It was an obvious win for us all. It was villagers vs wolves, and on the final day you defected to the wolves because you were pouting that you might be asked to sacrifice for the good of your side.
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And so his choices were (a) die, and see his team win; (b) die, and cause his team to lose.
Tell me, how did his actions help him achieve victory?
It was trespoe kept being run up!
On that day when Jacob, I and someone else in the pack voted him, I had no intention of letting him die. I knew that by putting more votes on him, his risk of being lynched dropped significantly because of reis and people who think like reis. And so it was. However, what started the downfall of the black pack was really White Daimon being hunted.
And yes, well done, K!
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I haven't looked at this game at all until now, I endorse the baddy victory and suggest that the real kleptocrats are stupid enough to lose, although you folks playing as them might need an excuse based on these last comments.
I haven't looked at this game at all until now, I endorse the baddy victory and suggest that the real kleptocrats are stupid enough to lose, although you folks playing as them might need an excuse based on these last comments.
Really? I thought the way the village got its act together after the JL imploded was admirable. To still bring it down to the wire, even after losing the entire JL so early, is a pretty solid feat of arms.
His actions should have stirred you to move your vote to k-59, which he would have followed.
Since you did not, he let you suicide yourself.
Yeah, SPLIT and I5 were the most obvious goodies and had either I5 or jonti bothered to even talk to SPLIT the goodies would probably have won.
I'm also interested in hearing why I5 and marty though lynching me was such a good idea yesterday. I can't see how my conversation with EURO that I forwarded to you could have made any sense for a black wolf talking to a black cultist.
By forcing you to choose between himself and K. He was letting you know that he would not sit by and let you get both K and himself. He thus was trying to force to choose one. That was the only way he could have survived with you and Jonti going after him.
However, what started the downfall of the black pack was really White Daimon being hunted.
My hunt order that day went something like this:
"I want to hunt a black wolf, so my suspect list is":
Hunt White Daimon
Backup Jacob-lundgren
Backup Adamus
Backup Euro
Backup k-59
(I did change the order a few times though - there were actually three orders in rapid succession. One of them had Euro at the top, I believe.)
I never gave reis that list though - didn't have any PM's that told me he subbed in, and no time to catch up on the thread .. Kaetje had said something but I just didn't want to risk it.
I did not suicide myself; he suicided himself. How did that help him achieve victory?
jonti wasn't going after him.
Or, he could have survived by convincing us he was a villager. A good way of convincing someone you're a villager is not by making blatantly wolfish actions, such as he did. Any hope he had of persuading us to lynch only k-59 died when he voted himself. It was clear that his intent was to vote snipe to save himself -- which the last wolf needs to do to win. A villager does not.
Exactly, Johho. The village deserved to die. Jonti did not deserve to sleepwalk to another win. Ironhead screwed the snipe. Split also deserved to die because although theoretically sound his strategy was poorly implemented. This village deserved to die. And it did.
I am claiming victory as the GM. We had 34 players, including some new blood and a game that went to the final seconds with only one survivor. We also had some 1820+ replies which puts this game in the top three most active since moving to the subforum. It only trails the best game in the subforum ever (Kriszo's), and the craziest (Randy's).
The quality of play was often questionable, but it was still a solid game in my opinion. I will give more details about my setup later.
I am claiming victory as the GM. We had 34 players, including some new blood and a game that went to the final seconds with only one survivor. We also had some 1820+ replies which puts this game in the top three most active since moving to the subforum. It only trails the best game in the subforum ever (Kriszo's), and the craziest (Randy's).
The quality of play was often questionable, but it was still a solid game in my opinion. I will give more details about my setup later.
He didn't achieve victory because you denied him victory. His course of action was the most viable way for him to win. Had he accepted the TIE between k-59 and himself, the village would have won, yes, but at the price of his head. Who are you to say your winning is more important than his winning?
Had you looked at the evidence presented you, you would have voted k-59. Split tried to get you to do that, but you failed him. As such, he failed you.
What I really don't get though is why the black wolves didn't start to gun for the JL after WD got lynched, starting with Syber or Ironhead, at the very least.
I think both sides got a little too confident at some point
I think both sides got a little too confident at some point
It was trespoe kept being run up!
On that day when Jacob, I and someone else in the pack voted him, I had no intention of letting him die. I knew that by putting more votes on him, his risk of being lynched dropped significantly because of reis and people who think like reis. And so it was. However, what started the downfall of the black pack was really White Daimon being hunted.
And yes, well done, K!
People who think like reis? I wonder who...
Yes, Daimon hunt must have made you go like WTF. Without it, the game would have ended much earlier with your victory. With that hunt, I gave time for the village to get their act together. I'm surprised you thought Adamus had done it. I really did not understand that hunt.
I just want to say one thing. Last day wasn't the only example of poor reasoning by villagers. I mean, the hunt on me, why? With black pack hunting next night, drxav gave you two extra hunts. I had my previous order on jacob-lundgren, your brutal wolf, also, as AOK can attest.
What I really don't get though is why the black wolves didn't start to gun for the JL after WD got lynched, starting with Syber or Ironhead, at the very least.
I think both sides got a little too confident at some point
We were celebrating by night 2.
It was trespoe kept being run up!
On that day when Jacob, I and someone else in the pack voted him, I had no intention of letting him die. I knew that by putting more votes on him, his risk of being lynched dropped significantly because of reis and people who think like reis. And so it was. However, what started the downfall of the black pack was really White Daimon being hunted.
And yes, well done, K!
Yes, WD's death kind of got the ball rolling. Over me. And you.
I take pride in knowing that I was solely responsible for hunting sbr though, even if the rest went poorly