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I have just engaged 4 brithish sols with 9 of mine and 2 frigates. The ai leader was 6 5 5 and mine 4 2 2. Result, i lost six SoL and brithish none. I know of no naval engagement in the sailing age where such disparity of forces gave that result. Apart from better tech the other reason has to be the leader, but, anyway, the result is ridiculous. Another thing i can think about to explain the result was that i started with my morale at half the bar. It said i was receiving no supplies, but the supply bar was all green and my ships were sitting at my biggest port for several weeks before the engagement. And i have no supply problems with any unit. I guess it has to be a bug, or there is something i dont understand

As a whole different question, which is the best building to increase your revenue?
 
Heart of oak are our ships, jolly tars are our men,
We always are ready; steady, boys, steady!
We'll fight and we'll conquer again and again.

Pretty par for the course I'm afraid. And mind your back for El Draque
 
In addition to the British having great naval leaders (historically correct like the French land leaders) they also have national ideas that make their navy even more powerful. You need a coalition to beat them, Spain is almost a must have.
 
To have chance:

1) You should become naval dominant, or at least remove brits from it,
2) You should lose many battles bloody battles early to gain idea points, and then put all ideas to navy things ( big ship initative, attack , and naval speed),
3) You should build many ports ,and upgrade them. Massive loan at start can be helpfull, to start massive builds.
4) And at least avoid all british leaders to have chance to win, until you have 7:1 superiority, and lucky dice -> something like Frodo in lord of the rings had -> like 30 x 6 I think is enough:)
 
While we fought against the evil British overlords in the last 1700's I do think the British are represented correctly. But that of course is my opinion.
 
If I remember correctly, the battle of Trafalgar ended with no ships lost for the British fleet, while the French and Spanish fleets were unable to recover for the rest of the Napoleonic Wars, despite initially outnumbering the enemy. As difficult as it can be to overcome, I'm calling Working as Designed.

CURSE YOU NELSON!
 
Voffvoffhunden said:
If I remember correctly, the battle of Trafalgar ended with no ships lost for the British fleet, while the French and Spanish fleets were unable to recover for the rest of the Napoleonic Wars, despite initially outnumbering the enemy. As difficult as it can be to overcome, I'm calling Working as Designed.

CURSE YOU NELSON!
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Numbers were very similar at Trafalgar, and that not taking into account that a third of the allied fleet ships didnt engage. I am talking about a more than a two to one adventage. A i said, i know of a real life naval engagement thta gave a result remotely similar to mine (4 enemy sol against 9 of mine, i lost six of them for no enemy losses)
 
But is nearly impossible for both Spain , France , Netherlands , put all idea/money efforts to building navy and even have chance to win. Until player will play at speed 1 and start annoying micro every single ship. Or can use exploit with new patch to force GB player to put his navy from North Sea / Atlantic Sea to Mediterranean, and maybe ships will disappear:)

I understand british navy quality, and leaders skill but it is weird to see battle like Trafalgar every month.


P.S. I love system from HoI 3 when even Germany/Soviet Union have chance to build carrier fleet with proper tech (ofc but this cost a lot) and defeat GB, or Japan.
In mote MP usually nobody except GB invest in navy anyway, becouse Nelson power sinking every enemy in eye range.
 
SAS said:
How so?
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The fact that you can conquer Austria as Prussia without having to fight a single battle should be evidence enough. Battle results especially between ships are often very very weird. Considering that I doubt anyone put too much thought into balancing the leaders of one nation against the leaders of another. I think it ended with: great Britain did win most fleet actions so they need very strong admirals!
 
Ships in Age of Sail battles could be devastated above the waterline but still remain afloat, and the goal was not to sink the enemy ships but have them surrender by striking their colors. So ships damaged and captured are important measures of a result. British successes in the Napoleonic Wars had a lot to do with better leadership (though the British had their mediocrities as well) and improved tactics as well as ship quality. A direct confrontation of lines would be inconclusive at range if the fleets simply passed by, as happened enough before Trafalgar, or a grueling fight if both sides shot it out at effective range. The British would have the ship-on-ship advantage on equal rate, and against greatly superior numbers the enemy would have to be engaging piecemeal for the British to avoid taking a pounding to win. More than 2-1, probably best measured in weight of broadsides in the period, would be difficult indeed.

Leadership can only do so much to make the best of a situation, though when it finds an opportunity, such a gap in the enemy line of battle to penetrate and rake them with both broadsides, it can do a great deal.
 
And don't forget the crews gentlemen. The Royal Navy had better trained crews who could fire their broadsides much faster and more accurately than their counterparts. Each man also drank 8 pints of beer and half a pint of rum every day which basically meant they didn't give a shit. Yaaaaaahoooooooo. It wasn't all about the numbers.
 
I wouldn't want to play a Napoleonic game where the British didn't have awesome admirals (or for that matter, where the French didn't have awesome generals). Anything else wouldn't correctly represent the era.

But even still, it is very possible to get the upper hand on the RN. You have to take some beatings while your admirals learn tactics, and you have to put some points into naval ideas, but I have done it and I'm no expert at this game.
 
I believe they should be nerfed, i never beat them as spanish even with help of French although i had 12 on 3.
 
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