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Did not know about him, is he a historian?

Norwich is mostly known for being one of recent scholars to do a treatment of the Byzantine Empire. He had a 3-part series that was then abridged into A Short History of Byzantium. And then yeah, he's know for his A History of Venice.

edit: checking my copies - 90s for Byzantines and late 70s-80s for Venice.
 
My concern was about the risk Vikings don't get to Normandy when AI driven but looking at the events already provided I have seen they are granted Normandy by event. So there's no problem to solve.
Well, Normandy was not conquered by another state, like England by Normandy. It was rather colonized and then made nearly independent under their own rulers. I hope both effects are decently modelled with the current events.

I am less familiar with Apulia but so far, I believe the process was comparable.


Here is book about Venice:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/History-Ven...3834/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1322586299&sr=8-1

English speaking people seem to have read this book when scripting large parts of agceep Venice events.
Ok. The problem I have with books about Venice is that they are most often largely concerned with sixteenth and seventeenth centuries with the struggle against the Ottomans, and go rather quickly on the early centuries and the beginning of the expansion. Is that the case with this one?


About Italian events if someone understands Italian here is a good site with detailed descriptions of historical facts:

http://cronologia.leonardo.it/2001cron.htm
Yes, I knew about it. I cannot speak Italian at all but it is near enough to French to be able to read it. The site is quite reliable as far as I have seen.



Norwich is mostly known for being one of recent scholars to do a treatment of the Byzantine Empire. He had a 3-part series that was then abridged into A Short History of Byzantium. And then yeah, he's know for his A History of Venice.

edit: checking my copies - 90s for Byzantines and late 70s-80s for Venice.
Ok thanks for the info.
 
@ Third Angel considering the Papal influence on the crowns of Italy and the Empire (of Eastern Franks)

About GER_205016.

I would suggest that this event could be triggered by a specific PAP event in which Pope Formosus calls Arnulf for help against The Spoletans and crown it emperor (that's what my sources report but is this concerning with the crown of Eastern Franks as you described in your events?)

Effects will be
in action A: bad relations to ITA and good ones to GER, some money loss and the trigger to GER_205016
in action B, good relations to ITA and a double stab hit.


Then, in case of GER intervention and Arnulf's exit from Italy, a second PAP event in which Stephanus VI processes Formosus' "dead body". Effects will be good relations to ITA ruled by Lamberto (as to compensate the previous loss) and +1 stab.



More questions:
How have you dealt with the HRE boundaries? Is there a "huge events" file to represent the historical situation? According to the many nobles appointed "emperors" by the Pope currently in charge after 888, shouldn't those boundaries already be in the game or just wait for year 962? Another event should then be scripted in 1254 for the interregnum: no HRE province to be in game until 1273.

How have you dealt with the invasions of the Magyars? I couldn't find any info in the DOK folders.

EDIT: about the two PAP events I will provide the code asap. ;-)

Next events will cover the Age of Pornocracy in Rome. I am not talking aobut current facts... but from the tenth century... ;-P
 
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About 120 pages on 811 to 1205. Then the other 500 pages or so moving forwards from that date.
Ok, so bad but not as bad as some I have seen (not talking about the quality of the book here of course as I have not read it).



About GER_205016.

I would suggest that this event could be triggered by a specific PAP event in which Pope Formosus calls Arnulf for help against The Spoletans and crown it emperor (that's what my sources report but is this concerning with the crown of Eastern Franks as you described in your events?)

Effects will be
in action A: bad relations to ITA and good ones to GER, some money loss and the trigger to GER_205016
in action B, good relations to ITA and a double stab hit.


Then, in case of GER intervention and Arnulf's exit from Italy, a second PAP event in which Stephanus VI processes Formosus' "dead body". Effects will be good relations to ITA ruled by Lamberto (as to compensate the previous loss) and +1 stab.
This all sounds good, except that I cannot get the Spoletan AI to take Pavia and trigger the chain of events including GER_205016. :sad:

About the German intervention, my understanding is that Berengar had acknowledged Arnulf as overlord, just as Eudes, Rudolf and Louis had. Arnulf was well aware that he could not keep the whole empire into his own hands and he was content with subkings but when Wido overthrew Berengar and forced Stephanus V to crown him as emperor, Arnulf, the legitimate Carolingian candidate, had to intervene. I think Formosus' call was just a pretext he seized at the time not to appear as an "anti-emperor".


How have you dealt with the HRE boundaries? Is there a "huge events" file to represent the historical situation? According to the many nobles appointed "emperors" by the Pope currently in charge after 888, shouldn't those boundaries already be in the game or just wait for year 962? Another event should then be scripted in 1254 for the interregnum: no HRE province to be in game until 1273.
In my opinion, there should be no HRE in 888 because all the emperors between that date and 962, except for Arnulf, were really just kings of Italy.

It could be argued that it should be created in 962, although I believe that it had then a very different organisation and purposes than the ones that are supposed to be modelled by the EU2/FTG system. Anyway, the problem is that, as far as I know, the HRE command only works for owned provinces so it would be a real mess to create it during the game. I could not come up with any decent solution so I let the matter rest. Let me know if you can think of something.


How have you dealt with the invasions of the Magyars? I couldn't find any info in the DOK folders.
The Hungarians are there in 888, north of the Black Sea, then there is a very simple chain of events involving Byzantium, Bulgaria and the Khazars/Pechenegs to have them move westwards. So far, the AI has proven unable to do it properly and now I am wondering if Bulgaria should really own areas north of the Danube and if I would rather not try and have the Hungarians colonize those areas before attacking Moravia.

Now, if you are thinking of the Hungarian raids in Italy, I think they should be done by events because I seem to recall that they had diplomatic causes, but again those will not make much sense if the Hungarians do not settle in Pannonia first.


EDIT: about the two PAP events I will provide the code asap. ;-)
Good. :)


Next events will cover the Age of Pornocracy in Rome. I am not talking aobut current facts... but from the tenth century... ;-P
This should be interesting. So far, what I have done is to put the Popes under "regencies" as you can see in monarchs_PAP.txt but this could could be improved a lot like I said in post #97.
 
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This all sounds good, except that I cannot get the Spoletan AI to take Pavia and trigger the chain of events including GER_205016. :sad:

About the German intervention, my understanding is that Berengar had acknowledged Arnulf as overlord, just as Eudes, Rudolf and Louis had. Arnulf was well aware that he could not keep the whole empire into his own hands and he was content with subkings but when Wido overthrew Berengar and forced Stephanus V to crown him as emperor, Arnulf, the legitimate Carolingian candidate, had to intervene. I think Formosus' call was just a pretext he seized at the time not to appear as an "anti-emperor".
From what I have seen in current DOK files the concerned events deal only with Arnulf's descent to Italy because of Guido's imperial aim.

Should we also provide an event of vassalization of Berengar to Arnulf?

  • That vassalization should be a couple of years before. (chain of events no. 1)
  • Pope Formosus calls for Arnulf against Guido's imperial aim (chain of events no. 2 as per last post)
  • ITA will have an event to break vassalage when Guido (Wido) becomes King of Italy. (chain of events no. 3 dealing with current GER_205016, ITA_228000 and the other events connected with this one)
  • Guido's puppet pope Stephanus VI processes Formosus (chain of events no. 4 as per last post)


I need to better understand current events dealing with the anarchy in the KoI.

Is there a MUS file too in this mod to simulate decisions made by a Pope even when PAP is not in game?

In my opinion, there should be no HRE in 888 because all the emperors between that date and 962, except for Arnulf, were really just kings of Italy.

It could be argued that it should be created in 962, although I believe that it had then a very different organisation and purposes than the ones that are supposed to be modelled by the EU2/FTG system. Anyway, the problem is that, as far as I know, the HRE command only works for owned provinces so it would be a real mess to create it during the game. I could not come up with any decent solution so I let the matter rest. Let me know if you can think of something.
Actually there shouldn't be any election at least until 1356 Bulla Aurea in the way we know for FTG.
We could however simulate the HRE military access by event. Each historical country within the HRE historical boundaries should be obliged by event to grant military acces to GER troops: action A granting MA, action B, bad relations, GER CB upon them and maybe the refusing country declaring war to GER?

Now, if you are thinking of the Hungarian raids in Italy, I think they should be done by events because I seem to recall that they had diplomatic causes, but again those will not make much sense if the Hungarians do not settle in Pannonia first.
Yes, that was in a similar way what I thought about the Normans in Southern Italy. They should settle in Normandy first.

About Hungarian raids in Italy, yes I was thinking about province or country specific events. But we also need events where Otto defeats the Hungarian at Lechfeld in 955. Those events should give a boost in stability, more centralisation, more monarch stats and very good relations with the Pope. We need to draw up something about these wars...

This should be interesting. So far, what I have done is to put the Popes under "regencies" as you can see in monarchs_PAP.txt but this could could be improved a lot like I said in post #97.
Yes, I see there is no coded non-dormant monarch between 6th dec 963 and 17th march 965. I can't remember what happens in case PAP becomes independent in this time span.
 
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Ok. The problem I have with books about Venice is that they are most often largely concerned with sixteenth and seventeenth centuries with the struggle against the Ottomans, and go rather quickly on the early centuries and the beginning of the expansion. Is that the case with this one?
.

what period you after ?
i have 1170 to 1460, but this deal with italians involved in the balkans

another 1400 to 1617 too late

another is the 4th crusade

another I have, but not started, is from 1205 to 1380 ( 2011 print)

this one
http://books.google.com.au/books?id...&resnum=5&ved=0CEYQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q&f=false

basically for venice they where very quiet until around 1000AD when they pushed the normans out of the adriatic and durres ( albania ), started 300 years of an off and on war with Hungary ( wars where for Friuli and Dalmatia )
 
This all sounds good, except that I cannot get the Spoletan AI to take Pavia and trigger the chain of events including GER_205016. :sad:
I have read through the first events in GER, ITA and SPL files. They all have as condition the control of Pavia in order to inherit ITA or to change current monarch.

Since those were times of anarchy, why not simulating the loss of power by Guido or Berengario with events testing if capital city or "some of" key provinces are controlled by rebels. Apart from war commands to each other, that also means a big series of province revolts and country or capital province revolt risk dramatically increased for short periods.

We also need ai only driven actions in case of inheritance commands in which the human player is involved.


Apart from this, I have found difficulties in clicking above Venice capital city and so I prefer to right click on the province and look for "view capital" in order to read current monarch. Is this a known map issue?

EDIT: what about changing the coordinates of the city circle in the map? A bit more off-shore would be perfect! The city in on the sea, afaik... ;-)
 
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From what I have seen in current DOK files the concerned events deal only with Arnulf's descent to Italy because of Guido's imperial aim.
Either I was not aware of Formosus' call or I planned to add it later and forgot. There is no contradiction making the current events triggered by a PAP event.


Should we also provide an event of vassalization of Berengar to Arnulf?

  • That vassalization should be a couple of years before. (chain of events no. 1)
  • Pope Formosus calls for Arnulf against Guido's imperial aim (chain of events no. 2 as per last post)
  • ITA will have an event to break vassalage when Guido (Wido) becomes King of Italy. (chain of events no. 3 dealing with current GER_205016, ITA_228000 and the other events connected with this one)
  • Guido's puppet pope Stephanus VI processes Formosus (chain of events no. 4 as per last post)
Sounds good!


I need to better understand current events dealing with the anarchy in the KoI.
Do not hesitate to ask questions here as some events still lack descriptions.


Is there a MUS file too in this mod to simulate decisions made by a Pope even when PAP is not in game?
Not yet but we could use the MUS tag the way AGCEEP does.


Actually there shouldn't be any election at least until 1356 Bulla Aurea in the way we know for FTG.
We could however simulate the HRE military access by event. Each historical country within the HRE historical boundaries should be obliged by event to grant military acces to GER troops: action A granting MA, action B, bad relations, GER CB upon them and maybe the refusing country declaring war to GER?
Definitely, 1356 was the date I had forgotten but I remembered it was outside our timeframe. I am not against such events but how many would you need to script, only one by country in 962, or one for each country every time a new emperor is crowned?


About Hungarian raids in Italy, yes I was thinking about province or country specific events. But we also need events where Otto defeats the Hungarian at Lechfeld in 955. Those events should give a boost in stability, more centralisation, more monarch stats and very good relations with the Pope. We need to draw up something about these wars...
About your post in the Commands and triggers thread, too bad that this would not work. Still, I am not sure we need that for Hungarians in Italy because I remember reading that they were used by Italian princes against their rivals, Berengario in particular, so they did not strike randomly. I will try to find the book I had which mentioned this and give more details in my next post.

About the Lechfeld, events about battles are always a problem, as they were in AGCEEP, because you can never be sure how the game situation and the historical one will diverge when the event fires. Still, I agree that something should be done about the German-Hungarian wars. There was another important battle, a Bavarian defeat if I recall correctly, in 907. Also, the German princes often tried to use the Hungarians, just like the Italians did. I still have to get them settle in Pannonia and destroy Moravia when AI-driven.


Yes, I see there is no coded non-dormant monarch between 6th dec 963 and 17th march 965. I can't remember what happens in case PAP becomes independent in this time span.
I will look into that. Many monarchs in that era were still elected, not only the Popes, and when the gap between a monarch's death and his successor's appointment is too large, about a couple of months, I have usually put an "Interregnum" monarch. Francia starts with one for instance.

To answer your question, I always heard that the engine does not care about deathdates so I believe it will take the monarch with the latest startdate before the scenario starts, regardless of the deathdate.


I have read through the first events in GER, ITA and SPL files. They all have as condition the control of Pavia in order to inherit ITA or to change current monarch.

Since those were times of anarchy, why not simulating the loss of power by Guido or Berengario with events testing if capital city or "some of" key provinces are controlled by rebels. Apart from war commands to each other, that also means a big series of province revolts and country or capital province revolt risk dramatically increased for short periods.
We could do that. Of course, while making it easier for the AI to get historical results more often, we would still have to keep it possible for a human player to keep his monarch, Berengario or Guido.


We also need ai only driven actions in case of inheritance commands in which the human player is involved.
I kind of hoped that those were already covered. Did you see any inheritance event that could have the AI inherit a human player?


Apart from this, I have found difficulties in clicking above Venice capital city and so I prefer to right click on the province and look for "view capital" in order to read current monarch. Is this a known map issue?

EDIT: what about changing the coordinates of the city circle in the map? A bit more off-shore would be perfect! The city in on the sea, afaik... ;-)
I will try to take care of it in 0.49.
 
I am not against such events but how many would you need to script, only one by country in 962, or one for each country every time a new emperor is crowned?
I believe one for each country for the 7 emperors we have in the time span of this mod. As for now, I don't know all possible tags in the HRE zone.

All of the Emperors are GER monarchs. Isn't there a define to make GER the only eligible HRE?
We could do that. Of course, while making it easier for the AI to get historical results more often, we would still have to keep it possible for a human player to keep his monarch, Berengario or Guido.
In my intention an ITA player should control those provinces in order to keep the crown on Berengar's head and avoid Guido's usurpation + Pope's request for help -> Arnulf's GER intervention.

Arnulf's intervention event could be used as further trigger in future Pope's events about request for imperial help. That is during the Age of Pornocracy. But I still have to draw up something...

I kind of hoped that those were already covered. Did you see any inheritance event that could have the AI inherit a human player?
As I read them, events SPL_382001 and GER_205019 have an issue then. As to avoid this we could add the trigger ITA = { ai = no } directly in the "inherit" command line and include in the action another command line for vassalization with trigger ITA = { ai = yes }.

EDIT: DOK events PRO_322000 and ITA_228008 have those differences between AI driven and human played countries. ;)
But PRO_322001 has an issue too... in the inheritance command. :sad:

Well, they are issues if you play those countries otherwise, as per readme file, we should play with the countries whose shield is shown in the main menu.
 
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About the map, even Salerno capital city needs to be moved a bit to the South. I know it isn't its effective location but you cannot click on Amalfi province, as it is now.

Also it is difficult to click over the capital city in Acquae (Pavia).

I seem to have found some missing tags in revolt.txt: VEN, PAP, TOS, CPA, NAP, AMI and SLO. Probably, because they are countries with which you start in 888 scenario, so as for now we don't need this fine tuning.
 
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I have a first event about Venice.

Since I have seen that Venice has no galleys I would like to add some...

Code:
event = {
	id = 425000
	trigger = {
		exist = FRA
		OR = {
			event = 198012 #FRA: Robert, marquis de Neustrie
			event = 198015 #FRA: Eudes, King of West Franks
		}
		NOT = {
			war = { country = VEN country = FRA }
			war = { country = VEN country = NST }
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = VEN

	name = "Imperial acknowledgement of independence"
	desc = ""

	date = { day = 0 month = march year = 888 }
	offset = 30
	deathdate = { day = 0 month = march year = 898 }

	action_a = {
		name = "Send an ambassador to Paris"
		command = { type = diplomats which = -1 }
		command = { type = treasury value = -30 } #more than a letter of introduction
		command = { type = galleys which = 675 value = 5 } #Venice
		command = { type = naval value = 75 }
		command = { type = trade value = 75 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 198030 } #FRA: The Treaty with Venice
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Don't renew that treaty"
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
		command = { type = naval value = -50 }
		command = { type = infra value = 50 }
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = -50 }
	}
}



event = {
	id = 198030 #triggered by VEN_425000 A (888-898)
	
	country = FRA
	name = "The Treaty with Venice"
	desc = ""

	action = {
		name = "Good for our trade"
		command = { type = relation which = VEN value = 50 }
		command = { type = trade value = 50 }
	}
}

Here is what's in the desc of both events:

In the same year of his accession, Pietro Tribuno renewed the treaty agreements with the Empire of West Franks. Earlier reached in 840 (Pactum Lotharii), after the first successful naval expeditions against the Slav pirates, and renewed in 856 and in 883, that treaty recognized the importance of Venice in assuring safe sea trade in the Adriatic and at the same time improved Venice's growing political and economic power in the Mediterranean area.

EDIT1: shortened deathdate from 911 to 898
EDIT2: added event no. for VEN
 
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I believe one for each country for the 7 emperors we have in the time span of this mod. As for now, I don't know all possible tags in the HRE zone.

All of the Emperors are GER monarchs. Isn't there a define to make GER the only eligible HRE?
Ok for the events if you are motivated enough to script them.

There is this in Db\Religions\Religions_special.txt (for vanilla, I have removed this entry in DoK):

Code:
hre = {
    default_emperor = HAB
    election_bonus = { HAB GER }
}


In my intention an ITA player should control those provinces in order to keep the crown on Berengar's head and avoid Guido's usurpation + Pope's request for help -> Arnulf's GER intervention.

Arnulf's intervention event could be used as further trigger in future Pope's events about request for imperial help. That is during the Age of Pornocracy. But I still have to draw up something...
Sure, I was just concerned that it does not become too hard to keep Berengario. Right now it is too easy actually so we may just as well try your suggestions.


As I read them, events SPL_382001 and GER_205019 have an issue then. As to avoid this we could add the trigger ITA = { ai = no } directly in the "inherit" command line and include in the action another command line for vassalization with trigger ITA = { ai = yes }.

EDIT: DOK events PRO_322000 and ITA_228008 have those differences between AI driven and human played countries. ;)
But PRO_322001 has an issue too... in the inheritance command. :sad:

Well, they are issues if you play those countries otherwise, as per readme file, we should play with the countries whose shield is shown in the main menu.
Yes, this is what I usually do with inheriting events. In some cases I may have deliberately not done it in case the human player could and should have avoided finding himself in the situation where the inheriting event targeting him can fire. :p

That may still be changed though.


About the map, even Salerno capital city needs to be moved a bit to the South. I know it isn't its effective location but you cannot click on Amalfi province, as it is now.

Also it is difficult to click over the capital city in Acquae (Pavia).
Will try to take care of these, along with Venice. Should be quite easy thanks to the showxy cheat.

I seem to have found some missing tags in revolt.txt: VEN, PAP, TOS, CPA, NAP, AMI and SLO. Probably, because they are countries with which you start in 888 scenario, so as for now we don't need this fine tuning.
I remember that TOS and PAP at least have independence declared in some events, also maybe AMI and SLO so I will add them too, thanks.
 
Ok for the events if you are motivated enough to script them.

There is this in Db\Religions\Religions_special.txt (for vanilla, I have removed this entry in DoK):

Code:
hre = {
    default_emperor = HAB
    election_bonus = { HAB GER }
}
I don't know if it works, but I have thought about this with the use of MUS tag:

- MUS being the only HRE elector and GER as default_emperor and the only getting the election bonus
- an AI event in 962 where MUS knows the capital city (Achen?) of GER only and has +200 relation with GER.
- that AI event should be triggered by a "renovatio imperii" ad hoc event (which is still missing?)
- that "renovatio imperii" event will let GER inherit ITA, PAP, TOS, SPL, FRL and other historical HRE countries (SAC, BUR... BAY, SWA)
- another GER event testing the "r.i." event will give imperial cores on the owned provinces (there could be big differences between these HRE boundaries and the RL ones, but why not?)

Sure, I was just concerned that it does not become too hard to keep Berengario. Right now it is too easy actually so we may just as well try your suggestions.
Ok, I'll post some "coded" suggestions asap.
 
The events in post #112 look good. I have edited post #2 to include the ID ranges I am using for events, monarchs and leaders, same system as AGCEEP.
That is: for monarchs the first 300 ids and for leader the remaining 200 ids fore each range of 500 ids? ;)
 
I am reading the events of FRA_198000, GER_205005 and BUR_153001. I think we need an event about the crowning of Louis III l'Auvegle (the Blind).

However I have read that all FRA, BUR, PRO and ITA monarchs submitted to Arnulf king of Germany in 888-889.
So shouldn't we add those events?
In terms of gameplay, the problem is if FRA, but also ITA with its vassals, can be at the same time vassal of GER and liege of NST...
Can it be an issue for the ftg engine?

Now about my posted event, according to Norwich and others Venice stipulated a treaty with the King of West Franks when actually the King of the East Franks was "the boss". I don't have any source about treaties between Venice and Arnulf although.

About alternative events, is it thinkable that being crowned King of France some weaks after Eudes, Wido of Spoleto could try to wage war in Francia?
That is, in FTG terms, event SPL_382000 can have a third action in attempting to get Eudes' crown.
Ai chance should be 1.
A following event about SPL victory above FRA should test control of Paris and the one action only commands would have the same entries as FRA_198000 action C.

Is this maybe too much fantasy?


And more, why Italy doesn't start with TOS (Tuscany) and SPL (Spoleto) as vassals?

About Friuli, shouldn't the capital city be already in Verona (671) instead of Forum Iulii (676) as per revolt.txt file?

About the events I would like to do in the crown contest between SPL and FRL is to rise the country RR of Italy up to 50% for the time needed by the two contenders to get the crown?
Or do we wait until 896 for the treaty between Lamberto of Spoleto and Berengario of Friuli? Lamberto controls Central Italy (Spoleto and Tuscany) while Berengario controls Northern Italy (Po Valley)
 
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I am reading the events of FRA_198000, GER_205005 and BUR_153001. I think we need an event about the crowning of Louis III l'Auvegle (the Blind).
Yes, but could you please refresh my memory and tell me how Louis III is related to the events you are mentioning? It has been a while since I made them.


However I have read that all FRA, BUR, PRO and ITA monarchs submitted to Arnulf king of Germany in 888-889.
So shouldn't we add those events?
In terms of gameplay, the problem is if FRA, but also ITA with its vassals, can be at the same time vassal of GER and liege of NST...
Can it be an issue for the ftg engine?
We could definitely add events for the kinglets' submissions to Arnulf but, except for PRO, I do not think the other three should be vassals of GER. They did retain an independent foreign policy and they did not pay any tribute, the two major effects of a vassalization in EU2/FTG.

About the engine, I have never have any problems having a vassal with vassals of his own.


About alternative events, is it thinkable that being crowned King of France some weaks after Eudes, Wido of Spoleto could try to wage war in Francia?
That is, in FTG terms, event SPL_382000 can have a third action in attempting to get Eudes' crown.
Ai chance should be 1.
A following event about SPL victory above FRA should test control of Paris and the one action only commands would have the same entries as FRA_198000 action C.

Is this maybe too much fantasy?
I am not against fantasy as long as it is plausible but from what I have read, this is not the case here. Eudes was marquis of Neustria, that is all the lands between the Seine and Loire rivers, certainly the most powerful and richest principality of West Francia. On the other side, the Widonids had left too long ago to retain any kind of substantial influence or lands in the western kingdom.

I have left it as a third option for FRA, but once the French northern magnates have chosen Eudes, there is no way Wido could have "conquered" the crown.


And more, why Italy doesn't start with TOS (Tuscany) and SPL (Spoleto) as vassals?
The sources I remember state that Tuscany remained neutral in the conflict between Berengar and Wido, at least in the beginning. If you have any info about when/if they picked a side, I would be glad to hear of it.

Spoleto could start as a vassal and break it when Wido claims Italy, but did he ever recognize Berengar's authority, even in early 888?


About Friuli, shouldn't the capital city be already in Verona (671) instead of Forum Iulii (676) as per revolt.txt file?
I trust you on that, will change.


About the events I would like to do in the crown contest between SPL and FRL is to rise the country RR of Italy up to 50% for the time needed by the two contenders to get the crown?
Or do we wait until 896 for the treaty between Lamberto of Spoleto and Berengario of Friuli? Lamberto controls Central Italy (Spoleto and Tuscany) while Berengario controls Northern Italy (Po Valley)
50% sounds like a lot, it would have to be tested.

Was there a formal treaty in 896? My understanding so far was that it was more of a de facto ceasefire, essentially for lack of manpower to go on with the war, but it has been a long time since I read about it and I could be wrong.