Werewolf CXIII : The Springtime of Nations

[tamius23]

Well if he dies this time and is good, then clearly we (well at least I) won't be as suspicious of him for it anymore.

That's metagaming for metagaming's sake.

 

[TheExecuter]

10 - esemesas - Vainglory [368], rendap [380], randakar [389], Cakravarti [415], snoopdog [426], johho888 [436], Kingepyon [441], TheFreeman [455], drxav [459], tamius23 [476]
4 – tamius23 – XenomorphII [466], TheExecuter [468], Sedracus [473], esemesas [475]
3 – Randakar – enkhuush [353], Adamus [394], Rysz [433]
2 - Sedracus – Bagricula [370], Boris ze Spider [397]
2 - Humancalculator – trespoe [375], Najs [393]
1 - TheExecuter – walrus [439]
1 - Drxav – Lord Strange [398]
1 – AVN (Tornadoli) – Eternally_Lost [442]
1 – Rysz – AVN [457]

Not sure why you think you are in real danger, tamius23...you don't have to vote esemesas if you don't want to.

 

[XenomorphII]

That's metagaming for metagaming's sake.

That was meant as a joke actually, not seriously. Although clearly you are too defensive now so you must be a wolf, and for defending you in your defense so is vain.

 

[esemesas]

So, I'm lynched because I didn't pay attention when the "big bosses" discussed their winning strategy... Great, just great, I hope Vainglory gets lynched after you see that I'm a villager.

 

[tamius23]

Although clearly you are too defensive now so you must be a wolf,

You started out with "you're not defensive" or rather "you're not as vocal as you normally are" followed by "you're defensive" or "you're vocal now".

I'm not in real danger, so I'll

Unvote esemesas
Vote XenomorphII

for circular reasoning. Let that be a lesson to you.

 

[trespoe]

So...last night, I did some thinking.

Why would randakar use the leader trait on the FIRST DAY, unless he knew exactly who he was saving AND killing? Is he good? If so, how could he take the risk of killing the seer? Is he bad? How did he know who the seer was? The risks are appallingly high either way, and extreme play is generally frowned upon amongst the veterans here. Things do not add up. However...

Let's travel a what-if scenario....

What if Randakar is a Paranoid, Leader wolf. He would want to be scanned ASAP, correct? Hey presto, BEFORE WE EVEN HAD NIGHT ZERO, Randakar posts the following:



This post daring the seer to scan him. He does get scanned. Now knowing the identity of the seer, he and his pack manipulate the voting so that the seer has at least half the votes of the lead candidate, knowing the randakar will be able to thus remove Kiwi.

If this is plausible, and I think it fits the story of what happened yesterday better than randakar's protestations of innocence, then we should find more wolves in the vote switches in or out of the list on Kiwi.

I find it hard to believe that a player of randakar's ability would use the leaderlynch so flippantly on day 1 while simultaneously being ignorant of any players involved.

One problem is he posted that brutal order on Day 1, before Kiwi would have had a chance to scan him. Your timeline is off.

I consider Randakar the most villagerish of everyone. I would even suggest people contact him instead of drxav.

Unless your name is Johho I would seriously doubt that Reis would make baddies the first two leaders, much less leader #1. Yeah, Randakar would be a goodie in my book.

The opposing priests? I was musing about that last night before bed in that it would be interesting to have someone denounce drxav, and lo and behold it happened. I cannot make sense of that. I don't know who is lying, but at least drxav had made some sense, but if he was a wolf, and the seer dead, who would argue he isn't unless it was the true priest.

I do know that TheExecuter trying to argue against Randakar doesn't make sense if you really think about it.

Unvote humancalculator

Vote TheExecuter

 

[Vainglory]

So, I'm lynched because I didn't pay attention when the "big bosses" discussed their winning strategy... Great, just great, I hope Vainglory gets lynched after you see that I'm a villager.

A/B(/C), D/E(/F) is as old as the hills. What purpose does a 4 or 5 way race serve?

 

[randakar]

Oh, and please, rather than waste your brutal on some random person who votes you last...put it on me. If you die, I will thoroughly deserve being brutalized at your hand.

No, I'll leave it as is. That is by far the best way to discourage people from voting me - the certainty that whoever placed the last still-valid vote on me will die.

Really? Please point to the part in the PMs where I give you anything regarding my role, or my traits...

What does your 'outing' really consist of, randakar? You keep saying I'm a wolf...but what do you have to show that you are right?

Oh please. First you go ask me circumspectly if I am a wolf with your "my what big claims you have" reference to little red riding hood, then when I tell you claiming to be a wolf would be bad for my health and I would be stupid to do so, you reply "then we are stupid" or something to that effect. You were clearly insinuating that you are a baddie, full stop. And to top it all off you end this with ensuring me you won't do something against me even though you clearly believe me to be bad.

Obviously you believe the best defense is a good offense. I can't fault you for that, and I salute the effort. But you are Evil, and therefore must die.

I agree that we have great information on you in the form of what happened yesterday...you leaderlynched the seer. That, in and of itself, ought to make you a prime suspect for lynching today.

I saved the priest. Or someone who made a very good claim to that effect.
*shrug*

Rysz promotes the lynch of randy (which doesn't make sense as argued by many villagers now), so therefore I think it makes sense to promote the lynching of Rysz.

Vote Rysz

Rysz is a big suspect to me, too. And esemesas has too many votes.

Unvote esemesas
Vote Rysz

 

[TheExecuter]

One problem is he posted that brutal order on Day 1, before Kiwi would have had a chance to scan him. Your timeline is off.

Yes, exactly. That was the point. He WANTED to be scanned, under the logic in my post.

I consider Randakar the most villagerish of everyone. I would even suggest people contact him instead of drxav.

Unless your name is Johho I would seriously doubt that Reis would make baddies the first two leaders, much less leader #1. Yeah, Randakar would be a goodie in my book.

The leader order is indeed the reason why I have abandoned my former line of reasoning...do try to keep up!

 

[Vainglory]

I don't approve of the bandwagon at all and Randy's given us new information:

Unvote Esemesas
Vote TheExecutor

 

[TheExecuter]

I don't approve of the bandwagon at all and Randy's given us new information:

Unvote Esemesas
Vote TheExecutor

Randy has not given you ANY new information...

It's all in the old posts over the PMs.

In case you want to know, here is the relevant parts.

Are you claiming to be a hunter here?
Hunts I can do nothing against. Be it wolves or otherwise.

As for letting you know about forming justice leagues .. why would I trust you with information like that?

Am I claiming to be a hunter? Are you claiming to be a brutal wolf?

Don't be silly. Going around telling people that sort of thing is a good way to die early.

Then we'll die early.

This is why it's a good idea to not tell people that sort of thing

 

[Boris ze Spider]

Vote Rysz, voting Randy seems strange

 

[trespoe]

Last night my mother suffered a major stroke so I won't be able to participate as planned and therfore ask to be subbed out.

sorry to hear that. I wish the best of luck.

 

[drxav]

I'm disappointed we haven't remained disciplined around using 3-way ties

This doesn't work. It's just crap.


unvote esemesas

vote tamius

 

[randakar]

Gief count.

 

[randakar]

In case you want to know, here is the relevant parts.

You're missing the bit about "my what big claims you have" and little red riding hood.
Not that it matters.. the originals are comprehensive enough, I bet.

 

[AVN]

@randy & drxav

You are (IMHO) both villagers. And most likely important ones (in fact I think you are both part of the JL).
I know you have been in contact with each other and I guess that's still the case.

However you are both advocating the lynching of different villagers.
I have to say that's quite confusing ...

Are you still talking and discussing the strategy which has to be followed in this game with each other ?

 

[TheExecuter]

6 - esemesas - rendap [380], Cakravarti [415], snoopdog [426], johho888 [436], Kingepyon [441], TheFreeman [455]
5 – tamius23 – XenomorphII [466], TheExecuter [468], Sedracus [473], esemesas [475], drxav [494]
3 – Randakar – enkhuush [353], Adamus [394], Rysz [433]
3 - TheExecuter – walrus [439], trespoe [486], Vainglory [490]
2 - Sedracus – Bagricula [370], Boris ze Spider [397]
2 – Rysz – AVN [457], randakar [488]
1 - Humancalculator – Najs [393]
1 - Drxav – Lord Strange [398]
1 – AVN (Tornadoli) – Eternally_Lost [442]
1 - XenomorphII - tamius23 [485]

 

[Boris ze Spider]

Thought I voted sed

 

[Rockingluke]

My free time has vanished! I'm afraid I can no longer play.