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I'd like to know what causes excommunication and if there are reasonable ways to get rid of it other than the (apparently rare) random event where you pay a huge bribe to the Pope. If there is a good thread on this already I'd appreciate a link to it; I didn't see one in the FAQs.

During my most recent game session, a new Papal Controller popped up and instantly my ruler was excommunicated. Possibly it was a coincidence, but the timing was certainly suspicious. The new Papal Controller is the Count of a province that I've never had anything to do with as far as I recall and my relations with him are decent at +100. So I'd like to know if this was just bad luck or if there was some definite cause for the excommunication.
 
jwolf said:
I'd like to know what causes excommunication and if there are reasonable ways to get rid of it other than the (apparently rare) random event where you pay a huge bribe to the Pope. If there is a good thread on this already I'd appreciate a link to it; I didn't see one in the FAQs.

During my most recent game session, a new Papal Controller popped up and instantly my ruler was excommunicated. Possibly it was a coincidence, but the timing was certainly suspicious. The new Papal Controller is the Count of a province that I've never had anything to do with as far as I recall and my relations with him are decent at +100. So I'd like to know if this was just bad luck or if there was some definite cause for the excommunication.
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Causes are e.g. if you rule a province adjacent to the pope or the papal controler.
And it happens if the pope has a higher prestige than you piety.
So if you get excommunicated your piety is too low.
 
jwolf said:
Interesting. Would you be safe, then, if you bordered neither of them?
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Not safe but safer. In my games it seems as if Pope and Papal controller target their neighbours first (if they have sufficient prestige to excommunicate them) and then they go on to farther rulers.
 
I'll have to mull this over and maybe rethink my strategy. Seems like the Papal Controller changes constantly so you can't really plan around that. But the Papal States have 2 provinces next to me in Hamburg (I'm playing Brandenburg) so maybe it would be worthwhile to hit them really hard and take those two away. That might not help for my current Duke but perhaps would make the long term situation a lot better.
 
jwolf said:
OK, so I got the random event to pay the Pope to remove the excommunication. Cost 5000, but I paid it. Then, instantly, my Duke was excommunicated again! That is just plain cheating. Obviously this game is set in its final form, but is that really WAD?
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Sure - how high is the piety of your ruler and how high the prestige of the pope?
 
I don't know what the Pope's prestige is. My Duke's piety was around 150 when he first got excommunicated; events then kept dropping it down to near zero. My objection isn't with the first excommunication, but rather with the second, right after the first one was lifted. WAD or not, it's utterly preposterous and game breaking. I am inclined now simply to reload whenever an excommunication is triggered.

BTW is there a diplomatic option to negotiate with or threaten the Pope in order to come to an agreement? That was certainly very common in the CK era. An excommunication of a ruler was a political act with a political goal. Perhaps, I hope, this will have a more logical implementation in CK2.
 
jwolf said:
I don't know what the Pope's prestige is.
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Why not? The pope is a ruler like anyone else so simply take a look.

My Duke's piety was around 150 when he first got excommunicated; events then kept dropping it down to near zero.
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With that low piety you are alway in danger of being excommunicated. Perhaps grant a county to a bishop to raise piety or go crusading?

My objection isn't with the first excommunication, but rather with the second, right after the first one was lifted. WAD or not, it's utterly preposterous and game breaking. I am inclined now simply to reload whenever an excommunication is triggered.
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The pope is greedy and will take money for everything. So as long as he can he or the papal controller through him will continue to excommunicate people. Why are you not the papal controller? ;-)

I find it an advantage in my games as claims are CHEAP to get as long as someone is excommunicated.
 
Sounds like the Pope is repeatedly extorting him. :O That sucks.

I would think he should be immune to a new excommunication, from the same Pope, for a period of time after paying him off. I guess that safeguard was never put in the game?
 
Nefaro said:
Sounds like the Pope is repeatedly extorting him. :O That sucks.

I would think he should be immune to a new excommunication, from the same Pope, for a period of time after paying him off. I guess that safeguard was never put in the game?
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Why should it? There have been rulers who were excomunicated several times. Perhaps instead of complaining that the pope is excommunicating him he should start to consider what he is doing wrong. Not enough piety? Bad christian ruler.
Not the papal controller himself because you never made a large Archbishop who became the next pope? Well then don´t bitch that a pope not under your control will target you.
 
Rival of a friend of the Papal Controler

I was one excomunicated and wasnt bordering the papal state nor the papal controler. Neiter did i have a specific realtionship with one of those, BUT i was the rival of a friend of the papal controller. So maybe that was the reason i got excommunicated. Check this!
Just my 2 cents...
 
Aardvark Bellay said:
I was one excomunicated and wasnt bordering the papal state nor the papal controler. Neiter did i have a specific realtionship with one of those, BUT i was the rival of a friend of the papal controller. So maybe that was the reason i got excommunicated. Check this!
Just my 2 cents...
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Yes, being a rival of the PC can result in your excommunication.
 
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