are quite a few such players to chose from WD, Jopi, SPLIT, marty, E_L, Sedracus, myself...
I don't think I've been below the radar, nor you. However we haven't received many votes but that's because there are better candidates IMO.
vote Eternaly_Lost
E_L has been very quiet this game. I don't know if he usually does it nowadays, but didn't he use to make those speadsheet thingys? Either way, haven't really seen him much at all.
 
E_L has been very quiet this game. I don't know if he usually does it nowadays, but didn't he use to make those speadsheet thingys? Either way, haven't really seen him much at all.

Yes I did, and in fact am going to work on right now. That a good way to waste several hours. Want to help? We can split the days up
 
I'll add the vote now, and try to see if the forum lets me explain later.

vote enkhuush

Reasons outlined by marty, and his role as the second man, coming after trespoe, saying his arguments were good, and starting the wagon on reisv2.0.

To others, if you were in touch with TNT, remember that I am subbing him now, and contact me again. Baddies are free to contact me and try to pose as JL'ees too ;)
 
And did we really have such a good discussion?

No. There was not a discussion. There was an argument presented by trespoe against reisv2.0, a rebuttal of said argument, and a bandwagon on reisv2.0. Typical dumb wolf behavior, imo. That, or going for broke, which happens to be stupid, too.
 
Well I think I still am ''posing'' in a way. I certainly haven't went all out to lynch someone yet, except maybe the_hdk on a couple of times. I have defended a lot of people though, about half the players still alive (probably more than there are goodies left in the game...) and that's generally a hallmark of my villager play. But that's because of the unique nature of this game, all of the baddies that have died in this game have been through hunts or JL diktats. There is less concrete evidence so it is harder to clear people and find suspects. I think that if I actually had time to look at each vote in the game on or from the wolves I would be able to eliminate a lot of people, at least from specific packs, but that takes a lot more time and I haven't seen any coloured vote-counts yet. So I feel I have to vote with my gut mostly and the only people I found suspicious were the_hdk, THE_SPLIT and k-59, in a post I made about day 5-ish.
I could go for THE_SPLIT today maybe. k-59 I feel usually radiates goodiness when he is a goodie and he hasn't quite done that this game so maybe you are right about him.


Seems odd you have to make an excuse for voting him, especially when the person who got lynched in his place was a villager...
Well, I made a TIE which appearently is a baddie tell nowadays.

I don't think I've been below the radar, nor you. However we haven't received many votes but that's because there are better candidates IMO.
I was more thinking there is no voting evidence that clears us from any pack (and I haven't check the_hdk because the forum is so laggy at the time of day when I have time to really browse the game thread so I hadn't noticed your arguing against the_hdk). "Under the radar" was as poor choice of words.

E_L has been very quiet this game. I don't know if he usually does it nowadays, but didn't he use to make those speadsheet thingys? Either way, haven't really seen him much at all.
He did defend someone IIRC AOK when some people (some versions of Torn and reis I think) wanted to lynch AOK against the JLs wishes. I could just as easily vote for Jopi or THE_SPLIT. I just felt they are people I more often use as vote targets when in doubt and I thought should vary myself. *shrugs*
 
He just showed up 2 minutes before the deadline to throw a vote on Jopi. I am reading that as he was happy to see Reis91 or Torn, or maybe even AOK with a large enough snipe and it could happen be lynched. We know that two of them are villagers, so likely he is a wolf.

Vote White Daimon
Well... I've been playing a bit quietly for 2 reasons. First of all I've never really got into the game. Secondly, I've bee trying to avoid attention because well I'm the sorceror. My PM box is open for any baddie who wish to PM me :)
 
Well... I've been playing a bit quietly for 2 reasons. First of all I've never really got into the game. Secondly, I've bee trying to avoid attention because well I'm the sorceror. My PM box is open for any baddie who wish to PM me :)

PM sent. While not a baddie per se, I have been playing poorly enough to qualify as bad. Does that do?
 
Well... I've been playing a bit quietly for 2 reasons. First of all I've never really got into the game. Secondly, I've bee trying to avoid attention because well I'm the sorceror. My PM box is open for any baddie who wish to PM me :)

hmmm... odd. Is this because you are a villager and giving up, or are you trying to pull an AOK by outing yourself and avoiding the lynch?

I will admit, I gave up myself after reading the last update. I thought Reis was a wolf due to his behavior (sorry, Reis, but it did seem wolfish to me) and with two villagers gone, I decided I was probably the last villager amongst the three packs.

I actually had no idea who to vote for, since there seems so little knowledge of anyone playing still. I was going to vote for enkhuush, because he, like so many others here, have been playing very low key. But I also feel when a baddie outs himself, they need to follow through with the lynch. Even if it could be a goodie who has given up and wants to end the pain.

Vote White Daimon

edit: at least I probably have the distinction of being in a target-rich environment. I can't help but hit a baddie, now.
 
I disagree. 2 minutes before the deadline is major when you at it. He could have throw his vote on Reis to make it harder to snipe. He could have voted on Torn and tied it, he could have voted on AOK and tried to pull someone onto him, and it could happen.

He threw that vote away on someone, and could only have done worse if he threw it away on TNT.
I don't see how that makes him more suspicious though. Yes, he could have made a non-throwaway vote, but why? Clueless villagers have as much of an incentive to make themselves non-suspicious as wolves do. If he had created a tie and Torn wasn't a wolf he would probably have been lynched the next day. If he had put reis in the lead, lynched next day. If he had voted for AOK the witness and got him lynched, he would have been lynched next day. It was very dangerous for him to make any kind of important vote, even as a goodie. Which is why I don't see his throwaway as inherently suspicious, I may have done the same thing. That's not to say he's a bad lynch because of that, simply that isn't a valid reason to lynch him. You could lynch him otherwise, but bear in mind he lead a failed charge against the_hdk a few days ago.
 
PM sent. While not a baddie per se, I have been playing poorly enough to qualify as bad. Does that do?
I haven't gotten any PM from you. Please resend.
 
Ehrm, what? Why? :confused:

Well, I'm not falling for that stunt two games in a row!

unvote Eternaly_Lost, vote White Daimon
 
With symmetrical setup there should be at least a cultist left but yeah, randy probably shouldn't have talked about Montagues as if they are still around.

We can still kill of the village from the afterlife. That's how good we are :D
 
Is there still need for a sub?
 
I could go for THE_SPLIT today maybe. k-59 I feel usually radiates goodiness when he is a goodie and he hasn't quite done that this game so maybe you are right about him.
So many choices :(

Well, I made a TIE which appearently is a baddie tell nowadays.
Anyone who says that is talking bollocks, making ties comfortably before the deadline are perfectly good votes.

I was more thinking there is no voting evidence that clears us from any pack (and I haven't check the_hdk because the forum is so laggy at the time of day when I have time to really browse the game thread so I hadn't noticed your arguing against the_hdk). "Under the radar" was as poor choice of words.
I'm not sure how vigorously I argued against him, but I do recall voting him before TNT called for him to be run-up, it was with reference to WD's points about why he was suspicious. I also voted him while he was lynched, and while that doesn't say much, I was the foremost person calling for him to be lynched IIRC.


He did defend someone IIRC AOK when some people (some versions of Torn and reis I think) wanted to lynch AOK against the JLs wishes. I could just as easily vote for Jopi or THE_SPLIT. I just felt they are people I more often use as vote targets when in doubt and I thought should vary myself. *shrugs*
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That's not saying much though, is it? AOK was not really in danger when the announcement was made, and we now know he is a villager. Fairly safe yet goody-goody thing to do, defend AOK like that.
 
I sent the PM to "White Daimon the Sorcerer". Did it not reach you? I wonder why...

Ehrm, what? Why? :confused:

Well, I'm not falling for that stunt two games in a row!

unvote Eternaly_Lost, vote White Daimon

[AOK style]Don't argue. I got plenty of wolf scalps as a villager. I decimate wolfpacks easily. I am the Reckoning. The hammer by which the village smashes all opposition.[/AOK style]
 
I sent the PM to "White Daimon the Sorcerer". Did it not reach you? I wonder why...
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