Sepuku...too hard

[Conquiztador]

Hi i noticed that if you want somone to commit sepuku he must have below 15 honor

I say this isn t a really good idea.

IT s almolst impossible for a AI character to have below 15,because honor regenerates quick.

So cand this be modified,so that it won t require honor?(in reality japanese were making sepuku wiotuth question,everytime when the daymio pleased)

And maybe made an event,where if a character doesn t want to commit sepuku to defect.

 

[Drakken]

Uh no, they were certainly not committing seppuku without question, and left and right. Each needless vassal made to commit seppuku without just cause would make other vassals uneasy. There were other options, like banishment or retire to a monastery.

If they knew their Lord would force them to commit seppuku just because he doesn't like them, they would certainly strike first or plot to defect. Only when cornered or without option would they "submit" and slit their belly.

 

[unperson]

You can use a ninja mission to reduce their honor.

 

[unmerged(2456)]

You can also spend some of your honor to force them to retire to a monetary. I did that with one of my wives when I needed an heir.

 

[Eretrios]

Hmm, I think that Sepuku was considered as an honorable death (compared to banishment which would have been seen as a deshonor). So maybe a Daimyo requiring without reason Sepuku from his vassals would mess with his own honor and relations with his other vassals.
But I can't see a Samurai refusing to commit Sepuku as requested by his liege and still being a Samurai ...

 

[Drakken]

Hmm, I think that Sepuku was considered as an honorable death (compared to banishment which would have been seen as a deshonor). So maybe a Daimyo requiring without reason Sepuku from his vassals would mess with his own honor and relations with his other vassals.
But I can't see a Samurai refusing to commit Sepuku as requested by his liege and still being a Samurai ...

There was no nobility or idea of chivalry to be a samurai. Plenty of examples of treacherous, back-stabbing, lying and plotting samurai exist. That will come later when samurai will have become almost useless during the Edo period.

By the time you were "requested" to end your life, though, it was usually too late.

 

[Secret Master]

This might seem a bit strange, but if you really want your vassal to die, why not assassinate them? Ninjas don't care how much honor the target has, and it costs you less honor to assassinate them than it does to force them to commit seppuku.

And if you are worried about their plotting, you could start revoking their titles, but that costs you some honor.

 

[Blastaz]

Uh no, they were certainly not committing seppuku without question, and left and right. QUOTE]

This cracked me up recently, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oda_Nobunaga#Unification_of_Owari_Province "Nobunaga was said to have acted outrageously, throwing the ceremonial incense at the altar... Hirate Masahide, who was a valuable mentor and retainer to Nobunaga, was ashamed by Nobunaga's behavior and performed seppuku" Yeah you totally messed up that funeral \belly.

 

[Drakken]

This cracked me up recently, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oda_Nobunaga#Unification_of_Owari_Province "Nobunaga was said to have acted outrageously, throwing the ceremonial incense at the altar... Hirate Masahide, who was a valuable mentor and retainer to Nobunaga, was ashamed by Nobunaga's behavior and performed seppuku" Yeah you totally messed up that funeral \belly.

Hirate Masahide choose to do this on his own accord because it was the only way that he saw to make his point across. And it worked wonders with Nobunaga to straighten him up.

Seppuku could be used in that fashion as well, or for atonement, or to make an example or a point. But they certainly weren't doing it left and right without just reason.

 

[DarthJF]

Seppuku could be used in that fashion as well, or for atonement, or to make an example or a point. But they certainly weren't doing it left and right without just reason.

And any feudal lord demanding his vassals to commit seppuku on a whim would see them abandoning him, and likely find a ninja in the night, or face an outright rebellion of his former retainers.