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? Mitsuhide wasn't Shogun, but served Ashikaga Yoshiaki.
Some special events for him would be nice though.



Could you tell me the idea about these special ability or decisions?



Recruit Ronin or recruit courtiers from the retainers.

Special events or decisions would be history action of the shogun try to consolidated power, in similar fashion of Ashikaga Yoshiteru.

Or we could do something similar to crown laws in CK2.
 
Special events or decisions would be history action of the shogun try to consolidated power, in similar fashion of Ashikaga Yoshiteru.

I meant which effect will these events have.
 
Kinda like how Perrin wrote Giving Up the Gun: Japan's Reversion to the Sword, through his anti-nuke mindset in 1979, and many people are still believing in the myths in that book?

Exactly. There's the related phenomenon where whoever writes about something first tends to be regarded as the expert and whatever they write is regarded as gospel. So that's why many Westerners still continue to believe that all samurai followed bushido, the ninja myths, the 47 Ronin and Asano were shining heroes, rotating volley fire at Nagashino, the sword was a samurai's front line weapon, Zen=Buddhism=samurai, etc etc etc. As you say, Perrin's book is a particularly notorious example of this.
 
Exactly. There's the related phenomenon where whoever writes about something first tends to be regarded as the expert and whatever they write is regarded as gospel. So that's why many Westerners still continue to believe that all samurai followed bushido, the ninja myths, the 47 Ronin and Asano were shining heroes, rotating volley fire at Nagashino, the sword was a samurai's front line weapon, Zen=Buddhism=samurai, etc etc etc. As you say, Perrin's book is a particularly notorious example of this.

One of these new viewing is about the so-called isolationism in the Edo period. As a schoolboy I have learned that Japan communicated with foreigners only in Nagasaki (Dejima), and after 10 years as I tought that there were in fact four doors to the oversea: Nagasaki for China and the Netherlands, Tsushima for Korea, Ezo with the Ainu and Russia and Ryukyu. The understanding about Nagasaki as the single international port was strongly influenced by the view of the Westerners.
 
I meant which effect will these events have.

the event descions series of the shogun, try to break away from men trying to control. a weak of but diplomatic shogun, to damyio he trust he out his seal of authority, for damyioo/clan leader gain it title of offices, that give boost in honor, rentuie cap, and easier to recruit ronin. For shogun after said amount of time can formal ask to swear loyalty as faithful retainer, possible gaining a powerful vassal.

If shogun weak there possible of strong lord coming in, with high rank court, to use the poor shogun as a rubber stamp. Now thing control of shogun similar the pope control in CK, he call crusades well shogun can name clan enemy of the state, which affect would be ever clan dog pilling who ever is the enemy of the state, and high chances of non member of ruling family of clan to break away.

If puppet/weak shogun can break of away from de facto master, use ability him self.

If reasonably strong lord take the Kyoto, depend on bloodline and trait he as different option, if claim to have relation to the Seiwa Genji line(he gain this through family, marriage, or just forge it.), then gain all ability of the shogun with out having master over his head. Or can install himself as the Protector of Kyoto ( that would name for defacto master of shogun/ruler at court, or install himself as regent if his court title is high enough.

Final level of shogun would be strong, (by game mechanics normal some get declare shogun.) Time period in game of how they stay together will repersentive the time period of shogun consolidation of his power over Japan.
 
the event descions series of the shogun, try to break away from men trying to control. a weak of but diplomatic shogun, to damyio he trust he out his seal of authority, for damyioo/clan leader gain it title of offices, that give boost in honor, rentuie cap, and easier to recruit ronin. For shogun after said amount of time can formal ask to swear loyalty as faithful retainer, possible gaining a powerful vassal.

If shogun weak there possible of strong lord coming in, with high rank court, to use the poor shogun as a rubber stamp. Now thing control of shogun similar the pope control in CK, he call crusades well shogun can name clan enemy of the state, which affect would be ever clan dog pilling who ever is the enemy of the state, and high chances of non member of ruling family of clan to break away.

If puppet/weak shogun can break of away from de facto master, use ability him self.

If reasonably strong lord take the Kyoto, depend on bloodline and trait he as different option, if claim to have relation to the Seiwa Genji line(he gain this through family, marriage, or just forge it.), then gain all ability of the shogun with out having master over his head. Or can install himself as the Protector of Kyoto ( that would name for defacto master of shogun/ruler at court, or install himself as regent if his court title is high enough.

Final level of shogun would be strong, (by game mechanics normal some get declare shogun.) Time period in game of how they stay together will repersentive the time period of shogun consolidation of his power over Japan.

Interesting idea, but generally there are some problems.
- The first problem is, some scenarios don't have a Shogunate at the game start. We could make events for certain scenarios where the Shogunate exist, or create also some decisions to establish a new Shogunate (or a "central government").
- The second problem is, a clan having your Shogunate setting will easily disappear during the game. For example, in 1467 scenario noone can guarantee the existence of the Ashikaga clan after 20-30 years after the game start.

I guess making rather flavor and interactional events and decisions like the imperial court system of vanilla will be fun. On the other hand, making a system with several grades of the Shogunate according to its power will be a ton of work but get only few reward for that.
 
I guess making rather flavor and interactional events and decisions like the imperial court system of vanilla will be fun. On the other hand, making a system with several grades of the Shogunate according to its power will be a ton of work but get only few reward for that.
Maybe do something like how the Emperor trait was in CK1. Give head of Ashikaga clan a trait like "nominal shogun" (with maybe some diplo and honour bonus) and add some flavour events for that, and some events if you have Ashikaga as your vassals.

In truth Shoguns power and authority would depend on his ability to send armies to kill and pillage anyone who didn't agree on his commands, and that's pretty much what main game mechanics are for anyway. Shogun without armies of his own shouldn't be able to do much just by being a Shogun.
 
Maybe do something like how the Emperor trait was in CK1. Give head of Ashikaga clan a trait like "nominal shogun" (with maybe some diplo and honour bonus) and add some flavour events for that, and some events if you have Ashikaga as your vassals.

Sadly, the traits in Sengoku are distributed for the random characters at the game start. We can make an event to remove the trait from the irrelevant characters, but it is not a wonderful method.
On the other hand, we can also make an inheritable character modifier. The character window of the game doesn't have the place to show the character modifiers, but it is better to set up the Shogun modifier for the Ashikaga leader.
 
The game need some more features from CKII... Thre are non-random traits. And you can create characters ingame... If this work some Euopean characters ingame would be a nice flavour. Cultural modding is also not the best thing in Sengoku... I hope really for a patch or expansion, which correct all this :)
 
The game need some more features from CKII... Thre are non-random traits. And you can create characters ingame... If this work some Euopean characters ingame would be a nice flavour. Cultural modding is also not the best thing in Sengoku... I hope really for a patch or expansion, which correct all this :)

We have to work with the given stuff, and basically I'm fine with them. Of course it would be great if there is a patch which allows us to use some important commands in CK2. However, until CK2 will have Sengoku face pack and Sengoku Music pack DLCs, this game has advantage over CK2. :)
 
One of these new viewing is about the so-called isolationism in the Edo period. As a schoolboy I have learned that Japan communicated with foreigners only in Nagasaki (Dejima), and after 10 years as I tought that there were in fact four doors to the oversea: Nagasaki for China and the Netherlands, Tsushima for Korea, Ezo with the Ainu and Russia and Ryukyu. The understanding about Nagasaki as the single international port was strongly influenced by the view of the Westerners.

That's another good example. Since most Europeans were barred, it must be 'Sakoku' (closed country)-at least to them, but there was a good amount of contact (especially during and after Yoshimune's reign) and Japan had some idea of what was going on elsewhere in the world. Right now there's a lot of research being done that shows Tosa and Choshu actually were doing a lot of 'unofficial' trading with other countries during the era as well (much like how Satsuma unofficially traded with China via the Ryukyu).
 
That's another good example. Since most Europeans were barred, it must be 'Sakoku' (closed country)-at least to them, but there was a good amount of contact (especially during and after Yoshimune's reign) and Japan had some idea of what was going on elsewhere in the world. Right now there's a lot of research being done that shows Tosa and Choshu actually were doing a lot of 'unofficial' trading with other countries during the era as well (much like how Satsuma unofficially traded with China via the Ryukyu).
I bought a book about that while ago called Defining Engagement: Japan and Global Contexts, 1640-1868 that seems concentrated on all these other international channels and unofficial trade besides just Nagasaki. Haven't had a chance to read it yet though. :)
 
I bought a book about that while ago called Defining Engagement: Japan and Global Contexts, 1640-1868 that seems concentrated on all these other international channels and unofficial trade besides just Nagasaki. Haven't had a chance to read it yet though. :)

Sounds nice.

By the way, the trade with China, Korea, the Ainu should be represented in game too.
 
I concur you will put some modifiers in relevant provinces then? ;) Or will you make certain provinces have a prerequisite which will be needed by a Trade with China/Trade with Korea/Trade with Ainu buildings?
 
I concur you will put some modifiers in relevant provinces then? ;) Or will you make certain provinces have a prerequisite which will be needed by a Trade with China/Trade with Korea/Trade with Ainu buildings?

Maybe with events. The richness of these ports as buildings are already represented in this mod.
 
Religions

The mechanic about the religions is one of the fields to be tweaked. We need to make three religions more characteristic and important in the game play.

Currently I have some plan about the characteristics of three religions (Buddhism, Shinto, Christianity).

Buddhism

Effect of the temple
Military bonus:increase the damage
Economy bonus:more opportunity of lucky events
Character bonus:more opportunity of increasing military stat

Shinto
Effect of the shrine
Military bonus:increase the speed of the levy recovery
Economy bonus:less opportunity of natural diseases
Character bonus:more opportunity of increasing intrigue stat

Christianity
Effect of the church
Military bonus:increase the gun production
Economy bonus:increase the tax income
Character bonus:more opportunity of increasing diplomacy stat

Each religious leader could have extra retinue, honor and income bonus.
 
That's a fabulous design! Do put some extra boni for religious leaders - definitely!

I'm only buffled why would Shinto decrease diseases - was that what actually happened?


P.S. I've sent a PM to Kyriakos who some time ago made his 2D services available for the community but since he has't been active for 2 months on these forums I have only little hopes...
 
I'm only buffled why would Shinto decrease diseases - was that what actually happened?

Well, the people in these days believed so. ;)
 
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