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Capt. Kiwi said:
So your first paragraph is directly contradicted by your second? Stay classy, Australia :cool: You also missed the revenge vote right at the very start of the game I pointed out. Top notch reading comprehension, there.
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No they're not contradictory because there was no case: I cobbled something together out of the minor points to be made against him. You made no case, you merely mentioned the Hidetora hunt in passing, and later said "Romeo voters vote Blackadder" like you're Snoopdogg or AOK.11 (and your abysmal performance this Meso - unless you're a wolf - makes you horribly reminiscent of Snoopdogg). You never made any coherent statement that could be taken as a case, so I made one for you. Huge difference, but I guess I have to rub your face in it before you notice.

Reis said:
That theory would require tamius to also be out of the loop. Can someone recall if tamius was online when Kiwi spilled the beans?
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I don't know if Tami was online... are you positing a Tami-Cakravarti-the_hdk pack?
 
The narrative for Day/Night 3 has been added. Enjoy!
 
Vainglory said:
No they're not contradictory because there was no case: I cobbled something together out of the minor points to be made against him. You made no case, you merely mentioned the Hidetora hunt in passing, and later said "Romeo voters vote Blackadder" like you're Snoopdogg or AOK.11 (and your abysmal performance this Meso - unless you're a wolf - makes you horribly reminiscent of Snoopdogg). You never made any coherent statement that could be taken as a case, so I made one for you. Huge difference, but I guess I have to rub your face in it before you notice.



I don't know if Tami was online... are you positing a Tami-Cakravarti-the_hdk pack?
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So if you're not a wolf, you vouch for Blackadder with your life, reis can't be wolf without blackmagic, and I'm no wolf by extension, maybe you could try... I dunno... making an actual argument? That only leaves four people to pick three wolves from, so have fun. Surely you could easily hand us a wolf with a stronger case than Cakravarti being involved in wolf revenge voting, refusing to state his reasons for voting, zombieing, and being furiously defended by someone who should be more interested in finding wolves, rather than finding people who by elimination a more likely wolf, and who is blatantly lying about what I have said? And seems to have forgotten that tami and Iago fit extremely naturall with Cakravarti, since remembering that might make him more likely to be assosiated with the other pack?

Go ahead, make my day.
 
Vainglory said:
No they're not contradictory because there was no case: I cobbled something together out of the minor points to be made against him. You made no case, you merely mentioned the Hidetora hunt in passing, and later said "Romeo voters vote Blackadder" like you're Snoopdogg or AOK.11 (and your abysmal performance this Meso - unless you're a wolf - makes you horribly reminiscent of Snoopdogg). You never made any coherent statement that could be taken as a case, so I made one for you. Huge difference, but I guess I have to rub your face in it before you notice.



I don't know if Tami was online... are you positing a Tami-Cakravarti-the_hdk pack?
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Nope, as I still prefer my theory about wolves having over-thought the question, because I am somewhat known to be unpredictable and untrustworthy.

@ Oceanic people : Please focus on the job. Whatever your job is.
 
And for your reading and visual pleasure (three movie stills!), Day/Night 4 narration is up.
 
I really love the back and forth between Kiwi and Vainglory here. This is what werewolf is supposed to be like :)
 
So let us begin a play by play, with the following assumptions:

tamius23 as an Ainu
Cakravarti as Blackadder
snoopdogg as Iago

vs

Napoleon XIX as Edmund <--- One of these people hunted AOK night 0. :p to the GM
?
?

The story begins:

Blackadder the assumed ninja votes Hidetora. No problems there.
Edmund the ninja votes Blackadder the assumed ninja.
An Ainu the known ninja immediately (three minutes) votes Edmund the known ninja. Likely to be retaliation.
Iago the known ninja votes Edgar the known villager. No problems.
Cyrano the known villager votes Iago the known wolf. No problems.
Edgar the known villager votes Edmund the known wolf. No problems.
Blackadder the assumed wolf has no problems with people voting Edmund the known wolf. Meh, self protection is less complicated than rivalry.
Yukimura the known villager votes Edmund the known wolf. No problems.
Macbeth the unknown chooses to tie Iago the known wolf with Edmund the known wolf and Lady Sué the unknown. Normal operations for him.
Edmund the known wolf unvotes Blackadder the assumed wolf, and chooses Lady Sué the unknown over Iago the known wolf to save himself
Edmund the known wolf would rather see Iago the known wolf dead than himself when forced to choose
Napoleon the known villager votes Edmund the known assassin. No problems.
Kintama the known villager votes Iago the known ninja. No problems.
Iago the known wolf would rather see himself tied with Edmund the known wolf than die himself.
Edmund the known ninja votes Napoleon the known villager. No problems.
An Ainu the known ninja also votes Napoleon the known villager. Feud gone, apparently.
Blackadder the assumed ninja begins his habit of showing up late. No known wolves in the candidates to analyse vote. No explanation, but chooses candidate who is ahead with little time to deadline. Fair call, but disappointing. At least Lady Sué explains.
Titania the seer votes Blackadder the assumed wolf for voting innocents willy nilly.
Edmund the known wolf again votes Napoleon the known villager.
An Ainu the known nija votes Tiania the seer.
Blackadder the assumed wolf votes Macbeth the unknown. And refuses to give any reasons, despite being pressed.
An Ainu the known wolf shifts to Ah Q the unknown, but only as a throwaway to break an assumed tie.
Edmund the known wolf votes Ah Q... after being outed.
Lady Kaete the unknown mistakenly does the outing on Ah Q instead of Edmund, but fixes it here.
Macbeth the unknown is unsure of the outing, but goes with it.
Romeo the unknown does not vote with the outing.
Cakravarti the assumed wolf votes with the outing. tamius the known wolf is nowhere to be seen. Since before the outing.

So in summary: Cakravarti as a lone wolf left would explain not hunting reis or myself. However, hdk called the outing a bandwagon. It is unclear how much he knew was going on, although it is known Cakravarti was clueless. Bloody zombies wrecking werewolf :mutters:

Cakravarti however has been in a situation that could strongly be implied as one pack revenge voting the other. There has also been an amusingly violent defence of him by someone who really should be more interested in finding someone, and who usually doesn't take that much time for other people - yet has done so here with minimal provocation. And has also refused to provide analysis of his own to provide another option, just as randakar has failed to do ;)
 
Let's just get something clear: I am not defending Cakravarti/Blackadder. I believe the case against him is as weak as a wet noodle. But we've got no case on King, Randy, THE_SPLIT (although THE_SPLIT is lying low too). I think the case against Romeo is only marginally better. I think we're best pursuing Blackadder rather than attempting a switch with seven minutes left and getting blindsided by the wolves. I'm not against lynching Blackadder at all. A weak case beats no case.
 
Hopefully there is time to analyze the hunts, hoping they yield something that the votes did not.

We have AOK and Kingepyon v1.0 hunted on Night 0.

On Night 1, we have Najs and drxav. Drxav voted for Iago (wolf), so could be an attempt at finding a Seer that would have scanned Iago on Night 0.

On Night 2, OY and Rendap. OY voted on Iago day 1 and Mac Beth day 2. Rendap voted on Edmund (wolf) day 1, and Yukimura (villager) day 2

On Night 3, Boris and Najs. Boris voted for Edmund, Yukimura and Romeo, Najs voted for Titania, Touchstone and Mac Beth

On Night 4, Tamius (wolf) and EURO. EURO voted for Henry V, Touchstone, Mac Beth, and Edmund (outed).
 
I see the Najs and EURO hunts as the proposed Cakravarti pack trying to catch what they saw as a JL, since they were acting in bloc. If I'm right on packs, you can also look at the unknowns as potential hunters of AOK, although Napoleon XIX might have done that.
 
There is no order to my presentation of the hunts.
 
reis91 said:
Kiwi, careful with the assumption that hunts are ordered. It crossed my mind, but I wouldn't put my hands on the fire for Bagricula...
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I didn't assume that. But tamius stated his pack did not hunt AOK, and I have that pack as one of my guesses :p
 
I'm going to admit, it doesn't look good for me. It wouldn't help to point out that, as a wolf, I never target people who vote me precisely because it would create this situation, would it?
 
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