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Kybernomad said:
I would gladly take control over USA. ;)
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Youve both allready fucked up 2 countries. I almost fixed UK then that turned into fail. RUSSIA is no where near beaten your only real threat is the BP event firing through loss of VP (which you can decline).

Feel free to return USSR. Maybe you and i can coop.


But for all your rhetoric just remember.

1.The US plan was to invade Japan in the first few weeks and knock out that 300IC.
2.The US plan then changed to a prelimilenary invasion of Italy to draw axis forces to counter, and to be followed up by the real deal in France. (at request of UK and USSR) we sent 120+ units all the good stuff no regular infantry.
3. This plan also then changed when UK got his army stuck.
4. US saves british armys.
5. US spends the next 9 months trying to fix the position in Africa.


Now kyber ask yourself what went wrong....... The US listened too you 2.

Now you quit the game last session and ive almost fixed your mess up. If im realy lucky i will be able to halt the Asian advance by the end of winter. If you want to come back and fuck it all up again thats cool. Bit think before you speak. Because this blame game bullshit and is getting old.

If you can't be a part of the solution, then don't run your mouth.
Capiche?
 
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Mighty G said:
But for all your rhetoric just remember.

1.The US plan was to invade Japan in the first few weeks and knock out that 300IC.
2.The US plan then changed to a prelimilenary invasion of Italy to draw axis forces to counter, and to be followed up by the real deal in France. (at request of UK and USSR) we sent 120+ units all the good stuff no regular infantry.
3. This plan also then changed when UK got his army stuck.
4. US saves british armys.
5. US spends the next 9 months trying to fix the position in Africa.
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I take it as "no" :)

No matter what happened earlier, the fact is that most Allies units are not being used at all. I control 200 land units out of 700 Allies total. Another 200 divs sit in Ethiopia and under US control were not able to prevent or react to Suez invasion. Where is the rest?(300 divs) So many divs are scattered around islands and US beaches which are not even in the Axis reach. And I remind here that I (before I handed over control of everything besides UK and Spain to US) personally transfered about a hundred divs from places like Brazilian coast (for some reason, US considered vital to guard each Brazilian beach with 9 divs). Half of US famous carrier force is now floating somewhere in the northern Pacific, although Japanese activity is zero in the whole Pacific apart from Australia which is, for some reason, guarded much less than a few god-forsaken US islands. Oh yes, I forgot that guarding Aleutes with 10 CVs is much more important than fighting for a naval superiority in the Med and East African coast.

As for your "plans" I told you at the time that if you could invade Japan in the "first weeks" you could do it. However, I am not sure how you were supposed to succeed in it when you had 20 planes at the time. Allied troops would have survived for quite long in India. Don't make excuses. I always preferred defeating one of Germany or Japan to everything and I repeatedly told you that and was constantly urging you to stop boasting about that and try it instead, with my full support.

The only real, or rather surreal, US plan I have seen so far is the pathetic US nuclear research, the glorious plan of digging in until getting nukes. 43 nuke tech in 41? Flying bombs? Are we going to 1951 to have ICBMs or what? Building reactor? Nice production choice, bravo! Why build so many subs if you don't have one single most important 39 sub tech? Your TC is in red, yet you don't bother with 40 supply and TC tech etc. I guess you really don't need blueprints from me because you don't research some of them like this 40 supply tech. Unfortunately, I don't have BPs for nukes, sorry. When I load up the game as US, it is just a mess. There are no intentions visible. It looks like 5 people suffering from schisophrenia played it, not two, hopefully sane people.

So are we going to start using roughly half of our units or not? For example, do we really need to have units in Colon, fleets guarding Alaska, do we really need an expensive HQ in Pearl Harbor doing nothing for already a year together with quite many divs, do we really need divs in all US beaches even if they are not in reach of the Axis and if they were, the defenses would be too weak anyway? Is this logical?

EDIT: One more thing about trade. US - I know you have been funding the Axis with resources for the whole game, enabled Japan and China build and sustain their war machine, helped Germany to have only -8 rares daily now etc. But please can you stop trading away ALL your surplus rare materials and stop buying loads of oil for that? You should eventually realize what I knew in 36 in this game (and told you several times from the start of the game). Oil is still MUCH MUCH less serious concern for the Axis than rares despite the fact you tried really hard to prove it is the other way around by selling piles of rares and buying enormous amounts of oil. I don't know if it is funny or sad that you have funded Japan so far, you have been so polite that you supplied the Axis at least to the moment when they reach Zhambyl and other resource rich provinces. So kind of you! US has now got only 60k rares stockpile which shows a rares-selling enthusiasm hardly seen ever before...


To put it bluntly - what I suggest is that US is played by ANY other player than Geo alone or Geo-MG combo, be it really anybody. Geo obviously cannot handle so many units alone and Geo+MG created a chaotic conglomerate with no focused effort.
 
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Blah blah blah, same old story lodo.

Be apart of the solution not the problem.


Your a sad pathetic player who cannot see past his own little agendas. Your loosing this war cause you built no navy and have less then 20 aircraft. UK should be the pride of the sea and have a MINIMUM of 120-160 inter/fighters by mid 1942 to protect its naval assets. And you got what???? 500 convoys and 2 dozen tanks????

Excellent planning, absolute stroke of genious.



If your going to stay....... then you need to look at the map, and really look at it. Figure out what you need to do to get back in the game and work towards it, be apart of the solution. This continual obsession with your failed plans is sad.

If your going to continue this argument(as you have the past several weeks now), leave, dont bother finding a sub, tata cyu later. We dont need your defeatist attitude or your poor sportsman ship. If your gonna quit do it.

If you stay. Get on with the job and pull your tongue back in your head. Don't need to hear you sobbing every 5mins.
 
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At least you could respond to any point I have given.

FYI, I have got nearly as many airplanes as you do. If you don't count your obsolete naval bombers and air transports we have the same number of planes. Plus my airforce is more up to date than yours. Which is quite good considering I lost 30 planes to Japan, been using 50-100 IC for supplies for a year already and geared my economy and production against the European Axis during 39-41 which you decided to sabotage by telling me we should engage in Asia instead although I was not prepared for that and you were not as well prepared for your invasion of Japan in the "first weeks".

I offer a solution - me or Kyber goes to US, you and Geo go to SU and/or to Allies minors. This is the only solution I see because you have decided to ignore the things I have told you in the post above.

EDIT: There is also another idea. Since you said you don't need a human UK and it is quite true because UK production is primarily supplying US and other allies troops and building convoys for them I will go to Germany because Hojo said he is out. You can then control UK and Spanish units and thus gain another 200 divs for fortifying US beaches. Geo stays in US and MG stays in SU. If the Axis wins I will NOT TAKE any credits for that victory and count myself as playing as the UK when the game ends. In that case, my congratulations go to Pepsi, Fancy and Hax. I really don't want to continue watching your dig-in nuke strategy and waiting for nearly 300 divs to start moving, probably thinking that SU is still ok after rejected Bitter Peace. I gave you the control of most allies units and many of them just sit, what else do you want?

Or, if Kyber quits, I can take over SU. The basic point is that I no longer don't want to play alongside Geo-MG controlled US. 4 sessions ago I gave them high command because they systematically ignored my ideas, because I was not willing, for example, to fight over control of paratroopers which were idle for months, I sent them elsewhere to use them just to see (when they were half-way to their destination) that US sends them back to sit idle again. And of course, when I asked what they plan with those paras in any near future - no response.
 
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Hello lodo

So are we going to start using roughly half of our units or not? For example, do we really need to have units in Colon, fleets guarding Alaska, do we really need an expensive HQ in Pearl Harbor doing nothing for already a year together with quite many divs, do we really need divs in all US beaches even if they are not in reach of the Axis and if they were, the defenses would be too weak anyway? Is this logical?
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I understand better why you didn't bothered to defend sri lanka or oman. Defending them would have offered places to retreat... Experienced player always defend important places, even if they are not threatened.

Given my actual stockpile, reading "oil is much less a problem than rares for axis" makes me laugh. Experienced players know how to manage a game in the late years (44-45). Others people (actually the ones who leave after first defeats) dont know how to manage games after 40-41. This is absolutely different.

Dont forget also that first of all, we were fighting in ethiopia to secure the retreat place for the units in Yemen....that geo/mg evacuated successfully.


See you tomorrow.
 
We have many more divs on beaches than the Axis which is bad because we need them to help SU.

You might have problems with oil soon but with 340 IC you would have probably suffered one year earlier from rares shortages without ongoing US funding from 36, probably even before invasion of Dutch East Indies.

I am not saying that US should sell oil instead of rares. I always said not to sell anything - which means sell as little as rules allow. Of course, embargo on both oil and rares would be best.

US late years strategy didn't count with SU fighting on two fronts. They have relied on that the the Axis would eventually run out of resources which is not going to happen with SU gone and the whole Eurasia under Axis control.

See you tomorrow too. If Kyber and Hojo don't show up I might switch to SU or Germany.
 
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I received no rares or oil from USA (only the starting trade). And thats not with a 400IC germany that we are going to run out of it.
 
Mighty G said:
I will be playing USSR.
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Only if you take Geo with you and I can take USA. Then you are free to rape another superpower (but I warn you, it's really hard to isolate and not help to anyone as SOV :D). The winter will be probably quite calm, but I strongly suggest you to enforce the western front A LOT as it is much more importatnt and the ballance of power there is desperate after your actions.

As Lodo told in #741, I must give him +1
We studied the savegame together and I saw myself all those crucial faults you did. I dont believe in victory, but maybe I may lead this torso of US to defeat with honor.

Honestly, I quite enjoy playing SOV as the greatest inland battlefield, but I am quite disgusted by those "communication issues", everybody blaming everybody and total lack of cooperation or selfreflection in certain causes.
I would much rather start a new game soon and, with no offence, I plead not to be on the same side as Geo for the third time (I have many good reasons to believe you are great guy in the real life (and with good musical taste indeed), but cooperation with you in HoI is just dire)
 
Pepsi_max said:
I received no rares or oil from USA (only the starting trade). And thats not with a 400IC germany that we are going to run out of it.
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No rares from US? You know, you cannot rade with a country you are at war with. Geo was selling you huge amounts of resources before he entered the war both directly and indirectly and now he is selling the same huge amounts only indirectly. Where are those heaps of resources which Geo has been selling to South American states.

I am going to play either SU or US if we have somebody to play Germany - probably Hax.
 
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Kybernomad said:
Only if you take Geo with you and I can take USA. Then you are free to rape another superpower (but I warn you, it's really hard to isolate and not help to anyone as SOV :D). The winter will be probably quite calm, but I strongly suggest you to enforce the western front A LOT as it is much more importatnt and the ballance of power there is desperate after your actions.

As Lodo told in #741, I must give him +1
We studied the savegame together and I saw myself all those crucial faults you did. I dont believe in victory, but maybe I may lead this torso of US to defeat with honor.

Honestly, I quite enjoy playing SOV as the greatest inland battlefield, but I am quite disgusted by those "communication issues", everybody blaming everybody and total lack of cooperation or selfreflection in certain causes.
I would much rather start a new game soon and, with no offence, I plead not to be on the same side as Geo for the third time (I have many good reasons to believe you are great guy in the real life (and with good musical taste indeed), but cooperation with you in HoI is just dire)
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You quit, so leave your opinions at the door.

kthxbai.
 
LodovicoAriosto said:
No rares from US? You know, you cannot rade with a country you are at war with. Geo was selling you huge amounts of resources before he entered the war both directly and indirectly and now he is selling the same huge amounts only indirectly. Where are those heaps of resources which Geo has been selling to South American states.

I am going to play either SU or US if we have somebody to play Germany - probably Hax.
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Well no im sorry you dont have that right.

If you want to permanantly swap UK to Ussr be my guest but dont expect to be getting UK back. Im not confident that you can do a decent job in ussr so its a one way ticket if you want to ruin yet more handy work ive done in absence.

Your not playing US, so get it out of your head.
 
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Mighty G said:
Well no im sorry you dont have that right.

If you want to permanantly swap UK to Ussr be my guest but dont expect to be getting UK back. Im not confident that you can do a decent job in ussr so its a one way ticket if you want to ruin yet more handy work ive done in absence.

Your not playing US, so get it out of your head.
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Kyber will be there, at least for some time. So I continue as the UK.

I guess I have no choice but this:

I am a GM here so I have the right to kick you and Geo out from the game and replace you with another player. I won't hesitate to do it if you continue in your arrogant behavior. The same goes for Geo and Pepsi.
 
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LodovicoAriosto said:
Kyber will be there, at least for some time. So I continue as the UK.

I guess I have no choice but this:

I am a GM here so I have the right to kick you and Geo out from the game and replace you with another player. I won't hesitate to do it if you continue in your arrogant behavior. The same goes for Geo and Pepsi.
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Ah so kick the 2 guys who have never missed a session..... makes sense?

Anyway gm doesnt give you the right to kick reliable players mid game. so grow up.

this is getting really old and boring.

just quit it.
 
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