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I'm well aware of the outing. But I'm not going to vote for Adamus. Firstly it's not going to make any difference, secondly yet again the JL has made an outing at the beginning of the day. Originally my main concern against this was the lack of voting information we received. I'm not so much worried about that now. I have no idea how many baddies are left but I would guess very little, and I feel pretty confident my side will win the game.
My point is that me, and I suspect many others, have been reduced to spectators in this game. I don't blame Paendrag et al for doing their job (clearly they're doing it very well) but because of the way the outings have been so early, it completely ruins any interest in the game for everyone who's not in the JL or a wolfpack. As long as the JL makes an announcement early in the day then there is simply no point in me playing this game, and therefore I won't vote for the approved candidate, and would humbly ask Paendrag to please delay the outings, not to get more voting info but simply to give villagers like me something to actually do.
Of course, maybe its just me. Perhaps other non-JL villagers are having an amazing time, and if so please correct me. But somehow I doubt it.
I feel sorry for EURO for the way this game has turned out, I doubt he would have wanted a straight out battle between a united JL and the wolves, but that's the way it has been. Again, I have nothing against the members of the JL, they're just playing the game to the best of their ability and they're probably having an enjoyable game, but I'm just pointing out that JL's like this make the game much more boring for everyone else. (Having not played werewolf for several months maybe this type of game isn't very common, I don't know. If its a one-off occurence then maybe its not a big deal.)
Ages ago there used to be a greater emphasis on reducing the influence of the JL in Big games, from GM's like White Daimon especially. Perhaps I should've waited to say this until the game was over, but I think there's a need to re-evaluate the role of the JL in werewolf and hopefully to take some steps to try and make it less powerful in future: maybe it was just the fluke of Paendrag's SA being activated, or perhaps the fairly traditional set-up EUROO7 has gone for could be modified slightly to make games like this less common. Obviously this discussion should be left until this game has run its course.

Rant over. Apologies if I've sidetracked the game a little, but there doesn't seem to be much discussion going on.
 
Vote Adamus

what marty said. I gave up thought a long time ago.
 
I'm well aware of the outing. But I'm not going to vote for Adamus. Firstly it's not going to make any difference, secondly yet again the JL has made an outing at the beginning of the day. Originally my main concern against this was the lack of voting information we received. I'm not so much worried about that now. I have no idea how many baddies are left but I would guess very little, and I feel pretty confident my side will win the game.
My point is that me, and I suspect many others, have been reduced to spectators in this game. I don't blame Paendrag et al for doing their job (clearly they're doing it very well) but because of the way the outings have been so early, it completely ruins any interest in the game for everyone who's not in the JL or a wolfpack. As long as the JL makes an announcement early in the day then there is simply no point in me playing this game, and therefore I won't vote for the approved candidate, and would humbly ask Paendrag to please delay the outings, not to get more voting info but simply to give villagers like me something to actually do.
Of course, maybe its just me. Perhaps other non-JL villagers are having an amazing time, and if so please correct me. But somehow I doubt it.
I feel sorry for EURO for the way this game has turned out, I doubt he would have wanted a straight out battle between a united JL and the wolves, but that's the way it has been. Again, I have nothing against the members of the JL, they're just playing the game to the best of their ability and they're probably having an enjoyable game, but I'm just pointing out that JL's like this make the game much more boring for everyone else. (Having not played werewolf for several months maybe this type of game isn't very common, I don't know. If its a one-off occurence then maybe its not a big deal.)
Ages ago there used to be a greater emphasis on reducing the influence of the JL in Big games, from GM's like White Daimon especially. Perhaps I should've waited to say this until the game was over, but I think there's a need to re-evaluate the role of the JL in werewolf and hopefully to take some steps to try and make it less powerful in future: maybe it was just the fluke of Paendrag's SA being activated, or perhaps the fairly traditional set-up EUROO7 has gone for could be modified slightly to make games like this less common. Obviously this discussion should be left until this game has run its course.

Rant over. Apologies if I've sidetracked the game a little, but there doesn't seem to be much discussion going on.

Vote Adamus

what marty said. I gave up thought a long time ago.

I was actually thinking the same some days ago what a boring game this would be if you are not a part of any of the enlightened on either side.. These new twists have made PM conversation flood my inbox and instead very little is being decided out in the thread.. I't has never been my wish to exclude anyone but some moves had to been made to secure certain actions.. If you have any idea what I should do to make this game more enjoyable I'll try to do my best to do just that.. But then things happen like I was called off to work today not knowing if I would make it back before deadline.. But you're right in that this is not the way I'd like to play WW if I was a standing on teh sideline.. Do you want me to release my suspect list?.. Or should I always make a run up of severeal people?
 
I was actually thinking the same some days ago what a boring game this would be if you are not a part of any of the enlightened on either side.. These new twists have made PM conversation flood my inbox and instead very little is being decided out in the thread.. I't has never been my wish to exclude anyone but some moves had to been made to secure certain actions.. If you have any idea what I should do to make this game more enjoyable I'll try to do my best to do just that.. But then things happen like I was called off to work today not knowing if I would make it back before deadline.. But you're right in that this is not the way I'd like to play WW if I was a standing on teh sideline.. Do you want me to release my suspect list?.. Or should I always make a run up of severeal people?

Just don't run up me, I have too few victories.
 
I'm well aware of the outing. But I'm not going to vote for Adamus. Firstly it's not going to make any difference, secondly yet again the JL has made an outing at the beginning of the day. Originally my main concern against this was the lack of voting information we received. I'm not so much worried about that now. I have no idea how many baddies are left but I would guess very little, and I feel pretty confident my side will win the game.
My point is that me, and I suspect many others, have been reduced to spectators in this game. I don't blame Paendrag et al for doing their job (clearly they're doing it very well) but because of the way the outings have been so early, it completely ruins any interest in the game for everyone who's not in the JL or a wolfpack. As long as the JL makes an announcement early in the day then there is simply no point in me playing this game, and therefore I won't vote for the approved candidate, and would humbly ask Paendrag to please delay the outings, not to get more voting info but simply to give villagers like me something to actually do.
Of course, maybe its just me. Perhaps other non-JL villagers are having an amazing time, and if so please correct me. But somehow I doubt it.
I feel sorry for EURO for the way this game has turned out, I doubt he would have wanted a straight out battle between a united JL and the wolves, but that's the way it has been. Again, I have nothing against the members of the JL, they're just playing the game to the best of their ability and they're probably having an enjoyable game, but I'm just pointing out that JL's like this make the game much more boring for everyone else. (Having not played werewolf for several months maybe this type of game isn't very common, I don't know. If its a one-off occurence then maybe its not a big deal.)
Ages ago there used to be a greater emphasis on reducing the influence of the JL in Big games, from GM's like White Daimon especially. Perhaps I should've waited to say this until the game was over, but I think there's a need to re-evaluate the role of the JL in werewolf and hopefully to take some steps to try and make it less powerful in future: maybe it was just the fluke of Paendrag's SA being activated, or perhaps the fairly traditional set-up EUROO7 has gone for could be modified slightly to make games like this less common. Obviously this discussion should be left until this game has run its course.

Rant over. Apologies if I've sidetracked the game a little, but there doesn't seem to be much discussion going on.

I know a perfect way of nerfing the JL... Make everyone cursed. Instant success!
 
I was actually thinking the same some days ago what a boring game this would be if you are not a part of any of the enlightened on either side.. These new twists have made PM conversation flood my inbox and instead very little is being decided out in the thread.. I't has never been my wish to exclude anyone but some moves had to been made to secure certain actions.. If you have any idea what I should do to make this game more enjoyable I'll try to do my best to do just that.. But then things happen like I was called off to work today not knowing if I would make it back before deadline.. But you're right in that this is not the way I'd like to play WW if I was a standing on teh sideline.. Do you want me to release my suspect list?.. Or should I always make a run up of severeal people?
I understand your reasons for not being able to leave the outing until later, and I appreciate your concern for us unknowing peasants :p
See, I'm not sure what can be done to make it more interesting...obviously you can't release too much information. But if you have like a s**tload of scanned people maybe you could release a list of people completely unscanned. Depending on the circumstances of your JL something along those lines may or may not be feasible. A suspect list, hmmm...if its quite small then you probably could release that, as long as its not larger than 4 or 5 (out of a remaining pool of roughly 25, I think, although I can't be bothered to trawl through the updates to find out exactly how many are still alive) I would guess it wouldn't give the wolves too much information about who could be in the inner circle of the JL.
Running up several people I think would be a bit better, perhaps not for actual analysis but it would give us something to do. As long as you're not endangering someone important then I think thats a decent idea.
If anyone else has any ideas about how the JL could involve the village a bit more without compromising anyone, please say them.
Whatever, obviously the JL would have to consider any of this before giving it the green light. But thanks again for trying to help, Paen :)
 
Uh yeah, looks like we're following the JL here.

Vote Adamus
 
Vote adamus
 
I understand your reasons for not being able to leave the outing until later, and I appreciate your concern for us unknowing peasants :p
See, I'm not sure what can be done to make it more interesting...obviously you can't release too much information. But if you have like a s**tload of scanned people maybe you could release a list of people completely unscanned. Depending on the circumstances of your JL something along those lines may or may not be feasible. A suspect list, hmmm...if its quite small then you probably could release that, as long as its not larger than 4 or 5 (out of a remaining pool of roughly 25, I think, although I can't be bothered to trawl through the updates to find out exactly how many are still alive) I would guess it wouldn't give the wolves too much information about who could be in the inner circle of the JL.
Running up several people I think would be a bit better, perhaps not for actual analysis but it would give us something to do. As long as you're not endangering someone important then I think thats a decent idea.
If anyone else has any ideas about how the JL could involve the village a bit more without compromising anyone, please say them.
Whatever, obviously the JL would have to consider any of this before giving it the green light. But thanks again for trying to help, Paen :)

I think we are living up to the title thread and we now understand what Euroo7 is like inside his head.

And giving up thinking? plays right along with that.

And suspicions, and rivalries, and....
 
Vote Adamus
 
I'm well aware of the outing. But I'm not going to vote for Adamus. Firstly it's not going to make any difference, secondly yet again the JL has made an outing at the beginning of the day. Originally my main concern against this was the lack of voting information we received. I'm not so much worried about that now. I have no idea how many baddies are left but I would guess very little, and I feel pretty confident my side will win the game.
My point is that me, and I suspect many others, have been reduced to spectators in this game. I don't blame Paendrag et al for doing their job (clearly they're doing it very well) but because of the way the outings have been so early, it completely ruins any interest in the game for everyone who's not in the JL or a wolfpack. As long as the JL makes an announcement early in the day then there is simply no point in me playing this game, and therefore I won't vote for the approved candidate, and would humbly ask Paendrag to please delay the outings, not to get more voting info but simply to give villagers like me something to actually do.
Of course, maybe its just me. Perhaps other non-JL villagers are having an amazing time, and if so please correct me. But somehow I doubt it.
I feel sorry for EURO for the way this game has turned out, I doubt he would have wanted a straight out battle between a united JL and the wolves, but that's the way it has been. Again, I have nothing against the members of the JL, they're just playing the game to the best of their ability and they're probably having an enjoyable game, but I'm just pointing out that JL's like this make the game much more boring for everyone else. (Having not played werewolf for several months maybe this type of game isn't very common, I don't know. If its a one-off occurence then maybe its not a big deal.)
Ages ago there used to be a greater emphasis on reducing the influence of the JL in Big games, from GM's like White Daimon especially. Perhaps I should've waited to say this until the game was over, but I think there's a need to re-evaluate the role of the JL in werewolf and hopefully to take some steps to try and make it less powerful in future: maybe it was just the fluke of Paendrag's SA being activated, or perhaps the fairly traditional set-up EUROO7 has gone for could be modified slightly to make games like this less common. Obviously this discussion should be left until this game has run its course.

Rant over. Apologies if I've sidetracked the game a little, but there doesn't seem to be much discussion going on.

Yes.
 
For the record, I fully agree with this. Outings need to be done as late as humanly possible.
And if you want to get an *interesting* game, try to get your targets lynched without an outing... :)
 
Line is dead?
 
Man of Science, Man of Faith

Prejudice aka Man of Science aka Adamus aka the Sorcerer aka the lynched
Ecstacy aka Formerly Cursed emotion now Detriment aka Walrus aka turned werewolf of pack C aka the hunted