Actually, that discussion never suggested that the wolves should hunt all good players. That merely compensates for a lack of skill. No, the argument was that the wolves need to become better at hiding their wolfishness.
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Actually, that discussion never suggested that the wolves should hunt all good players. That merely compensates for a lack of skill. No, the argument was that the wolves need to become better at hiding their wolfishness.
Died early again have I. Surprised I am not. Failed, this village has. Into exile it must go.
After the yesterday's fail, you decided to concentrate on other suspicious targets. One of your comrades sounds too much as a dog. And isn't a dog just a kind of wolf? Off the cliff with him.
But during the 'lynching', one of your herd suddenly cried Baaa and fell into the water as well. Someone pushed it off. But who?
Snoopdogg (sheep) was lynched by the village.
Kingepyon (sheep) was eaten by the wolves.
But during the 'lynching', one of your herd suddenly cried Baaa and fell into the water as well. Someone pushed it off. But who?
Snoopdogg (sheep) was lynched by the village.
Kingepyon (sheep) was eaten by the wolves.
Playing smart isn't eliminating all threats, it's playing with these threats and turning them around. What you call playing smart is playing dumb.
I've just grown tired of having the "veterans" die early in the game. I suppose this will get to their nerves at some point and they'll stop playing hte game. And all you'll be left with will be "I'm Lite" and "glorious tie" players that just sit around and let things happen.
I survived until parity, well, I couldn't care less about your opinion on how I play this game. All I know now is that when I was a wolf in the last big I didn't go for the "veterans", who aren't such a big threat anyways, and that was a damn good game. Yes, I lost, so what? My pack was so obsessed with EURO the entire game they wanted to hunt him for 3 or 4 nights before I died, and when I died, the first thing they did was hunt him. That was a bad move that just makes the game boring.
I reckon the Cluedo game was very interesting because we just RPed and people stopped caring about the names and just focused on the actions. And the veterans didn't die early, and we all had fun.
Now don't try and turn this thing around saying you just did your best to win the game, you won an implayable variant of the game and won because the village was stupid enough or didn't care about the game to let a tie happen then just go mayhem.
You basically did nothing but hunt veterans. The other pack didn't, but you'll not pretend you're innocent and just played randomly, one pack was going for supposedly dangerous players like Kiwi or Snoop. Just 2 people you'll say? There were only 3 turns in that stupid game.
Everyone noticed how your pack was just about eliminating veterans, don't pretend like you didn't know what you were doing.
E: And there, snoop just returns to play this and got hunted/lynched for the past 5 or so games. That's just plain ridiculous.
I've just grown tired of having the "veterans" die early in the game. I suppose this will get to their nerves at some point and they'll stop playing hte game. And all you'll be left with will be "I'm Lite" and "glorious tie" players that just sit around and let things happen.
I survived until parity, well, I couldn't care less about your opinion on how I play this game. All I know now is that when I was a wolf in the last big I didn't go for the "veterans", who aren't such a big threat anyways, and that was a damn good game. Yes, I lost, so what? My pack was so obsessed with EURO the entire game they wanted to hunt him for 3 or 4 nights before I died, and when I died, the first thing they did was hunt him. That was a bad move that just makes the game boring.
I reckon the Cluedo game was very interesting because we just RPed and people stopped caring about the names and just focused on the actions. And the veterans didn't die early, and we all had fun.
Now don't try and turn this thing around saying you just did your best to win the game, you won an implayable variant of the game and won because the village was stupid enough or didn't care about the game to let a tie happen then just go mayhem.
You basically did nothing but hunt veterans. The other pack didn't, but you'll not pretend you're innocent and just played randomly, one pack was going for supposedly dangerous players like Kiwi or Snoop. Just 2 people you'll say? There were only 3 turns in that stupid game.
Everyone noticed how your pack was just about eliminating veterans, don't pretend like you didn't know what you were doing.
E: And there, snoop just returns to play this and got hunted/lynched for the past 5 or so games. That's just plain ridiculous.
That is not hair splitting. I corrected your, in my opinion, incorrect belief that skill=hunting good players. I agree 100% with drxav on that point. Purposely hunting skilled people shows that the wolves lack confidence and resort to cowardice to win. This also has the unfortunate side-effect of making it considerably less worthwhile to actually be good at this game.
It's not the wolves' responsability to make the game interesting, and certainly not if it requires subpar play. It's the GM who's responsible for making an interesting game.
Xav, can you read minds? Cause if not, please stop pretending you know our motivations better than we did.
My hunting pattern has always been the same: hunt the villagers that are a threat. If there's no clear threat, go for a random non-newbie.
And guess what? Experienced players will typically display better analysis during a game, thus posing a greater threat! So yeah, the whole game *is* skewed against those who got good by playing a lot. I would hope that those people have also played wolf enough to realise that their skills do put a big bullseye on them. I would also think that they approve of the current attempts to force people to think and not just sleep to a victory on a single vote post a day, because the *only* way they'll improve that situation is by having more people with good skills.
So please start doing your part, start analysing *this* game and stop replaying the last one. Meta is fine for day 1, but we're on day 3 already.
"Turning them around" is an empty phrase, totally meaningless. That's not an actual course of action. You might as well say "flibbity-flobbity-floo" them.
Thanks for admitting that you're pursuing a totally fabricated case against me. I hunted Esemesas and Napoleon XIX, neither of whom are "veterans". Ese is a self-avowed non-"veteran", he's played about the same number of games as me, and Napoleon's played maybe a half-dozen games. The Napoleon XIX order reverted onto Capt. Kiwi because Napoleon XIX got lynched. At least Capt. Kiwi is a useful goodie, but he's no veteran, and I obviously wasn't targeting him particularly because it had to revert onto him. You're talking out of your arse.
You're the one who screamed about killing all the useful players, and leaving only idiots in. Not me. It was your own statement. I actually think that when you're not being a fool, like now, you're a successful villager. If I was interested in hunting skilled villagers I'd have eliminated you early on, but you survived until the end. Again, your whole tantrum is based on nothing at all.
This has nothing to do with it. Better yet, you've scored an own goal: you're admitting that hunting "veterans" isn't equivalent to hunting "threats" which invalidates your cowardice argument. Although, it was already debunked because I hadn't targeted any of your precious "veterans" anyway.
Again, totally irrelevant.
I lost Meso II. Pay attention.
Are you in reality anymore? There were five nights, not three, and I submitted two hunts. Five nights. Five. Are you reading this? Five. Go back and check.
Of those I ordered two hunts. Neither of those was issued on Snoopdogg. I have never, in any game, ordered a hunt on Snoopdogg.
The other hunt was placed on Napoleon XIX, but he got lynched and it went to the backup, Capt. Kiwi, as I've already pointed out.
You couldn't be any more wrong if you tried. Esemesas, Malurous, and Napoleon XIX are all veterans now?
Your whole hissy fit, screaming and kicking, is about something that never even happened. Read it again: it never happened. Come back to reality, Drxav, we're waiting. You're embarrassing yourself, losing your temper and now pursuing an idiotic vendetta over something that didn't even happen.
And whose fault is it he got lynched? I said repeatedly that the case against him was as weak as piss, but if I'd refused to swap to him when Najs pointed out OY had just been killed in the Big then everyone would have read that as protecting a packmate. If anyone had bothered listening to me he wouldn't even have been a candidate. So much for me mercilessly pursuing veterans.
There is no reason not to hunt people hurting your side in a game. The problem people get into is they think certain people by default are more likely to cause harm. In Big this can backfire at extreme degrees. I have seen trait loaded sorcerers die night 1 or 2 because they were a vet and for no other reasons. Big can backfire obviously in many ways, cursed is random so hunting with a pattern is a very good way to miss out on cursed players.
Lite wise, it is bad to target certain people night 1 or 2 just because as well. Very poor sportsmanship but also it takes away the chance a vet player totally misreads the wolfpack and burns the village for the wolves on accident. Also again hunting via strict pattern lowers the odds of nailing a seer unless someone is just that awesome at hitting seers, never hardly met someone else to such.
edit: oh, replaying last game's' is a good way to lose this one and get a bad reputation. Now...there ARE good reasons for revenge killings. But if it isn't someone you have a fun running grudge with doing so rarely ends well for all involved. It can also be a good way to stand up for ones self if hunted too often by certain people though.
Lite wise, it is bad to target certain people night 1 or 2 just because as well. Very poor sportsmanship but also it takes away the chance a vet player totally misreads the wolfpack and burns the village for the wolves on accident. Also again hunting via strict pattern lowers the odds of nailing a seer unless someone is just that awesome at hitting seers, never hardly met someone else to such.
edit: oh, replaying last game's' is a good way to lose this one and get a bad reputation. Now...there ARE good reasons for revenge killings. But if it isn't someone you have a fun running grudge with doing so rarely ends well for all involved. It can also be a good way to stand up for ones self if hunted too often by certain people though.
That's not how Werewolf works.
And stop whining about snoop getting killed earlyish in 5 straight games. Many people, including snoop, have had much longer streaks of getting killed early than that. It's just a run of bad luck. Not to mention... 5 games ago he won. So... someone needs to check their stats on who's getting killed early.
Vote drxav
Thanks for reminding me. We need one of our Lemeard's gone and Davis is probably the biggest liability as of now.
Vote Davisx3m
So, is this a Vainglory + Najs pack? Didn't read the last pages with due care, but it's the thing that stuck in my head.
maybe. This game has... been odd so far. Kinda confusing for me. I asked this yesterday, but never got a response. Why was OY run up? His run up and save seemed strange. I think if he wasn't killed in the biggie he would have died here, too.
And I agree about the Davis votes. Those are odd also.
Vote Tamius
as a semi-placeholder. I want to get a better look at the lay of the pasture (for better grass) in the morning.
Vote Najs. I know it's good excuse to save someone, but big and lite games are different games.
OrangeYoshi, both yesterday and the day before, had refused to commit himself to the main voting action. For some reason the previous pages won't load for me, but yesterday he didn't vote early in the day when he had the chance, and instead waited for others to choose who to run up. I can't check what he eventually ended up doing because the page won't load. On day one, instead of picking one of the three main candidates he placed a throwaway.
That was the extent of the argument. I was the one who made it, when I was questioning Vainglory on why he voted Enkhuush for no reason when we had other people with at least tenuous reasons for running up. Napoleon voted OrangeYoshi immediately following that.