Gainmanufactory questions

[pgroves]

If a gainmanufactory event gives the location of a new manufactory as -2, does that mean it gets built in your capital province? Also if a specific location is given instead, but you already have a manufactory there, does it get replaced? I'm thinking of building a Fine Arts Academy as Russia before it gets the first one by event in1495 (under AGCEEP), but am wondering where to put it. I think Tula gets one later, but would this be placed elsewhere if one already exists there? If not I'm considering putting it in Ingernan, both for flavour, but also because it will become my capital later, but maybe it's better placed elsewhere, further east?

 

[Ober]

If a gainmanufactory event gives the location of a new manufactory as -2, does that mean it gets built in your capital province?

Most likely.

Also if a specific location is given instead, but you already have a manufactory there, does it get replaced?

Nah, old one stays in place I think.

I'm thinking of building a Fine Arts Academy as Russia before it gets the first one by event in1495 (under AGCEEP), but am wondering where to put it.

Tula (which is effectively Moscow in AGCEEP) gets one, probably it's that one in 1495, thou it's deleted along with conscription center (probably added at the same time) later on IIRC. Kazan seems to be a nice place for a Fine Arts, you know. Qazan, Volga, moniez...it's a nice place

 

[pgroves]

But if I already have a Fine Arts Academy in Tula when I get the event, does it get placed elsewhere, or do I LOSE the free academy? Btw I don't own Kazan yet, it's only 1471, I vassalised and MA-ed it instead, will wait until later to take the Sunni provinces. Any other reccommendations whereto put my first FAA? Needs to be in one of my original cores (BTW have annexed Novgorod and Pskov, probably want to avoid copper/iron and fish/naval suppply provinces and Tula and Moscow(?), as think they get them by event later and Nizgorod gets a Refinery.

 

[Kuld von Reyn]

Probably don't have to tell you, but make sure you control (you don't have to own it) Kazan between 1546 and 1600. You'll inherit it automatically and get a bunch of cores if you do.

As for the thread topic; IIRC whatever's in a province already will be replaced by the new manufactury added by event. At the very least, you'll probably not get it anywhere else just because you have a building there already.

FAAs are a complete waste of money though. They're near worthless even for a huge country like Russia, as the amount they add to your stability meter is next to nothing unless you build a ton of them. If I were to build one, I'd either wait until the fire in Moscow event and build a new one there, or wait until the capital change under Peter I and build one in St. Petersburg/Ingria instead.

 

[pgroves]

Probably don't have to tell you, but make sure you control (you don't have to own it) Kazan between 1546 and 1600. You'll inherit it automatically and get a bunch of cores if you do.

As for the thread topic; IIRC whatever's in a province already will be replaced by the new manufactury added by event. At the very least, you'll probably not get it anywhere else just because you have a building there already.

FAAs are a complete waste of money though. They're near worthless even for a huge country like Russia, as the amount they add to your stability meter is next to nothing unless you build a ton of them. If I were to build one, I'd either wait until the fire in Moscow event and build a new one there, or wait until the capital change under Peter I and build one in St. Petersburg/Ingria instead.

The fire in Moscow event in the current AGCEEP doesn't seem to destroy an manufactories, unless I'm missing something?: #(1547-1550) Fire in Moscow
event = {
id = 40067
trigger = { owned = { province = 279 data = -1 } }
random = no
country = RUS
name = "EVENTNAME40067" #Fire destroys Moscow
desc = "EVENTHIST40067"
#-#In July of 1547 a major fire broke out in Moscow and burnt it down
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1547 }
offset = 50
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1550 }
action_a = {
name = "CURSES"
command = { type = population which = 279 value = -1500 } #Tula
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = provincetax which = 279 value = -1 } #Tula
}
}

 

[Kuld von Reyn]

Ah, seems I misremembered then. You'd think a fire that burned down Moscow would remove the FAA there, after all.

 

[pgroves]

If I'm going to build one at all (which I still want to), the earlier the better, before they get expensive and to get as many years of income / stab reduction out of it as possible. They also increase population growth. I decided to build it in Ingerman (St. Petersberg) in the end.

 

[ConjurerDragon]

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FAAs are a complete waste of money though. They're near worthless even for a huge country like Russia, as the amount they add to your stability meter is next to nothing unless you build a ton of them. If I were to build one, I'd either wait until the fire in Moscow event and build a new one there, or wait until the capital change under Peter I and build one in St. Petersburg/Ingria instead.

Fine Art manufactories are not a complete waste of money. Especially in large empires with different religions and cultures like Russia stability and stability cost will be a problem. Going full narrowminded helps, but every FAA reduces the stability cost by 1% and add +5 ducats to your stability spending. I always try to have at least 1 in the capital. In small countries or countries that have only 1 religion or only accepted cultures in their borders they are less useful but even there not a waste of money.

 

[Kuld von Reyn]

Ah, I was unaware of the -1% to stability cost part. I never build them as I never play countries with stability issues, so I always assumed they only had the +5 ducats. Thank you for the heads up.

 

[pgroves]

Ah, I was unaware of the -1% to stability cost part. I never build them as I never play countries with stability issues, so I always assumed they only had the +5 ducats. Thank you for the heads up.

I wasn't actually aware of that either, they also increase the population growth of the city in the province it's built in by 2%, which can help in rich provinces or if you just want to help build capacity in that province

 

[pgroves]

Fine Art manufactories are not a complete waste of money. Especially in large empires with different religions and cultures like Russia stability and stability cost will be a problem. Going full narrowminded helps, but every FAA reduces the stability cost by 1% and add +5 ducats to your stability spending. I always try to have at least 1 in the capital. In small countries or countries that have only 1 religion or only accepted cultures in their borders they are less useful but even there not a waste of money.

I'm actually even thinking of building another one, in Novgorod, before I get the one in Tula by event in 1495 and the cost goes up again...