Grant title screen

[GShock]

We need to know EXACTLY how many titles and lands a vassal has before giving him more power (you never know eheheheh). I suggest listing the small icons of kokujin and Daymio (the circle with 3 dots and the golden cross) along the portraits in the grant title screen.

We also need this kind of visualization in the Clan Leader screen, where all the vasssals (tab) are listed.

Currently we only see if a guy is Daymio or Kokujin in the latter screen but we also see the number of provinces he's kokujin of.
Now, we have a HIGHER tier in the game which is clan leader (subjugated) so this won't do, it' incomplete.

What we need is the small icons that depict how many Daymios AND Kokujins are under each subjugated Clan Leader.
This, naturally includes these vassals subvassals. So their numbers would be added to this display.

CL -> D -> K


In the example of a subjugated CL we need to see something like CL -> 4D -> 32K.
(Where CL is the red picture portrait that depicts Clan leaders, D is the small golden cross used for Daymio title and K is the red circle with 3 dots used for Kokujin). Now THAT tells me this guy controls 32 provinces and if his opinion of me is low I better NOT give him more land.

We just need to replicate this style of depiction BOTH in the grant land screen and in the Clan Leader personal screen (at the vassal tab) otherwise it's a mess and not really helping as interface.

I hope you get this suggestion good for CK2 but that it is ported somehow to Sengoku.

 

[unmerged(382543)]

I immediately thought "never using this again" the first time I looked at the grant title screen and saw that there was no indicator of the territories my vassals held. I just hoard territory in the same group so I can quickly tell where my personal land ends and where my spoils of war begin. I'd prefer to have a bunch of randomly distributed stuff for my personal use but it's too clunky in the interface that way.

 

[GShock]

Well having in the grant title screen the 2 icons with the number of provinces would be just easy to check.
Currently you must go to the leader, look at the vassals tab and even there you must IGNORE the number of titles you see listed (only Kokujin is listed there btw).

1) You don't know how many Daymio titles a guy has
2) You don't know how many Kokujins the guy has, you just know HIS personal Kokujins but not how many vassals he controls... unless you go down his character and check HIS vassals.

That's 3 steps in total to find out this vital info we should see both in every character's vassal tab AND in the grant title screen.
Adding these 2 icons is a piece of cake in both screens, adding the translink that makes subvassals be counted in as vassals ALSO is a piece of cake... just a bit less but of undeniable usefulness.

I think the game would benefit if it was less static in the way it treats honor loss and attitude loss. Instead of using static values (-10 -15 etc) it should use (-10% -20% etc) that way the higher the insult/benefit, the higher the loss/increase.
When a guy reaches honor 70, he's virtually unopposed in his clan and that's what makes the sow dissent totally useless... but that's another story.

 

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I agree, GShock. I hope your idea, or something similar to it, is upcoming in the next patch.

 

[unmerged(113565)]

Agree, it one of those screens where the information you need is not there, so you close and go back to Liege / Vassal screen and check then you go back again

 

[Hister]

Great points GShock - devs I also support his views so something down the suggested line would be necessary in the patch.

 

[Zoft]

Thanks for the suggestions!

Something similar has been implemented in the internal version.

 

[GShock]

Zoft you have no idea who you're dealing with!

 

[Hister]

Thanks for the suggestions!

Something similar has been implemented in the internal version.

That's great news Zoft - much appreciated!

 

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While you're at it, maybe you could consider putting ambitions on the character list that opens when appointing council positions. It's another one of those menus where the required information is not readily available, so you have to pick each character, open up their character screen then close, reopen the court menu and look at another. This is complicated by the fact that the characters re-order themselves if you swap to appointing a different council position so its pretty awkward and time consuming. Better if the fist icon displays in the list for any characters that have an ambition, then you mouse over it and the tool tip tells you which position they would like. This would speed up the whole process a bit as I do spend time trying to appoint sons etc to get the stats boosts.