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April 8th, 2025. The first mass driver shipment from Mars arrived today, carrying over 20 tons of Neutronium as well as similar amounts of Sorium and Uridium and minor amounts of Gallicite. In total, about 69 tons of ore. If this rate of delivery can be maintained, it will halve our projected shortfall. We're still in the red, though. Our stockpiles are still dwindling... but not at the previous alarming rate. We have bought ourselves some time.

That time must be used to find a permanent solution to the resource shortage. More robot mines are currently under construction here on Earth, for shipment to Mars and other high-concentration Neutronium deposits. A second pair of Mass Drivers is being assembled. We are taking every possible measure to meet the emergency... and it still might not be enough. Tentative schedules are being drawn up... strictly as paper-studies at the moment... for shutting down selected sectors of the economy in order to reduce our Neutronium consumption to a minimum without crashing the whole economy. The shipyards are by far the main consumer of this scarce resource, and any full or partial shutdown will have to hit them hard.

How will I explain this to Captain Arjyla?

... perhaps it won't be necessary. It will be tight... very tight. But perhaps we can squeak through without halting production on any of the warships, and without slowing down the expansion work on any of the military shipyard slips. If we were forced to halt expansion work on the Civilian shipyard slips in order to conserve the last of our Neutronium for the Military construction... I believe Captain Arjyla would accept that solution.

Commander Hellvink arrived yesterday, refueled and departed this morning with the Alien Analysis Team, bound for Procyon VII. That's another can of worms. God knows what they might find... or what might find THEM. The Procyon system is by no means secure... we don't even know where the exit jump-points are, or how many of them exist. The system might be right on the border of an alien empire.

Well... there's one ray of hope, anyway. By the time Captain Arjyla and his men return from their training mission, our armaments factories will have some Missiles ready to load into their ships. For the first time in Human history, we will no longer be entirely naked to attack.
 
For the first time in Human history, we will no longer be entirely naked to attack.

Well...

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Hooray for clothes :D

If initial shipments from Mars have halved the deficit, surely further expansion will be enough until some new sources can be established? Or is the Mars supply unlikely to significantly expand?
 
good to know that we are slowly improving in many areas.

I humbly submit the need to name our two squadrons of fighters, perhaps something like the spacehawks would be a good name for one of the squadrons.
 
If initial shipments from Mars have halved the deficit, surely further expansion will be enough until some new sources can be established? Or is the Mars supply unlikely to significantly expand?

Bottom line : In the short term, we can expand the Martian mining operation by another 50-75%.

The economic aspects of the situation are tricky. Mineral deposits are reported by type, tonnage and concentration... eg: Neutronium 34,058 tons at 20% concentration. Mineral concentration (10% to 100%) affects how fast you can extract the resources... double the concentration means double the tonnage produced per month by each mine. Total mineral tonnage affects how long the deposit will last before it's exhausted. Adding more mines (or increasing the concentration, which actually can happen under special circumstances) will exhaust the deposit more rapidly, because more of the total tonnage is being extracted each month.

Mines come in two varieties... regular mines (which each require 50,000 manpower to operate) and automated mines (which require none). We started the game with 768 regular mines and 153 automated mines on Earth. Note that all of those mines were being used to extract Earth's own resources... moving an automated mine off of Earth to somewhere else will reduce our monthly mineral supply unless we move it to a location which offers an equal or higher concentration of minerals. Even if we move the mine to a spot with higher mineral concentrations, the only profit we show is on the margin... the concentration at the new location minus the concentration on Earth.

Earth has a Neutronium concentration of 20%. On Mars, Neutronium is found at 70% concentration. So moving a mine from the Earth to Mars will allow it to extract Neutronium +250% faster. Of course, that's not the whole story. Earth hosts all eleven of the Trans-Neutonian elements, and each mine on Earth produces some of each. Mars only hosts four minerals... and one of them is at only 10% concentration, not even worth mining except as a "free" by-product of some more profitable operation. Basically, any mine moved from Earth to Mars is put there specifically to mine Neutronium, and moving it there comes at the cost of an across-the-board reduction in the supply of all of our other minerals.

Another point... only automated mines can operate without labor. Regular mines require 50,000 workers each. We now have 84 automated mines redeployed to Mars... some have been added since that report... and if they had been regular mines instead, they would have required 4,200,000 workers to operate them, plus enough people in life support, agriculture and service industries to support those workers. There are less than a quarter of a million people on Mars. Obviously, we can only afford to send automated mines to Mars. The Martian labor-pool must be saved to operate loaned Factories, and used to build new Martian factories, so that the loaned Factories can eventually be pulled out again.

Once the Martian population starts getting so high that we have trouble loaning them enough of our Factories to keep them all busy... remember that those Factories were being used on Earth already, and every one that we loan reduces our own industrial output... we can start sending them regular mines. Earth's mineral resources will be running out anyway in five-to-eighteen years (depending on the specific mineral... Solium in five years, Corbomite in eighteen), so we don't mind giving away our mines. They will soon have nothing left to extract here, anyway.

I've been building more automated mines as quickly as humanly possible (consonant with our other needs... we need Infrastructure to support the Martian colony, mass drivers to move the ore, etc); but that still means that we have only increased our number of automated mines by about one per month. They are very expensive to build... in time, money and resources (120 Duranium and 120 Corundium per mine).

Eventually we will be aiming for a situation where there are no mines at all on Earth (because there are no resources left to extract), only regular mines on Mars and other Colonies (once sufficient population exists there to run them all) and all of our automated mines deployed in places where a human labor force cannot survive, such as Venus, Asteroids and Comets.
 
good to know that we are slowly improving in many areas.

I humbly submit the need to name our two squadrons of fighters, perhaps something like the spacehawks would be a good name for one of the squadrons.

Voting for suggested names is now open.

Is there any proof that ruins are part of another space empire, maybe they are just Precursors?

Even Precursor ruins are profitable to explore... and also dangerous, and possibly guarded.
 
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Voting for suggested names is now open.

Some ideas:

  • Walküre

  • Thunderbirds

Hmm. What i would like to know is if say the fighter (and bomber) wing(s) count as am air (but in space) force and if all the rest of the ships are more of a navy as that would affect the names given. Though id love to see a ride of the valkyries across the stars.
 
So I gather that, essentially, humanity is now turning into a parasite on a galactic scale? Mine a planet/celestial body empty (and fairly quickly), move on..
What to do with the population of depleted planets?
 
I suppose its like this:

mining front moves-->mining front replaced by frontline assembly factories-->FLA factories move-->replaced by research/civilian factories
 
April 8th, 2025. The first mass driver shipment from Mars arrived today, carrying over 20 tons of Neutronium as well as similar amounts of Sorium and Uridium and minor amounts of Gallicite. In total, about 69 tons of ore. If this rate of delivery can be maintained, it will halve our projected shortfall. We're still in the red, though. Our stockpiles are still dwindling... but not at the previous alarming rate. We have bought ourselves some time.

Sorry, it's hard to keep up mining plans, when you have death squads to train a lot of nursing homes to open
 
So I gather that, essentially, humanity is now turning into a parasite on a galactic scale?
Yes... a step up from our previous existence as a purely local parasite.

Mine a planet/celestial body empty (and fairly quickly), move on..
What to do with the population of depleted planets?
Make money with service industries and trade (shutting down your manufacturing sector entirely, if you like... there's a button for that), send them as colonists to the new frontier (the average game has about 800 to 1200 stars, plus the associated planets, moons and asteroids), form hedonistic societies that produce nothing but virtual-experience helmets and psychodelic drugs...
 
I see why there's such a pressure on mineral production, I hadn't figured on needing to re-allocate production potential from Earth. Hopefully a stable supply can be established quickly, you don't need production to be halted by shortages.
 
I suppose its like this:

mining front moves-->mining front replaced by frontline assembly factories-->FLA factories move-->replaced by research/civilian factories

Basically correct. The financial and investment centers would be in that rear wave, too.

The wave can continue for centuries... this map is HUGE.
 
Well... there's one ray of hope, anyway. By the time Captain Arjyla and his men return from their training mission, our armaments factories will have some Missiles ready to load into their ships. For the first time in Human history, we will no longer be entirely naked to attack.

Wunderbar! All has been forgiven... now, by Jingo, where are those damned alien lifeforms? :mad:
 
Being a pilot myself, I suggest Wildcards as squad name in honour of space above and beyond
 
Indeed. We desperately need trade partners.

If by trade you mean "arm missiles and point them at the aliens until they give us what we want" or "until mankind has triumphed over those wretched aliens" then we agree. :mad:

Don't worry, alien females shall be sent to you as per your request. :p
 
If by trade you mean "arm missiles and point them at the aliens until they give us what we want" or "until mankind has triumphed over those wretched aliens" then we agree. :mad:

Don't worry, alien females shall be sent to you as per your request. :p

I rather meant "peaceful coexistence", "cultural/technological exchange" and "free flow of goods". And fraternization (as long as they have no tentacles or acid instead of blood).
 
If by trade you mean "arm missiles and point them at the aliens until they give us what we want" or "until mankind has triumphed over those wretched aliens" then we agree. :mad:

Don't worry, alien females shall be sent to you as per your request. :p

Hope they are not that kind with teeth in vaginas :D

And as an aviation enthusiast, I claim that the best name for our first space fighter should obviously be Biggles. There is no pilot more famous than him :)