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And with that, if anyone still wants to discuss rules or register a complaint regarding Monday's vote counting decision, I'm ready. I don't see much percentage in prolonging the bitter incident by talking about it, but given that some players, perhaps rightfully, feel cheated out of victory due to it, they are right to express themselves on the matter. If I had not been prepared to take responsibility and heat for making calls, I wouldn't have signed on to GM.
 
Also, I can confirm that unclebryan had decided to not hunt tonight. Though, it wouldn't have mattered because he would have reached parity without if he had survived the vote.
 
Citizen1oo1 said:
I think the ghosts crossed the line of what they were supposed to say a couple of times.

In one game I played before everything sucked cause a ghost pm'd someone with rather important info. In this game we all pretended it didn't happen. What is the general rule on that?
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I don't know what the exact "penalty" would be. All I can say is that if there were any ghost comments that tended to suggest any course of action, or anything of that type, I must have missed them.
 
I can see why you made the decision you did, and it was your call to make, but I ultimately think going that route can set a bad precedent.

Look at a scenario where unclebryan "failed" to move his vote away from a villager onto a wolf. Look everyone, he's really a villager, honest, he made an attempt to save the village but a stupid typo ruined everything!

This is why I approve of "liberal" vote handling, the GM pretty much assumes every vote made is in good faith and acts accordingly. I think the spirit of the rules should be about making sure votes are clear for the GM to see, so he doesn't miss any.
 
Well, I was long dead by then, but I always enjoy a good rules discussion.

My main issue was that you were focussing on a very narrow bit of the rules while at the same time allowing people to 'bend' various other parts of the voting rules. Did you feel that your decision then was consistent with the rest of the game?
 
Falc said:
Well, I was long dead by then, but I always enjoy a good rules discussion.

My main issue was that you were focussing on a very narrow bit of the rules while at the same time allowing people to 'bend' various other parts of the voting rules. Did you feel that your decision then was consistent with the rest of the game?
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I don't know. It may have been the wrong choice. The problem was that at some point I reminded Rep Bentley about proper formatting and mentioned that from there one I expected votes to adhere to a more standard look, etc.

I felt that wolves played rather well and perhaps deserved to win in spite of the formatting error. At the same time, I knew doing so could irritate those who were expecting that votes had to be formatted properly. I made the decision hastily, and at that time felt it might have been unfair to assign victory with a crucial vote seeming not done quite according to the letter of the rules.

However, within hours, I began to second guess my ruling. But the choice had already been made at that point; we had already gone forward and it seemed impossible and arguably even more unfair to reserve a course of action already taken.
 
Regarding the post I edited - It wasn't my intention to give anything away. But I think the way I worded it people could have interpreted that I was mentioning the name of a wolf, when I hadn't meant it that way.

I think I've made my position on Cliges ruling pretty clear, so I won't add anything further.
 
While the point of the bold is generally to draw attention to the vote in order to let the GM notice it and I have accepted non-bolded votes in the past, I think you made the correct decision.
 
There was a post by someone who was a ghost that crossed the line, but it is no longer visible, but it might have been by a fellow wolf, although I recall it being my EUR007, I cannot find it now. I did not protest at the time, because there is no useful punishment. You need players, so a ban would not help. Besides, EUR07 complimented me on my first night choice of hunt victim. The wolves in the next game should hunt Cliges first to maintain the tradition.

My first rejected vote was in size 4 so it was clearly different than normal text. Basically, the GM decision should have decided the game then and there. That it didn't was surprising. That was the risk of a late switch.
 
Who gives two pickles about formatting? It's the intent that counts. If the vote is there, and clearly legible, then it is a vote worth counting.

Wolves fail spectacularly. You could have controlled the village to your wish. Perhaps if snoop had lived longer, that may have been the case.

Such as it is, this game was good. Had fun.
 
If you don't mind my asking, why didn't the 2 remaining wolves attempt to do a tie on the next to last day? While it might have been too late for citizen, a tie would have left unclebryan at a one to one parity after that night's hunt, meaning at least one could have won.
 
I have to agree with Euro here - If there's a "Vote X" I'll count it as a legal vote (if I spot it, bury it in a wall of text and it might be missed). Then it does not matter if it's bolded or colored or anything.

And it was a fun game to follow, since I did not get to play that much.... ;)

With regards to the ghost comment, the one that is being referred to did cross the line in my view. The person making this mistake (jpr if I recall correctly?) have hopefully learned from this and it does not seem to have affected the game too much. Just a good example of never giving anything away as a ghost before the GM confirms that the game is over as well as players never giving anything away before the GM confirms that you are indeed alive/dead.. :)
 
Unless a vote is incredibly buried and normal font I tend to always count it.
 
Cliges said:
If you don't mind my asking, why didn't the 2 remaining wolves attempt to do a tie on the next to last day? While it might have been too late for citizen, a tie would have left unclebryan at a one to one parity after that night's hunt, meaning at least one could have won.
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If my intended but improperly typed votes had been counted either the 2nd or third to last day the wolves would have won immediately. My vote switch on the next to last day would have created that tie and made me the sole victor. So I have no one to blame but myself.
 
My rules tend to say: "If I recognize it as a vote, I count it." It's the players' obligation to make their intention clear and undoubtable, there are many ways in which they can achieve that, if they still fail then too bad for them.
 
Falc said:
My rules tend to say: "If I recognize it as a vote, I count it." It's the players' obligation to make their intention clear and undoubtable, there are many ways in which they can achieve that, if they still fail then too bad for them.
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At the end of the day the GM makes the rules and makes the count.
 
jacob-Lundgren said:
At the end of the day the GM makes the rules and makes the count.
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Yes, but also at the end of the day, we're another day older. Is that really a standard we want to go by?

I say no to that and I say YES to America.
 
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