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VOTE SLINKY

Because baddie tell?

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drxav was a cultist. Seers don't catch cultists. I think it's safe to say EUROO7 playing like he knew who the seer was was nothing more than a good way to get the attention onto drxav instead of a way to protect Steed.

But then I can't know for sure, now can I? (And before you use the clever "but you would know for sure if you were pack mates with somebody involved", the answer is "but how are you sure you aren't a butterfly dreaming?").
 
Vote EUROO7 just because.

Apologies to all for missing the last vote. My ancestors are all red-faced with shame. It will not happen again.
 
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snoopdogg said:
Nothing suspicious about it. Switching near the deadline is often a good thing for the village to do. It makes it harder for the wolves to control the voting, by making it more chaotic.
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I disagree. Switching gives the wolves cover to orchestrate a move to save a packmate in danger. If votes are flying everywhere for no reason and the frontrunner is a wolf, Candidate A, then Candidate B and C suddenly come to the fore and are villagers, we'll never know that the pack moved to help save Candidate A the packmate because things are too confused.

And if Esemesas hadn't been a wolf, and being that you pursued him randomly there was a very good reason to think so, then the sudden pile up onto him would look mighty suspicious. We'd then have to lynch Sid the next day to verify that it wasn't a move to save him from his pack (yes that would have been an immensely clumsy wolf move but we've seen plenty of those). If Sid turned out not to be a wolf that's two bad results, and if he is a wolf then all you achieved was delaying a wolf's death by a day.

If we all vote, identify frontrunners, then concentrate on getting them lynched, wolves have little to no ability to influence the vote. If we've got one wolf and one villager, but lynch the villager at least later on if the wolf is exposed we can sift through the people who voted to save that wolf. If we've got two wolves we're in gravy, unless someone suddenly creates a third candidate like you're suggesting. If we've got no wolves well that's bad luck, but at least we've got a situation we can analyze, instead of a clusterfuck.

It's true that I'd rather have two wolves dead in messy situations in two days, as we've got, than a methodical process and no wolves dead. But I'm just saying that I don't think chaos helps us at all.
 
For me the biggest problem with this late-vote switching is that we are becoming too predictable and the wolves will be trying to exploit that sooner or later if the early candidates will be safe anyway. Then again, so far it is hard to argue with success.
 
Night 0

Hunted: Morrell8

Day 1

Syber_sid (6) - Kingepyon, joebthegreat, Trinitrotoluen, Vainglory, AOK. 11, esemesas
esemesas (6) - snoopdogg, jacob-lundgren, Syber_sid, THE_SPLIT, EUROO7, reis91
jacob-Lundgren (3) - Eternaly_Lost, Bagricula, drxav
Eternaly_Lost (2) - hebelecan, slinky
hebelcan (1) - Adamus
reis91 (1) - Hearth
joebthegreat (1) - Steed

No Vote: Ciryandor, Nautilu

Night 1

Hunted: Hearth

Day 2

drxav (5) - snoopdogg, EUROO7, Trinitrotoluen, reis91, Steed
Steed (4) - Vainglory, Jacob-lundgren, AOK. 11, drxav
Adamus (2) - joebthegreat, Kingepyon
Slinky (2) - Ciryandor, Adamus
Ciryandor (1) - Slinky
THE_SPLIT (1) - Eternaly_Lost
Vainglory (1) - THE_SPLIT

No Vote: hebelecan, Bagricula, Nautilu

Note: THE_SPLIT voted for vainglory, but randakar didn't catch it.

Night 2

Hunted: THE_SPLIT



As a reminder - since there has been at least one missed vote on the count, please remember to put your vote at the end or beginning of the post in bold. Making it bigger isn't a bad idea, either
 
As a late comer to both bandwagons (one is understandable), and the creator of the tie the first day, I think reis is suspicious. If esemesas happened to be a villager the first day he would be under scrutiny. Since there is likely more than one pack in the game (randakar posted that the cylons were warring at the start of the game), he should be under scrutiny for joining the bandwagon the first day and creating the tie, without giving a reason.

Vote Reis91
 
Kingepyon said:
As a late comer to both bandwagons (one is understandable), and the creator of the tie the first day, I think reis is suspicious. If esemesas happened to be a villager the first day he would be under scrutiny. Since there is likely more than one pack in the game (randakar posted that the cylons were warring at the start of the game), he should be under scrutiny for joining the bandwagon the first day and creating the tie, without giving a reason.

Vote Reis91
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Try a little bit harder, perhaps...

So, your case is that I did a decisive vote to lynch someone (and it is not a wagon under any accepted definition of the term) on the first day, and on the second day I followed an outing. Clearly, I must be guilty...

Perhaps now you would like to add another one : being defensive. Well, tough luck, if you look back at past games of mine, I always fight lynch attempts on myself, regardless of role.

vote Kingepyon until he comes up with something that isn't BS.
 
Due to Nautilu missing two subsequent votes I am sending the first person on the substitute list a PM to see if he wishes to replace him. If he responds positively he will step in to fill the spot.
 
reis91 said:
Try a little bit harder, perhaps...

So, your case is that I did a decisive vote to lynch someone (and it is not a wagon under any accepted definition of the term) on the first day, and on the second day I followed an outing. Clearly, I must be guilty...

Perhaps now you would like to add another one : being defensive. Well, tough luck, if you look back at past games of mine, I always fight lynch attempts on myself, regardless of role.

vote Kingepyon until he comes up with something that isn't BS.
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He was run up from nothing to being top contender in less than three hours without any reason for it. I dunno, I've seen that being called a wagon in previous games, so I assumed the definition stands. It seems to change based on who is using the term. At any rate, you still caused a tie 10 mins from a deadline, and you didn't give a reason for it. You could have easily changed your vote to prevent a tie, but yet you kept your vote the same. I'd be on esemesas as well, seeing as how he voted the same time as you, but he's dead.

And yeah, I agree that you were joining an outing, which is why I mentioned it once and then left it alone.

And you still didn't give a reason for voting me. Voting for me because you don't like me voting you isn't a very good reason.
 
Well, he wasn't top contender when I voted him. And he was tied with Sid after I voted him. So, I didn't "hop on the wagon". Reasons for it? What would that be... "Hey, I'm the scanner who scanned him on night 0!" or "I know he is a baddie because he is in my pack, and I will sell him out to the village on the first day to gain cred."?

There was one reason for my vote, and I didn't have any real reason to present it. Still, it's pretty known and Vainglory already approached it, so let's recall it.

The vote was based on the theory that picking 2 targets and running them up without any switches has a good probability of getting one wolf run up, because the pack is faced with a tough dilemma. It's a win whether the wolves decide to try to save their packmates, thinning their cover, and it's a win when the wolves decide to let their packmate die.
Furthermore, it can happen that both of the targets run-up are baddies (of same or different packs). Either way, it is a great way to obtain information on the first days, where there is little to go on.
 
reis91 said:
unvote Kingepyon, on the condition that he will reflect and make himself useful to the village.
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Fair move. King is trying, and I like that about him. There are plenty of people who don't even attempt analysis, and attack those who do, so I'm willing to give him a mulligan.

What's the votecount?
 
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