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Well, that fail was certainly unexpected.

I don't think that that there was more than 1 spy on this team. While both Cymsdale and Cliges as spies still could make sense it would be a very high risk/high reward maneuver. I am not sure that anyone would dare to do that so I am going to discount that for now.

If only one of the team is a spy then it has to be Cliges due to the card play and the following announcement (obviously I am going to exclude myself as a suspect).

I'd be OK if that Overheard Conversation was used on me though I would rather have marty use it on Cliges.

Edit: Emu'd by Falc.
 
gliomarto said:
Eh, why do you need both Cliges and Marty lying? If only Cliges is the spy it is still ok with facts we have.
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But if Marty tells us Cliges is resistance then either they are both resistance or both spies. If he tells us Cliges is a spy we know that either Marty is a spy or both Cliges and Cyms are spies.
 
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Falc said:
OVERHEARD CONVERSATION goes to MARTY99

I am myself unsure of whom I'd use it on...

If Cymsdale's a spy then so is Cliges, so use it on Cyms to potentially find two Spies
OR
If Cliges is Resistance then so is Cyms, so use it on Cliges to potentially find two Resistance (and one Spy, TNT)


All assuming Marty isn't a Spy and lies, of course...
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Makes sense to me.
 
jpr123 said:
But if Marty tells us Cliges is resistance then either they are both resistance or both spies. If he tells us Cliges is a spy we know that either Marty is a spy or both Cliges and Cyms are spies.
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I still can't understand you, really. Are you saying that the option that spy will honestly tell that the one he checked is a Resistance is impossible, and that spies always lie? That is exactly what I call a fallacy.
 
Ugh, you are right. Re-reading that now, it no longer makes any sense to me :p

All we know is that if Marty tells us Cliges is a spy then it's very likely that at least one of them is a spy. I'll stop speculating now and actually wait till the card is played...
 
Listen, by the very nature of the game, there is no way for any card to be played in the early rounds and have everyone be sure about everything. It just doesn't work that way.

The point is to build up a set of small truths and conditionals, that you can link together to form the big picture. Sometimes that is done by setting things up that might get contradicted later, but that later contradiction will teach you a lot of information.
 
Edit: I had the scan backwards, have to make a new post, putting old post in a spoiler to keep the history, but don't want it to be used.

I liked the suggestion of giving the card to me to scan TNT, he was the only completely unknown. That would have told us the most. It is highly unlikely that Cliges and Cymsdale are both spies. They likely would not have approved the mission, and also unlikely that there was only a single sabotage if they were both spies. Giving the card to Marty and having him scan someone that was involved in the first scan is a waste in my opinion.

But, it is what it is, and the card was given to marty. Marty I suggest scanning Cymsdale, because clearing Cymsdale will auto-clear Cliges, and hand us TNT as the spy. If we scan Cliges, we can't be sure that Cyms is resistance or not. Maybe I'll think through the possibilities.

- Scan Cliges
-- If SPY, then Cymsdale is a spy
-- If Resistance, then Cymsdale is either spy or resistance

- Scan Cymsdale
-- If SPY, then Cliges is spy or resistance
-- If Resistance, then Cliges is resistance.

Just to satisfy my curiosity if we had scanned TNT:

- Scan TNT
-- If SPY, then Cliges and Cymsdale likely resistance
-- If Resistance, then Cymsdale is the likely spy

Scanning TNT would have been better IMO, but of course this is all under the wild hope and assumption that the scanner is not a spy. :p
 
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Falc said:
Marty, I'm starting to think using it on Cliges would be the best idea, so please do that.
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Edit: Nevermind, had it backwards, ignore this post.

Scanning Cymsdale is way better. If Cyms is a spy, then cliges is 'likely' resistance. If Cyms is resistance, then Cliges is definitely resistance.
 
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Lets try this again....Thanks jpr for pointing out my mistake

I liked the suggestion of giving the card to me to scan TNT, he was the only completely unknown. That would have told us the most. It is highly unlikely that Cliges and Cymsdale are both spies. They likely would not have approved the mission, and also unlikely that there was only a single sabotage if they were both spies. Giving the card to Marty and having him scan someone that was involved in the first scan is a waste in my opinion.

But, it is what it is, and the card was given to marty. Marty I suggest scanning Cliges, because clearing Cliges will auto-clear Cymsdale, and hand us TNT as the spy. If we scan Cymsdale, we can't be sure that Cliges is resistance or not. Maybe I'll think through the possibilities.

- Scan Cliges
-- If SPY, then Cymsdale is spy or resistance, but 'likely' resistance due to two spies being less likely to single sabotage
-- If Resistance, then Cymsdale is resistance

- Scan Cymsdale
-- If SPY, then Cliges is a definite spy.
-- If Resistance, then Cliges is spy or resistance.

Just to satisfy my curiosity if we had scanned TNT:

- Scan TNT
-- If SPY, then Cliges and Cymsdale likely resistance
-- If Resistance, then Cliges is the likely spy

Scanning TNT would have been better IMO, but of course this is all under the wild hope and assumption that the scanner is not a spy. :p
 
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The sooner I can be cleared, then you have 1 other. The sooner I'm proven Resistance, Cymsdale is confirmed. I would have to be an idiot to state publicly that he's Resistance and put him on a team if I knew his role was a Spy.
 
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