Werewolf CIV : When the saints go marching in

[Rysz]

Now that Adamus is dead: on the first day when I voted him, he asked me to save his life, for it would be bad for the village to lynch him.
He was right.
That's why I switched off Adamus on the first day and went through some vote changes to find another lynchee.

 

[randakar]

I...killed an innocent in my foolish tie, and the claimed villager by Sedracus just happend to be another baddie, in another pack.

You're talking about this PM of yours?

According to intel I got from our claimed spy.

Johho is a simple villager.

I've sent it to more than one. So the data should be safe.

'cuz lets be frank, I don't put much trust in either of you, but you two are the ones I consider most thrustworthy.

I didn't ask for the spy report itself for no reason. (That's before I read the thread ..)
Obviously the actual spy report would have been a pile of horse manure

A shame that we lost Adamus. I was absolutely right about him being a goodie it seems, but my defense of him got him hunted. Sorry Adamus. At least you took Johho with you.

And I am happy that I was right about Sedracus.
Though now I guess -two- packs hate me ..

I am guessing that Adamus being a hunter killed the attacking wolf and not that another hunter had any hand in this.

That seems very obvious, yes.

I'm currently dealing with information overload...

This sounds like a very good time to reread this thread with the unveiled wolfies in mind, doesn't it?

Specifically, three different packs currently unveiled. A fourth we know about...

We can try to find who is a packmate of those wolves, but just because we can prove somebody isn't in one persons pack doesn't mean they aren't in another pack.

Isn't that always a problem in WW?

For now my tired mind is going to say that the two suspects I want to actually look at are Jackpot15 and Orange Yoshi.

Orange Yoshi got defensive and tried to move the voting to a completely new person, Sedracus and johho888 were both in the running at the time they did so.

Jackpot15 suddenly switched his vote up to Jolt when Sedracus started to pull ahead. This both outright defends Sedracus as well as helping bury the chance of johho888 being viewed as a valid lynch possibility.

So either Jackpot15 or Orange Yoshi could have been protecting either Sedracus or johho888 as packmates. Given the 50% plus odds we've got of finding a baddie right now, I'm feeling pretty safe in aiming at one of them.

This looks pretty solid to me. But I won't make up my mind until I have had a chance to reread yesterday, at least.

Johho and Jolt were both crap. Sed might've been a decent target, but the argument was weak.

Sed needs to learn that I am not going to let him get away again with fail logic.
He was trying to bandwagon an obvious goodie, despite my arguments for why that obvious goodie was obviously a goodie. I have a good record there.

I'm not a wolf, I don't even have the apprentice role I had the first go-round. I voted up a new candidate because your targets were either crap or had weak arguments. You got half lucky with that tie. You might've gotten a wolf, but you killed a goodie based on botched theories.

It's a good thing that I didn't give drxav and Joeb's arguments against Jolt enough credit to not listen to my own brain and go after Sedracus, I'd say.

Sub me out, I will not stand for arrogant incompetence.

Aww ..

 

[johho888]

I am guessing that Adamus being a hunter killed the attacking wolf and not that another hunter had any hand in this.

That seems very obvious, yes.

I sense a higher power had his hand in this than a mere hunter.

 

[Lord Strange]

Alas! I was trapped in the land of Orthodoxy, Russia, preaching to the masses about the glory of God and St George! Yet I could not reach the Holynet for free as had been foretold to me! It seems satanic Dragons were at work. I have at last slain most of them, and returned by one tame one to my other land of England, and so can intervene in this mighty council.

 

[walrus]

VOTE Boris Ze Spider for playing on the edge this entire game. you are trying to get rid of those who realize your true form! You are not getting away this time Ice Spider.

Oh god, Jackpot, that's a terrible thing to do when you get accused early in the day.

Vote Jackpot15
as joeb makes a good point in #656 about him. Need to go take a look back at past happenings however.

Edit: Randy, any chance you can whip us up a coloured votecount?

 

[Kaetje]

Hi there! I've been asked to sub, but have not yet gotten a confirmation about my role or whatnot. However I will have a busy day and evening so I want to get my vote in in the meantime.
I vote the 3rd alive player on the playlist.

I will read up on the game when I have more time tomorrow morning. Besides that maybe someone (or multiple someones?) could PM me a short recap of the game?

 

[randakar]

Going over the thread some.

And you will know my
name is the Lord when I lay my
vengeance upon you."

So:
Vote Randakar

Yep, he didn't like me, did he?

Which means you're a sinner!

That's to drxav. No vote on him though.

Sounds like a good reason to start with.

vote Lurken

EL's sneaky hidey vote.

It's day 1, what kind of reasons for votes do you expect?

If the setup is the same as round 1 of role distribution we are looking at 50% baddies and they will only be interested in lynching someone from not their pack so lot of people have no reason to put a lot of effort into finding baddies. OTOH odds are fairly good any random dude we pick for lynch is a baddie.

If you think Lurken is a goodie then I'll vote whoever he votes (is that a good enough reason for a vote for ya?)

vote walrus

This is Johho, talking about the three Lurken voters: the_hdk, EL, and Boris.
That vote on walrus pushes him into the danger zone, I believe.

Yeeees, I've been thinking about that too...

Johho likes the idea of a Tie. Well, he would, wouldn't he?

Adamus, Crovax much?

Unvote Randakar
Vote Adamus

I disapprove of crovaxian slips. Have some decency, man.

Here is our claim that Adamus made a Crovax. Note the author

Vote Adamus

Because crovax and it's the first day so any reason is good enough.

.. and he gets a follower.

Reis, who are still missing from the votecount (as in, who have not voted yet?)

Some time later. Sedracus is really interested in a count. Why?

Adamus -4- J. Pass, Boris, Sedracus, Najs,
Euro -4- Slinky, Adamus, drxav, Paen,
Walrus -3- Lurken, Johho, Rysz,
Lurken -3- hdk, Losty, Jolt,
Boris -2- Joeb, Jackpot,
oy -2- Walrus, Ciryandor,
Rysz -1- Jacob,
drxav -1- Oy,
Jonti -1- k59,
Jolt -1- Jopi,

​

.. and he gets it.

Hmmm, a tie...

The line will be dead in 1 hour and 19 minutes, correct?
Or is it in 19 minutes? Summer time is screwing me up.

He's really, really interested. Is a packmate of his in there?

The next bit will be a bit of a blow-by-blow of what happened after that on day 1.
Sorry about that, but it seems necessary with Sedracus apparently having a horse in this race.

Vote Lurken

That develops into a three-way tie.

And then:

Fine.

Unvote walrus
Vote Adamus

For me, first day is not so much about who to lynch, but mostly about who I don't want to see dead in the beginning of the game too soon. As I said, Lurken coming back from a long retirement is one of those names. Since he was brought up to the tie, I break the tie.

Unvote Lurken
Vote EURO

Racz really likes his ties, doesn't he?

Vote Adamus

Euro tries to save himself.

Im really not the one you want to see dead after this night. I dont want to wait like randakar did last game.

At that point I fire off a PM to adamus, and start thinking a switch is in order.

Adamus -6- J. Pass, Boris, Sedracus, Najs, Rysz, Euro
Euro -5- Slinky, Adamus, drxav, Paen, Krasinski
Lurken -3- hdk, Losty, Jolt
Walrus -2- Lurken, Johho,
Boris -2- Joeb, Jackpot,
oy -2- Walrus, Ciryandor,
Rysz -1- Jacob,
drxav -1- Oy,
Jonti -1- k59,
Jolt -1- Jopi,

​

You are not helping me

Unvote Adamus
Vote EUROO7

Logical.

Vote Adamus.

.. but this .. isn't.

And then I start the switch to EL:

Right. Time for a switch. Let's get someone new up there. Especially since AOK isn't around to do one.

Vote Eternaly_lost

He was bandwagoning Lurken, and his reasons were inane. That's good enough for me.

This is followed by:

Unvote EURO
Vote Eternaly_lost

Unvote Adamus
Vote Eternaly_lost

unvote euro

vote eternaly_lost

Note these votes are zero and 2 minutes spaced apart. None of them may have seen the other votes yet.

Wait, does this mean you have two packmates being tied?

Again he tries to throw some suspicion my way.

Since I think a 2-3 way TIE might actualy be a good idea here why not bring someone new up.

unvote walrus, vote Eternaly_Lost

He still likes a tie. And note the count:

Eternaly_Lost -5- Racz, kehaar, Adamus, johho, Randy
Adamus -5- J. Pass, Boris, Sedracus, Najs, Euro
Euro -4- Slinky, drxav, Paen, Rysz,
Lurken -3- hdk, Losty, Jolt
Boris -2- Joeb, Jackpot,
oy -2- Walrus, Ciryandor,
Walrus -1- Lurken,
Rysz -1- Jacob,
drxav -1- Oy,
Jonti -1- k59,
Jolt -1- Jopi,

​

UNVOTE ADAMUS VOTE ETERNALLY LOST

to minimize tie risk/

Good call, J. Pass. And that makes him an unlikely schismatic right there, since it pushes EL definitely in the lead.

Followed by this, 6 minutes before the deadline:

Meh, I got to hunt AOK. I am happy with how things turned out.

Victory to the Schismatics Pack!

I'm keeping this in case Losty is not lynched.

Unvote Adamus
Vote Losty

Just in case.

That's a bit late, I think. Considering his earlier posts. But then EL wasn't ahead then, and Euro himself was out of the danger zone.
Still .. a bit late.
His earlier post kinda gives him a bit of credit in my eyes, but it may have been very good wolf play, instead.

Unvote Adamus, vote EL

He confessed and will die.

No shit, sherlock

Unvote EUROO7
Vote Eternaly_Lost

That's day 1. If Sedracus had a horse in the running I think it was either Euro or walrus. Probably the former.

Edit: Randy, any chance you can whip us up a coloured votecount?

Not really. I don't really have time for doing this post as is ..

edit2: I'm gonna sig this:

I have a question, was this just luck, or?

No, this was Randy's black magic.

Lesson learned, always trust Randy's black magic.

 

[Kaetje]

Going over the thread some.
blablabla

Didn't you have work to do?

 

[Najs]

Didn't you have work to do?

Oh oh, someones in trouble now!

 

[randakar]

Didn't you have work to do?

Quite a lot. Fortunately, I have automation doing most of it for me

 

[Rysz]

Quite a lot. Fortunately, I have automation doing most of it for me

 

[Lurken]

If going by randakars analyzis...and my gut feeling.

Three names jump out on me. Najs, Racz and Kehaar.

Also, if my memory serves me right, jackpot is acting "odd".

Vote Kehaar

 

[Rysz]

If going by randakars analyzis...and my gut feeling.

Three names jump out on me. Najs, Racz and Kehaar.

Also, if my memory serves me right, jackpot is acting "odd".

Vote Kehaar

Yes, I had the same feeling, but I was brought back to work before I could vote (unlike Randakar, who only has virtual users, I have real users who come in and ask all kinds of stuff, like were they need to put back the beamer they used yesterday.)

Vote Kehaar

disclaimer: no, this is not a bandwagon vote, this is a vote that I intended on placing anyway, and I believe Kehaar to be a serious suspect.

 

[drxav]

I won't be able to make it at the deadline tonight. I'll vote one of my suspects.

VOTE RACZYNSKI

 

[randakar]

Day 2.
Leaving out some cheering/booing at the timezone stuff, and at the Paendrag hunt. Much of that may be genuine, and may give us some tells about people's allegiance .. or it may not.

Well, Eternaly_Lost's first vote was for Lurken, and put Lurken into a tie with Adamus and Boris ze Spider...

Eternaly_Lost may have been protecting one of them, or both of them.

Adamus switched onto the Eternaly_Lost bandwagon reasonably quickly, but after it had already got 3 other votes... a perfect situation to hide in a bandwagon...

So I'm going to go ahead for now and say...

VOTE ADAMUS

Good analysis, wrong target. Why did you not go for Boris instead, Joeb?

This is the second time that one of my family members starts discussing the game with me on Google Chat.

...

Anyway, this morning, Sedracus asked me what we could do against the heretics and infidels. He thought Randakar's sudden vote change to e_L, and subsequent bandwagon bizar. Especially without seer.

Rysz, ranting about Sedracus contacting him. I've left most of it out, of course. But I think it's pretty safe to conclude that Rysz is not a packmate of Sedracus'. Especially not considering his vote on Sedracus started the bandwagon on him.
(Damn, I have difficulty keeping these packs apart ..)

What he did literally say:
"...wat we kunnen doen tegen de Heretics en Infidels
(oftewel de Schismatic, Atheïst, Satanist en die vierde pack)"

translated: What we can do against the heretics and infidels (or actually the schismatic, atheist, satanist and the fourth pack)

I see we are repeating ourselves, Adamus and Euro again... Normally I'm against bringing up the same people over and over again but the vote swing towards Eternaly_Lost went so smooth and we "know" there are shitloads of baddie packs out there so I can't help thinking one or both were "saved".

Translated: Neither of them is my packmate, so I don't care they get run up again.

Vote johho888

for being an alarmist

That's actually the second vote on him - Adamus was first.

Vote johho888

because TIE! Also because I haven't voted yet and will be liable to forget to come back later and vote.

Welcome to the "not a Johho packmate" club, walrus.

I'm not quite as willing to believe Adamus when he said he's someone we'd miss though.

Therefore:

Vote Adamus

As we all know, that's a load of horse excrement.

Adamus shows all the hallmarks of being a goodie this game.
And your reasoning is flawed. You're not willing to believe him, which makes him a better lynch than everyone else in your eyes? Surely that is folly. Even if he was lying, it still doesn't follow that he has to be a baddie.

This game is more than 50% baddies and you're being obnoxiously illogical.

Which makes my vote easy:

Vote Sedracus

It's time for me to stop cutting you slack.

To you, I'm always being illogical, Randakar

What sorts of hallmarks, Randakar? If someone comes with sound arguments, I'm willing to listen and switch.

Few people are actually putting in their reasons why they vote such and such. :/

Not everyone notices this discussion.

I've had no time to keep track of things here...

So I'll vote Adamus for good measure.

That's a very interesting vote. Complete bandwagon while professing ignorance of the fact. I'd like some pressure on Kehaar, I think.

And I do notice that:

.. which breaks the tie, and pushes Adamus even further ahead.
Despite my arguments against his lynch
I know how this pattern ends. Every time it happens I turn out correct, and it's another villager dead.

Unvote Sedracus
Vote Jolt

Much better candidate than Adamus, despite me not really wanting to lynch a newcomer early.

Then the Sedracus wagon finally gets fired up...

Unvote walrus
Vote Sedracus

Let's go get him, then.

Unvote Jolt
Vote Sedracus

That happens to be right after randakar cast his, and such...

UNVOTE ADAMUS

VOTE JOLT

(hope it's still in time?)

Your track record isn't very great here, Joeb ..

unofficial vote count

Jolt - 4 - Lurken, Najs, drxav, joeb,
Adamus - 3 - Jolt, Sedracus, Kehaar
johho - 3 - Adamus, Slinky, walrus
Boris - 2 - J.Pass, jacob
Sedracus - 2 - Rysz, randy
randy - 1 - Jackpot
hdk - 1 - Jopi
Slinky - 1 - Boris
Rysz - 1 - hdk
Oy - 1 - Ciry
Najs - 1 - Raczynski

not voted - 7 - johho, Lord Strange, enkhuush, jonti, k-59, Oy, Euro

In the face of many people reasoning the same thing...

Unvote Adamus
Vote Jolt

Why is Adamus being run up again?

Vote Jolt

He seems responsible.

Those two posts happen 0 minutes spaced apart.

We still have close to an hour, don't we?

Jolt I'm Ok with if only this wasn't his first game. Adamus, could be Ok just to see if he was saved yesterday. Obviously don't like johho (only reason I see is there are way to many J-people playing). I do get baddie vibes from Sedracus. Boris - I don't know. Today I don't fancy a TIE - I wonder why...

Two villagers he's OK with, Sedracus is indeed a rival wolf, and he "doesn't know about Boris" .. hmm.

How would you guys feel about going after an inactive for lack of any obvious target? I don't think I've seen enkussh, Lord Strange or k-59 at all since we started playing.

So, let's add "enkhuush, Lord Strange, and k-59" to the "not a Johho packmate" list.


When euro notices Sedracus' post:

Unvote Jolt
Vote Sedracus

Welcome to the "not a sedracus packmate" club, Euro.

unofficial vote count

Jolt - 5 - Lurken, Najs, drxav, joeb, Sedracus
Sedracus - 4 - Rysz, randy, johho, Euro
johho - 3 - Adamus, Slinky, walrus
Adamus - 2 - Jolt, Kehaar
Boris - 2 - J.Pass, jacob
randy - 1 - Jackpot
hdk - 1 - Jopi
Slinky - 1 - Boris
Rysz - 1 - hdk
Oy - 1 - Ciry
Najs - 1 - Raczynski

not voted - 5 - Lord Strange, enkhuush, jonti, k-59, Oy

It's jolts first time playing?

I liked EUROO7s reason for voting Sedracus (for those who didn't see it, it was in Sedracus's post).

UNVOTE JOLT
VOTE SEDRACUS

Another very significant vote. Not a sedracus packmate, then.

Unvote Najs
Vote Boris

I think it's unlikely we've got wolves in either Sedracus or Jolt. They've been in the running too much.

That looks like an attempt to steer the Sedracus lynch elsewhere.

Sedracus got a grand total of one vote yesterday... And that was switched off him early in the day...

Jolt also got a grand total of one vote yesterday... and it was a complete throwaway by the time it happened...

Sedracus has only been in the running today recently...

Joeb notices the discrepancy ..

Unvote Randakar
Vote Jolt

Jackpot has been looking suspicious all game to me, to be honest. This vote is a good example.

Pretty much anything can get you killed in a WW game. Sitting quietly in a corner is one of the most boring ways to do so so I had to do something. Anyway, the lack of enthusiasm for my idea should give you an indication of the kind of leverage my group has. Not even I voted an inactive. Does it look like I have a wolf pack backing me?

Well ..

Today is coming down to Jolt and Sedracus... and you're getting very nervous?

Getting nervous can be dangerous... Pretty much anything can kill you you know

Joeb notices Johho's behaviour. Good call there. Not enough for him to switch to Johho, but ..

For shame.

Vote Adamus

All your current targets are crap.

Not as much crap as yours, OY ..
@Joeb - this is pure OY genius. He is an excellent goodie detector. Him voting -anyone- almost guarantees it's a goodie.

unofficial vote count

Sedracus - 5 - Rysz, randy, johho, Euro, joeb
Jolt - 5 - Lurken, Najs, drxav, Sedracus, Jackpot
johho - 3 - Adamus, Slinky, walrus
Boris - 3 - J.Pass, jacob, Raczynski
Adamus - 3 - Jolt, Kehaar, Oy
hdk - 1 - Jopi
Slinky - 1 - Boris
Rysz - 1 - hdk
Oy - 1 - Ciry

not voted - 4 - Lord Strange, enkhuush, jonti, k-59

I don't like a potential tie, and I don't want to lynch a first timer this soon, really I thought I've seen Jopi in WW games earlier.

Unvote Jopi
Vote Sedracus

Well...Sedracus may not be my preferred target, but he has done some notice towards my gut feeling...I tend to trust that.

Another member is welcomed to the Not A Sedracus Packmate club.

While I agree with the desire against a TIE, I must ask you all to

Vote Jolt

I'm a spy, and got info that he's a wolf.

Great effort, giving all your packmates an excuse to switch, I reckon.
Good thing I was off to bed by then, I might even have fallen for it
I wonder if this was your own idea though. If your packmates knew you were going to do this, they might even have been voting you at this point ..

Unvote Boris
Vote Jolt

Can you let us see it? Forgive me for doubting but it is rather strange you come out with such a statement so close to the deadline when you are in the vote lead.

This. Very much this. Asking for evidence is the right instinct.
Yes, I'd have loved to have Johho on my side as a villager.

You've forced my hand Sedracus... and if your statement is a lie you will be ruthlessly slaughtered tomorrow. Think about how much damage your statement might be doing to the village if you're lying...

UNVOTE SEDRACUS
VOTE JOLT

Joeb, if you are a packmate of Sedracus I must commend you on this one. Very nicely done.

Scratch that.
I've just read Sed's post. My bullshitmetter is off the scale.
Unvote jolt
Vote Sedracus

That puts him very solidly in the Not-A-Packmate-Of-Sedracus club.

CRAP!

Unvote Jopi
Vote Jolt

EDIT: so it is correct

Unvote Sedracus
Vote Jolt

Lurken, at least, looks convinced.

unofficial vote count that I have at deadline... I hope this is correct...

jolt - 7 - Lurken, Najs, drxav, Sedracus, Jackpot15, joeb, Lurken
Sedracus - 6 - Rysz, randy, johho888, EUROO7, Adamus, Raczynski
Adamus - 3 - Jolt, Kehaar, Orange Yoshi
johho - 2 - Slinky, walrus
Boris - 2 - J.Pass, jacob
hdk - 1 - Jopi
Slinky - 1 - Boris
Rysz - 1 - hdk
Oy - 1 - Ciry

not voted - 4 - Lord Strange, enkhuush, jonti, k-59

One faulty count. The actual result we all know..

If Jolt is a wolf I say we slam Raczynski for outright refusing to make the switch.

I'm still inclined to believe Joeb isn't bullshitting us. If he is, this is very well played.

Anyway, that pretty much wraps up the reread. I need to filter this out to compile some lists of whom is an unlikely packmate of whom, but I'd really appreciate it if someone else can do that as I now really have work to do.

 

[Adamus]

@REIS (GM)

i tried to pm you but inbox full, can you pass the role/player list to me just to make the next few days more interesting please?

 

[randakar]

@REIS (GM)

i tried to pm you but inbox full, can you pass the role/player list to me just to make the next few days more interesting please?

No sub then?

 

[jonti-h]

Vote k-59 'cos he voted me yesterday

 

[Adamus]

No sub then?

I know too much unfortunatly [/colour]

 

[Lurken]

Vote k-59 'cos he voted me yesterday

What?

Above you have a rather excellent source of material to ponder about, and you pick that reason to vote for someone?