Home Trending Latest threads New posts Developer diaries

[Forum Game] - World in Revolution: 1836

Jump to latest Follow Reply
  • We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement.
Thandros said:
I would like to also point out until around a year ago Texas was part of Mexico.If my claims count for nothing why should yours count for anything.
Click to expand...

Texas fought for its independence; Norway was forcibly absorbed into Sweden... If the Mexican government wishes to equate the two, perhaps Mexico wishes to rejoin Spain then?

((Many apologies, Hannibal; I only read the first half of it...))
 
Last edited:
We accept the fact that this is still a rebellion but crushing it would still mean you would be "bathing the area in blood". I would like to remind the Prime Minister that the Congress of Vienna was signed 16 years ago and times have moved on, different nationalities are clamoring for independence or unity, the Congress of Vienna was an exceptional document but times have moved on and a new one must be forged.

His Imperial Majesty, Mahmud II, Sultan of the Ottoman Empire
 
16 years is a short time. Times have not evolved so much that it is now irrelevant. Out of curiosity, if the Balkans evolted, would you let them go free? That is not a rhetorical question.
 
Riccardo93 said:
Texas fought for its independence; Norway was forcibly absorbed into Sweden... If the Mexican government wishes to equate the two, perhaps Mexico wishes to rejoin Spain then?
Click to expand...

May I remind you that Texas is not independent just currently controlled by a Bandit government who are looting and raping at will to cower the locals who are all loyal to Mexico into submission. The liberation of Texas from the Bandits will be done soon and there cruel regime of terror will be ended.
 
I agree with the Sultan of the Ottomans; the Congress of Vienna needs reworking. The former, while indeed an exceptional document, has already seen over a dozen years pass, and was formed during the aftermath a Napoleon.

I declare my neutrality to this Lowlander dispute; though I suggest an autonomous Belgium in union with the Netherlands as a possible solution.

I'm certain the Spanish would say the same about the Mexican government...
 
United States of America
us_24_star_flag_drapeau_bandiera_bandeira_flagga.png

I am curious to know if the Mexican President himself has actually seen what he claims to be Texan violence against their own people and countryside, or if he is simply fear mongering to gather support around a cause which has no hope of victory, especially since it seeks to subjugate people seeking the cause of Liberty.

The Texan People seek their liberty, President Victoria. The flame of freedom and equality cannot be stamped out. It can only be embraced by those that seek it.
 
In fact I have. I recently visited the regions bordering Texas which had been raided by Texan forces and found houses burnt to the ground and everyone apart from a few who where able to flee or hide dead. There have been even worse reports from forces moving into Texas itself.
 
king hannibal said:
16 years is a short time. Times have not evolved so much that it is now irrelevant. Out of curiosity, if the Balkans evolted, would you let them go free? That is not a rhetorical question.
Click to expand...

16 years is not a short time. Many different areas of the Balkans are independent, Serbia and Romania, and I remind the King that I have not yet taken a position on the Lowland revolt although my Danish colleague's idea has merit.

His Imperial Majesty, Mahmud II, Sultan of the Ottoman Empire
 
The Emperor of the Great Qing reaffirms the right of any sovereign ruler to suppress armed rebellion within the borders of his state. How do the rebels in Belgium or Texas differ from any other bandit? Is rebellion conferred with legitimacy simply if the rebels possess a flag? To deny the right of another ruler to defend his state from banditry is to undermine the very basis of the sovereign state. If a ruler is no longer entitled to rule without the approval of the international community, then what is he but a puppet of international opinion?

Moreover, we believe that the detractors of the King of the Dutch and the Prime Minister of the Mexicans are being selective. Would they be as tolerant of rebellion within their own borders? If rebels massed against them, would they accept their cause as just? Would they submit their state to the ravages of anarchy? We scarcely believe so. The Emperor of the Great Qing believes that there must be an indivisible principle on this matter: either all forms of rebellion and banditry are justified and warranted, or none are.

~ His Imperial Majesty, the Emperor of the Great Qing, Son of Heaven, Lord of Ten Thousand Years
 


​


Today is the beggining of a new age for the Kingdom of Spain. You can smell it on the winds, a whiff of the sweat of hard-working Spaniards, forging a new future for themselves and their children, a spray of sea from the sails of the Spanish Navy, the smoke of Spanish soldiers returning victorious. Some may say that we are a nation on the decline, endlessly grasping of our remnants of our Empire. But to them I say that a Spaniard is one of the most clever in the world, and that their ingenuity will blaze a trail into the new age.

However, there are some that doubt this, that believe that Spain would be better off nder their misguided rules. These people call themselves the Carlists, in support of the treacherous Carlos. I warn you, my good people, that under his rule Spain will be weighed down, much like a ship is by an anchor. I personally promise you, that these traitors will soon be put to the sword and that order shall soon be restored to Spain.

Regarding international matters, we commend the Republic of Texas on their victory over Mexico, and we thus would like to recognize them as a nation. We also hope that a peaceful resolution can be found to both the conflicts in the Lowlands and in Scandanavia. Why should such a balance of power that we so long strived for be shattered over such trivial matters.

That will be all.
 
Declaration of Danish Rights
By His Royal Majesty, Frederick VI, King of the Danes​

I have ruled this nation for many years, and I have witnessed many great and terrible occurrences; I led the Danish people through the turbulence of the Napoleonic era, the seizure of rightful Danish lands, stripped away unfairly, and I have seen my views of the world evolve… or in the recent years, become narrowed.

In my youth, I championed liberalism, the rights of Man, and I believed in many of the ideals of the French Revolution; however, its perversion, and the wars of Napoleon, and the death it wrought upon Europe, and my beloved homeland, drove me away from that noble pursuit of liberty, fearing that the Danish people would again be dealt a heavy, crippling blow.

Now however, as age brings enlightenment, or so they say, I have come to the realization that my past course, the refutation of the ideals of liberalism, or reform, was incorrect; to the people of Denmark, I apologize.

In this, the twilight of my reign, I wish to rectify my errors, and my faulty judgement; my pursuit of reactionism, my shying away from reform, my refusal to advance with the world, obstinately standing against the tide of progress and reform, is at an end!

To the Citizens of Denmark, to the People of Scandinavia; I declare this! The Kingdom of Denmark shall become a fount of reform, of progress, and liberalism!

By the end of this decade, I swear to the people of Denmark, upon my crown and my very honour, that our great nation shall have a Constitution worthy of our illustrious heritage! With this new charter, this declaration of the rights of all free Danes, will come a new Parliament, devoted to upholding this document, and defending the rights and lands of our people! The Kingdom of Denmark shall be the champion of reform, and the Danish people shall be freer than any other nation!

The Nordic people, born in ice, blood, and iron, stand at precipice; shall we continue to blindly fight one another, our noble, vaunted history as a force of change, of greatness, tossed aside by the pettiness of those who wish to keep our people divided? Or shall the Nordic people, the people of all Scandinavia, stand united against all comers! It seems obviously apparent to those who have ears, that General Bernadotte, the foreign king of Sweden, will not stand for the our people! Why should the Nordic people, great warriors, noble statesmen, devoted workers, and diligent farmers all, be ruled by one such as he? Why must the Scandinavian people be divided and destitute, when a union of all Northmen would bring our frigid homeland its place in the Sun!

To this end, I declare my devotion, my undying desire, and never-ending quest, to see the people of Scandinavia united, standing tall against all comers! We are not Danes, or Norwegians, or Swedes, or any other Northmen; we are Scandinavians! And we will have unity!
 
Last edited:
Karl Johan XIV stands on a balcony right before he is to give a speech.
edit_preview.php

'My people of our glorious and loving Union, I wish to announce another plan to lead our nation into greater prosperity. We will be giving improved rights over the next two years designed to improve the quality of life in our isolationist nation, that is never offensive but defensive minded. You might be wondering how will we improve your quality of life for the daily working man? We will grant rights to free speech and open public gatherings something our southern neighbors do not have. As a result of these new rights I plan to also give improved transportation and transportation freedoms for you can move around freely if the country you go to permits so. Also on another matter I would like to comment on Denmark's insult, we are a free people we shall not be ruled by a Dane who promotes the betterment of Danes rather than other groups in his nation. For he is a biased and autocratic leader creating a parliament favoring the nobles more than his own people, the rights I am about to give you my people will be better than anything backwards Denmark will ever have. For despite what he claims what I have so far done has not shown any benefit for the government but for you. Creating jobs and improving our nation all together something that Denmark's king does not. He favours the ruling class instead of the lower class who just want to make a living. I support Scandinavian unification but not in a house led by this backwards atrocity of a nation called Denmark.'

Karl Johan XIV leaves the balcony after his people cheer for his glorious speech.
 
Last edited:
OOC: Denmark still wins.
 
Concerning the Present Rights of the Danes
By His Royal Majesty, Frederick VI, King of the Danes​

General Bernadotte, or Charles of Sweden, as he insists on calling himself, recently made a speech declaring the Swedish people are freer than the Danes; again he seeks to divide the Scandinavian people, accosting our most recent efforts to bring liberal reform to our nation! However, before I make the case against his claim, I will discuss our present situation.

The Danish people have not enjoyed to greatest amount of freedoms, that is true; and I am certainly a reason for that. However, in my recent statement, I spoke of change, and my desire to reform; let me make those vague ideals more concrete for the people of Denmark, and to make this a declaration of Liberty!

Under my planned Constitution, which I am even now crafting with the wisest and most noble men our nation has produced in generations, the following rights shall be held as inalienable and irreproachable rights (though the final document shall not be limited to these):

I. The Right of Free Speech.
II. The Right of Free Press.
III The Right to Practice Religion Freely.
IV. The Right to Bear Arms.
V. The Right to Privacy.
VI. The Right to a Quick and Fair Trial.
VII. The Right from Unlawful Search and Seizure.
VIII. The Right to Vote.​

Those of you familiar with the Constitution of the United States of America, a document that serves as the guiding light of a dedicated republic whose merits are lauded by many, such as de Tocqueville, shall serve as an inspiration amongst the men who are working with quiet determination to make this nation the symbol of Liberty.

As of yet, the Danish people are not fully free, in that our Constitution has yet to be written, but I am already beginning to remove older edicts and laws that have limited the freedoms of all people.

Concerning representation, I have already mentioned that there will be a right to vote; who shall this apply to? All men, regardless of class or status, shall be entitled to vote, so long as they are of legal age (which shall b e 21 years). Former slaves, and citizens of Danish colonies, are all entitled to vote, if the meet the previously mentioned qualifications.

Who shall these men be voting for? The members of Parliament, specifically, the House of Deputies. Again drawing from the American Constitution, and from British Law, we shall have a bicameral government, with the upper house appointed by the King, and the lower house elected by the people; power between these two bodies shall be roughly equal, and are still be defined.

Now, to my last portion, my comparison of Danish and Swedish rights; to this I say, the Swedish are, at best, no freer under the rule of General Bernadotte, than the Danes are during my service; indeed, simply because the General has made these declarations, does not mean they are codified into law. He is merely offering promises, which can easily be overturned upon his death, or at his whim. I, however, feel it is more prudent to ensure the rights of the Danes more permanently, by crafting a Constitution to ensure said liberty.

In conclusion, I can say only this; I weep for the Swedes and Norwegians, that they must live under the rule of General Bernadotte, who has all the vices of a Napoleon, and none of the virtues. I pray that the people of the North shall one day stand united in freedom and peace.
 
Last edited:
Karl Johan XIV stands in front of a large crowd in Stockholm preparing to give a speech about the Barbarianism of the Danish people.

edit_preview.php

'My dear people in response to the lost leader of the Danes I would like to ask you a question. How do you feel about me as king of our union? Mumbles go out through the crowd for a minute until they all start saying that they like him as their leader.I am glad you feel this way my people but I wish that the Danes would act civilized for they act like the barbarians in the east. They may have made the promise of an American like constitution but who knows with these Danes, for I bet their constitution was drawn up by a group of nobles who felt this would help themselves. We still consider the Danes our brothers but their leaders lack of actions instead of words worries me, as they are a noble dominated nation. My people over a period of time we will allow you to have even more expanded rights but as of right now at my age I don't see them being implemented while I am alive. My people do not let words define you, let your actions define you.For as the Dane's have shown they have no actions but words that make them feel superior to us but we are equal Scandinavians, unlike Denmark where the nobility is favored by the king unlike me where I have given you right and expanded the nation internally.I suggest all Danes who support equal rights and fair work I propose that you come to our union where you will be treated fairly and equally and maybe one day when they aren't acting like barbarians you can return to your nation.
 
Last edited:
bakerydog said:
For as the Dane's have shown they have no actions but words that make them feel superior to us but we are equal Scandinavians, unlike Denmark where the nobility is favored by the king unlike me where I have given you right and expanded the nation internally.
Click to expand...

OOC: Wat... you call the Danes barbarians and then claim you're all equal?

If I'm not mistaken you just managed to insult many million people in two different countries.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top Bottom
Back