Unwarranted arrogance and incompetence are two things I cannot tolerate. You excel in both.
-
We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement.
Unwarranted arrogance and incompetence are two things I cannot tolerate. You excel in both.
A little bit of both, i presume
Funny how there is only us ghosts around...
I'm around, I'm just in the middle of this currently four screens long (at 1650x1080) analysis post so I'm not rambling much.
I'm around, I'm just in the middle of this currently four screens long (at 1650x1080) analysis post so I'm not rambling much.
Make sure you save that post somewhere offline before you attempt to post it - it will probably hit against the character limit when you do and that may cause some issues ..
Would a rookie's first vote go on a packmate? Pretty ballsy unless instructed by snoop. It ends up being a throwaway however, so possible alibi?
Kiwi votes for the first night hunt. Villager not paying attention, wolf really not paying attention or a clever wolf?
He then proceeds to make hdk/reis the first one with two votes. Taking a chance to get a possible alibi on a packmate, a wolf voting on a villager, or a villager happening to vote a wolf? Whatever the case, he appears to put hdk/reis in some danger.
DB and snoop then continue their rambling.
tami brings Cloph back to 2 after I had moved off him and put the original reis at 4. Cloph is therefore tied with the original second position guy hdk/reis - did tami have a reason to make sure the second candidate is someone other than hdk/reis? Of course, the original reis then starts the Boris wagon, snoop plays around keeping the tie but eventually moves to take out the original reis.
On to the next day. DB puts snoop ahead by two - he's practically trolling him by now. snoop's devious but risky plan, or a villager snoop?
At the end of his "instructions" post. Just throwing this out there because it's one candidate mentioning another, his point is valid here.
No reason given for the throwaway-ish vote on a wolf, but his light analysis was pretty much right at the time.
This is important. Adamus breaks a four-way tie in "favor" of Kiwi and he stays in the lead for nearly three hours without anyone doing anything when it would have been normal to do so. tami is content to make a throwaway vote an hour before deadline instead of for instance moving on one of the now cleared people in the tie.
However, maybe they just wouldn't risk exposure and waited for villager randy's help:
Self defense, or both protecting himself and saving Kiwi?
This is interesting - snoop is questioning Kiwi's goodieness, but only after he got the vote on gigau, and he never voted on Kiwi.
Interesting banter from one of our wolves on one of our candidates.
Asked the fellow candidate who didn't participate in the vote.
Kiwi first gets involved in some banter with DB. Then introduces snoop when there are no other votes yet.
He's quick to switch however.
DB still doesn't like snoop, but votes otherwise now.
Is it a coincidence that he's pointing this out when the only people in the running are villagers and the seer?
reis doesn't like the outing for some reason, and he's damn quick to trust DB and is looking for alternatives until my reassurances. It would seem odd for a wolf to expose himself by so strongly defending an outed packmate, but reis can be unorthodox.
A note about this day:
randakar the JL member had contacted snoop to do the outing, but due to some JL miscommunication (people being offline I guess) Taii asked me to do the outing and do it immediately, unfortunately right before we heard back from randy... So snoop knows that randy is in the JL, and it's randy that gets hunted instead of the mouthpiece - suspicious eh? Not really, as randy pretty much let snoop know that I'm a scanned villager as well, and he had to realize that neither was the seer. So why hunt the not publicly known and relatively suspicious JL villager instead of the soon to be cleared JL villager (me)? The wolves obviously just let me be and went for the seer, so why would they waste a hunt on randy if they have that information? I know snoop was around a lot late that day so it's not that.
DB had randakar's name on his fake PM - not sure how that fits.
snoop breaks a tie, helping Kiwi. Makes sense regardless of roles, unfortunately.
reis talks about how suspicious Kiwi is...
...and then proceeds to bring in someone new. snoop and reis have now both expressed their suspicions about Kiwi, but refused to vote for him in critical situations. I suppose it isn't possible that we have three wolves still?
He's asking Adamus. I come in defending Kiwi, I suppose we'll learn later if I screwed up there...
It's a decent bet for a villager to take, especially with a JL member around monitoring the situation. But was there something more sinister behind his choice between Adamus and Kiwi?
This is valid - reis' earlier post about Kiwi's tie hopes was indeed inaccurate regarding timing.
Seems genuine enough, and putting a decent candidate out there. Would be very risky if they're packmates.
The JL chooses tami however, with the attack spearheaded by me of course. Sorry for being vague there unscanned villager, whoever you are, obviously tami wasn't scanned but I didn't want to leave room for discussion and possible village division -> loss.
Is reis a concerned villager or tami's packmate?
Two wolves amongst reis, snoop and you, to be exact.
So yes, Valhalla is scanned.I haven't been in this situation before but by my logic it's good to say that in the thread - there's only one meaningful hunt left and there's already a cleared target out there (me). This will only make VC's task easier tomorrow if he gets that far. I hope I'm not forgetting some angle.
Okay, that's a lot of information in one place. I'll put up a voting history post next, then I'll prepare lunch before making my choice.
In addition to dead people, the scanned villagers are in green here.
---
hunt: Suir
reis1.0 5 - Boris (99), hdk/reis (103), Mal (80, 88, 105), Adamus (114, 115), snoop (87, 112, 116)
Boris 4 - Taii (100), reis1.0 (82, 107), randy (113), Steed (101, 118)
hdk/reis 2 - Rend (81), Kiwi (94)
Mal 2 - Cloph (85), Slinky/VC (104)
Cloph 1 - tami (106)
snoop 1 - DB (89)
Kiwi 1 - gigau (102)
---
hunt: Boris
VC subs in for Slinky and reis for hdk at this point, but neither vote yet
gigau 4 - Taii (127), Mal (142), randy (151, 156, 157), snoop (141, 158)
Kiwi 3 - Slinky/VC (137), Rend (132, 135, 143), Adamus (145)
snoop 2 - gigau (122), DB (123)
Taii 1 - Steed (130)
DB 1 - Kiwi (136)
randy 1 - tami (152)
nv: Cloph votes hours too late (on randy) but is allowed to stay in. Same thing with hdk/reis (minutes late with no vote at all)
---
hunt: Rend
Votecount pre-outing:
Taii 3 - Steed (177), Kiwi (175, 183), DB (184)
Adamus 3 - randy (181), Taii (186), hdk/reis (179, 196)
randy 3 - Adamus (187), Slinky/VC (188), snoop (195)
tami 1 - tami (197)
Final:
DB 6 - Mal (198), Adamus (187, 199), Taii (186, 200), snoop (195, 203), tami (197, 204), DB (184, 205)
Taii 2 - Steed (177), Kiwi (175, 183)
Adamus 2 - randy (181), hdk/reis (179, 196)
randy 1 - Slinky/VC (188)
nv: Cloph - again
---
hunt: randy
Cloph 3 - Kiwi (240), Taii (241), snoop (244)
Adamus 3 - hdk/reis (247), Mal (251), tami (259)
Kiwi 2 - Cloph (242), Adamus (242)
nv: Steed, Slinky/VC
---
hunt: Steed
lynch: tami
hunt: Taii
---
hunt: Suir
reis1.0 5 - Boris (99), hdk/reis (103), Mal (80, 88, 105), Adamus (114, 115), snoop (87, 112, 116)
Boris 4 - Taii (100), reis1.0 (82, 107), randy (113), Steed (101, 118)
hdk/reis 2 - Rend (81), Kiwi (94)
Mal 2 - Cloph (85), Slinky/VC (104)
Cloph 1 - tami (106)
snoop 1 - DB (89)
Kiwi 1 - gigau (102)
---
hunt: Boris
VC subs in for Slinky and reis for hdk at this point, but neither vote yet
gigau 4 - Taii (127), Mal (142), randy (151, 156, 157), snoop (141, 158)
Kiwi 3 - Slinky/VC (137), Rend (132, 135, 143), Adamus (145)
snoop 2 - gigau (122), DB (123)
Taii 1 - Steed (130)
DB 1 - Kiwi (136)
randy 1 - tami (152)
nv: Cloph votes hours too late (on randy) but is allowed to stay in. Same thing with hdk/reis (minutes late with no vote at all)
---
hunt: Rend
Votecount pre-outing:
Taii 3 - Steed (177), Kiwi (175, 183), DB (184)
Adamus 3 - randy (181), Taii (186), hdk/reis (179, 196)
randy 3 - Adamus (187), Slinky/VC (188), snoop (195)
tami 1 - tami (197)
Final:
DB 6 - Mal (198), Adamus (187, 199), Taii (186, 200), snoop (195, 203), tami (197, 204), DB (184, 205)
Taii 2 - Steed (177), Kiwi (175, 183)
Adamus 2 - randy (181), hdk/reis (179, 196)
randy 1 - Slinky/VC (188)
nv: Cloph - again
---
hunt: randy
Cloph 3 - Kiwi (240), Taii (241), snoop (244)
Adamus 3 - hdk/reis (247), Mal (251), tami (259)
Kiwi 2 - Cloph (242), Adamus (242)
nv: Steed, Slinky/VC
---
hunt: Steed
lynch: tami
hunt: Taii
So it's reis and snoop? Well that's easy then.
Vote snoopdogg
All villagers do likewise. It would be nice if the wolves capitulated.
Some notes: We were all wondering why on earth doombunny would say randakar is seer. That's an awfully strange thing for a noob to try and pull. The obvious reason for it was because he'd been passed on the message from snoopdogg, the only one to know. It also explains the hunt on randakar. snoopdogg is an obvious wolf. The doombunny votes can be explained as something he was put up to.
As for reis, like I said it was interesting he got ignored when I put him up, and that it was tamius the wolf bringing up someone else instead.
As for switching off snoopdogg, I made the original vote at 7 pm my time. I happened to be on at 2 am, saw my vote had gained no traction, and decided to shift it to somewhere that it could be analysed. You can hardly call that "quick". I was perfectly happy to leave it there if it had attracted interest - and much like the_hdk/reis, that it didn't is another point against him.
Vote snoopdogg
All villagers do likewise. It would be nice if the wolves capitulated.
Some notes: We were all wondering why on earth doombunny would say randakar is seer. That's an awfully strange thing for a noob to try and pull. The obvious reason for it was because he'd been passed on the message from snoopdogg, the only one to know. It also explains the hunt on randakar. snoopdogg is an obvious wolf. The doombunny votes can be explained as something he was put up to.
As for reis, like I said it was interesting he got ignored when I put him up, and that it was tamius the wolf bringing up someone else instead.
As for switching off snoopdogg, I made the original vote at 7 pm my time. I happened to be on at 2 am, saw my vote had gained no traction, and decided to shift it to somewhere that it could be analysed. You can hardly call that "quick". I was perfectly happy to leave it there if it had attracted interest - and much like the_hdk/reis, that it didn't is another point against him.
Agreed that the DB votes could have been snoop's idea. However, why does it explain the hunt on randakar? Why would hunting randakar be better for snoop than hunting me? It should have been between hunting me and going after the seer.
I meant quick in terms of votes between the original and the switch.
Funny, according to the PM I've received when I subbed hdk, it's actually you and Snoop. A pack which would normally be redoutable is instead on it's death throes. Fine, we can kill Snoop first, but it won't clear you like you intended...
Gah, I give up. All of you have stuff going for you and other stuff going against you. So I'll follow the trend, at least that way I can be sure I and Valhalla are voting the same guy. While I'm undecided on the individuals, Kiwi has put reis in real danger (more real than most realize I'd imagine) at least once and there are other, less important things speaking against such a pack too. If you're the wolves it's a well deserved win, but as reis I wouldn't be all happy with the packmate since Kiwi very nearly threw you under a bus in that case.
Vote snoop
Vote snoop
I see that you intend to go down fighting. So be it. Who are you going to hunt? They'll not be too happy about missing out on a win.
If you must hunt somebody, I wouldn't complain if it was me. I've done stuff all this gane, while Malurous is spokesman and Valhalla could do with something for his first game. What do you say, hunt me and try to convince Malurous that Valhalla is the wolf?
There are a lot of approaches that a pack could take to that situation. I don't know what randakar told snoop, you'd have to ask reis for that. But if they suspected he might be seer, or that you were actually unscanned despite what was said, it would make sense to hit him first. The Steed hunt must have been looking for the Seer, something I've learnt my lesson on before - having been overpowered by a JL once too often it's now my policy to kill mouthpieces ahead of looking for the seer.
Come to think of it, I think snoopdogg might have been on to something when he got Doombunny to go after him. I presume that was why you chose him to out Doombunny, thus revealing a JL member to the wolves?
If you must hunt somebody, I wouldn't complain if it was me. I've done stuff all this gane, while Malurous is spokesman and Valhalla could do with something for his first game. What do you say, hunt me and try to convince Malurous that Valhalla is the wolf?
There are a lot of approaches that a pack could take to that situation. I don't know what randakar told snoop, you'd have to ask reis for that. But if they suspected he might be seer, or that you were actually unscanned despite what was said, it would make sense to hit him first. The Steed hunt must have been looking for the Seer, something I've learnt my lesson on before - having been overpowered by a JL once too often it's now my policy to kill mouthpieces ahead of looking for the seer.
Come to think of it, I think snoopdogg might have been on to something when he got Doombunny to go after him. I presume that was why you chose him to out Doombunny, thus revealing a JL member to the wolves?
Well, I was unaware of what you just said about Snoop being in touch with randy... so I found odd that randy would get hunted, when it was a wolf using a fabricated pm and placing randy's name there.
You're too clever for your own good, Kiwi...
It was worth trying to get a crovax out of you
So many little landmines for you to step on replying to that, layers wrapped up in layers. The one I was really hoping for was you pointing out that Valhalla is JL, thus implying that you are going to hunt and you've thought about targets. But looks like you played it with a nice straight bat.