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No, no, no.
You're doing it all wrong.
When someone says "cue jonti", you're supposed to say:

Kinky!

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drxav said:
I would like this rule not be implemented. My entire strategy is based on the previous rule, changing that now is unfair in my opinion.
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Uhm, what *was* the previous rule?
 
The rule new says :

if you target a lover for a scan, but he goes out in the night you get no scan results.

The old rule says :

if you target a lover for a scan and he goes out for the night you get 2 results.


My entire plan is based on the old rule. I reckon changing the rules as the game goes is unfair. If there's a loophole, there's a loophole and we should learn from it for future games. That's how Law works, and Jean Bodin isn't the kind to mess with Law.
 
drxav said:
The rule new says :

if you target a lover for a scan, but he goes out in the night you get no scan results.

The old rule says :

if you target a lover for a scan and he goes out for the night you get 2 results.


My entire plan is based on the old rule. I reckon changing the rules as the game goes is unfair. If there's a loophole, there's a loophole and we should learn from it for future games. That's how Law works, and Jean Bodin isn't the kind to mess with Law.
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Here here. This Jean Bodin fella makes sense. In the Police Squad we learn not to mess with the law, less we get in trouble. That is unless theres no proof and its our word against some low-born criminal, in which case we mess with the law as much as we want.
 
drxav said:
Reis is pissed off seeing there'll be a super-Jl on night 0. I know who I'm voting tomorrow.
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As if that matters much, he's probably going to get lynched in the first two days again even without that :p
 
OOC: Its not fair to change the rules for a game once its started imo. At the very least Drxav deserves the chance to put his grand strategy into action, and see the fruits of his genius blossom.

EDIT: We should just let the game play out and see what happens. After all there are no guarantees in life.
 
Drxav can still pull it out in the way I described, with the new rules. He just needs cooperation from Doc/GA, or the illusion of it acting as a dissuasive.

And maybe next time drxav will learn to point out that the rule is broken before the game starts, rather than abusing it.

Edit: A baddie lover can still use this, since the identity of the scanees is hidden, so they can convince the scanner that the other guy is the wolf/cultist but that he should be kept alive to figure out his pack. It has a bit of risk as the other pack might decide to hunt that guy, or the other guy has same baddie role than you do, but it could pay off tremendously. And even if it blows up, you should still have the names of both scanners fed into your pack, at least.
 
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Personally, I've had bad experiences with rules changes mid-game. This is not exactly mid-game, though.
One other option here is to just simply restart: New setup, new PM's, rules changed into whatever.

Though to be entirely honest, I do *not* like the lover trait very much. It can be way too overpowered (in the hands of a JL spokesperson) and/or break the game (in the case of wolves continually hunting the same lover .. been there, done that, too.)
edit: And note that *both* those problems still exist in either version of the rules, simply because the core problem here is not the scanning thing, but the "not being huntable" thing.

So I'd say: Get rid of the lover entirely, start over. If you must change the rules, do it right.
 
randakar said:
No, no, no.
You're doing it all wrong.
When someone says "cue jonti", you're supposed to say:

Kinky!

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Uhm, what *was* the previous rule?
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Jonti is rumoured to be heard mumbling this at night throughout England
 
You wolfies are getting really worked up about this whole thing. What none of you ever used a loophole in WW before? Come on, the game has started, screwing drxav over like this aint fair. Besides, as anyone who has ever played WW knows things never work as planned, shit happens. Lets play this out to see what the 'real world' ramifications are, then we can change or scrap the Lover, as appropriate for future games.
 
Cakravarti said:
You wolfies are getting really worked up about this whole thing. What none of you ever used a loophole in WW before? Come on, the game has started, screwing drxav over like this aint fair. Besides, as anyone who has ever played WW knows things never work as planned, shit happens. Lets play this out to see what the 'real world' ramifications are, then we can change or scrap the Lover, as appropriate for future games.
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I agree with Sergeant Frank Drebin.
 
Cakravarti said:
You wolfies are getting really worked up about this whole thing. What none of you ever used a loophole in WW before? Come on, the game has started, screwing drxav over like this aint fair. Besides, as anyone who has ever played WW knows things never work as planned, shit happens. Lets play this out to see what the 'real world' ramifications are, then we can change or scrap the Lover, as appropriate for future games.
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I did use loopholes, just not game-breaking ones...
 
reis91 said:
I did use loopholes, just not game-breaking ones...
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This isn't game-breaking per se. There are risks in scanning me. I'm basically asking the seers and priest to hand themselves over to me.

I could be a baddie lover, I could be SA.


I'm a villager lover and I'm proposing a plan. It could be broken by undaring scanners, baddie infiltration etc.

What I'm proposing is simply people to play the game, not just sit around and wait, like most people do. It forces baddies to use their brains to counter my plan. It forces the scanners to take a risk. It forces me to take action and think 2 turns ahead.

We all know things aren't sealed forever and certainly not in a WW game. There are too many parameters to just think I'll win the game by myself if I pull this one out. There could be a hundred ways I screw this over.

What whinners are complaining about is their lack of skills and the fact they didn't notice that loophole. I had it figured games ago. I knew exactly what to do when I'd be a lover. I've got plans for each and every role with each and every traits. I don't want to just have games proceed as they usually do, random hunt on night 0, random lynch on day one, random hunt on night one, outing, etc.

Here I'm proposing an interesting game. Deal with it.


That being said, scan me tonight. I really am a villager lover.
 
It's technically not a loophole, but rather a poorly designed role, which I have already criticized, based on these grounds. It was only after Kiwi deemed it a loophole that he decided to change the rule. I do have my doubts about the interest of the game, sadly I can't do anything to screw your plan if you are a goodie.
 
Don't change the rules once the game has started. It's uncouth.

Signed,

The Castle.
 
reis91 said:
Ok, let's see how we can break that.

Our lover goes on the thread and says that he will sleep with X, asking for doc/GA protection on X, and scans on X. X will be kept safe from hunts, and scanners will have tagged him and the lover.

What about multiple lovers targeting the same person? (cue jonti)
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Our daring lover better hope there are no evil hunters if he tries that...
 
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