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Sorry to always be the last one, guys. Just a bit busy these days, and will read up now.

EDIT: Apparently I have some sort of card. I'm reading up anyway but could you guys summarise what you want me to do with it, in case I miss something?
 
However, there has been some speculation that only one of Cliges and Cymsdale could be a spy. Eagle-eyed as I am, I refer you this post, last game, from Cymsdale:

EDIT: Also, if I am a spy, I'll let my future spy brothers know that I will always sabotage every mission I'm on so they don't have to (exploits lol :laugh:).
Cliges made the posts directly before and after this, and was the GM of that game. I think we can assume he read that post, and let's face it they're two crafty players. I would even begin to think of ruling out the two of them being in a spy-pack together.
 
However, there has been some speculation that only one of Cliges and Cymsdale could be a spy. Eagle-eyed as I am, I refer you this post, last game, from Cymsdale:


Cliges made the posts directly before and after this, and was the GM of that game. I think we can assume he read that post, and let's face it they're two crafty players. I would even begin to think of ruling out the two of them being in a spy-pack together.

Yeah, but Cymsdale had his role revealed to me through the card last round. When the card you just played turns up that I'm Resistance, and it shall, it would then be pretty obvious that it makes no sense for a goodie to lie and cover for a spy.

The plus side of the failed mission is that I at least know with no uncertainty or doubt the identity of one Spy. It might have been a big strategic mistake for tnt in the long term to sabotage so early. Further, if Cymsdale didn't have that card, it would have still left at least some confusion, but since we did have that card during that round, it just confirmed tnt as a Spy.
 
Now that I've softened you guys up to the idea of a Cymsdale/Cliges combo, time to blow this pack wide open.


...except, as it turns out,

Cliges
is a resistance member.

Therefore, from my perspective, the following are certainties
Cymsdale and Cliges are both resistance,
TNT is a Spy

It's now up to the spies to completely discredit me, that's really the only way they can have a decent chance. Therefore, if there is a fourth spy on this mission he will almost certainly sabotage, as building trust in us three is not going to give them much chance.

I'd damn well like to see a team with the three of us in it. Not sure who the fourth should be. And with the two 'keeping a close eye on you' cards, y'all can check up on us.




I suggest the player(s) with the KACEOY card(s) does not explicitly state if they intend to use it, and who they intend to use it on. This won't let any potential spies (that's me for you guys, or the 4th member from my perspective), from knowing whether to sabotage or not.
On second thoughts, maybe making sure you use it on the fourth guy to make sure we either get a spy, two spies, or a successful mission, is probably better.



I know now who should be the fourth member of the team.

If Falc is a spy, then what he has done is pretty damn dumb, or else part of some masterplan. I'd lean towards really dumb. You may not trust me yet, but I know that Falc as a spy really shouldn't have let the resistance get a 3-man chain of trust.
Sure, people were suggesting giving it to me. But it would've been easy to make up some BS argument for pretty much anyone else. No, I think that if Falc is a spy, he played a seriously bad move, or else is planning something complex to discredit me, and thus the two C's. With two KACEOY cards (albeit at his discretion) in play, it's going to be quite hard to discredit us by sabotaging a mission.

Therefore, I want to see a team of
Me
Cymsdale
Cliges
Falc

For the next round. Let's do this.


Resistance, and it shall, it would then be pretty obvious that it makes no sense for a goodie to lie and cover for a spy.

The plus side of the failed mission is that I at least know with no uncertainty or doubt the identity of one Spy. It might have been a big strategic mistake for tnt in the long term to sabotage so early. Further, if Cymsdale didn't have that card, it would have still left at least some confusion, but since we did have that card during that round, it just confirmed tnt as a Spy.[/QUOTE]
I know now, but I just wanted to note it down while I still remembered it, in case you were a spy and I had forgotten. But it's all good now.
So anyway, what do you think of my suggestion of Falc?
 
I'm a little confused, do you think Falc is a spy and you are attempting to expose him, or do you think he's not a spy and therefore want him on the mission?
 
So, we have three possibilities:
1) TNT is a spy, Cliges+Cyms are Res.
2) TNT is unknown, Cliges+Marty are spie, Cyms is Res.
3) Spies are Cliges+Cyms+Marty.

The third option may look like an extremely improbable at first, but it is still a possibility and I will not fully dismiss it.
Also, I'd like to get one of KACEOY's, and the second shall go to someone yet univolved — Citizemn, Xarkan or jpr.
I have an idea as to how to use KACEOY's effectively.
 
I'm a little confused, do you think Falc is a spy and you are attempting to expose him, or do you think he's not a spy and therefore want him on the mission?
I don't think he's a spy. I think he's the least likely spy of the rest.

But if he is a spy, it still won't be that bad because of the KACEOY cards.


Oh, Falc

I strongly suggest Falc gives the KACEOY cards, at least one of them, to Cymsdale or Cliges. If you don't fully trust us, and that's understandable, give one only. But if you don't give either of them to us, I'll be seriously suspicious.
 
I strongly suggest Falc gives the KACEOY cards, at least one of them, to Cymsdale or Cliges. If you don't fully trust us, and that's understandable, give one only. But if you don't give either of them to us, I'll be seriously suspicious.
I strongly oppose this.
 
The third option may look like an extremely improbable at first, but it is still a possibility and I will not fully dismiss it.
Also, I'd like to get one of KACEOY's, and the second shall go to someone yet univolved — Citizemn, Xarkan or jpr.
I have an idea as to how to use KACEOY's effectively.
No. None of you guys are cleared, so why would you get both the KACEOY cards?
If Falc is a spy he could give them to his two spymates. If Falc is resistance, he could still end up giving both to spies, out of you and one of the other 3. This is a terribly idea, as clearly one of the two at least should go to Cliges or Cymsdale.
 
I strongly oppose this.
Why?

I can understand you not trusting us.
But on the other hand, we have a 3-man chain of trust and we have absolutely no reason to trust you.

That's why, the only sensible thing to do is to give one card to Cliges or Cymsdale, and give another to someone else.

Not giving any of us a single KACEOY card will be looked as incredibly poor play, or blatant spying.

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But since you seem so forceful, give us your reasons. Give us the reason why would you deny the cards to a group of three who claim to have cleared each other (okay, they don't know I'm cleared, but I'm not asking for the card myself), and give both to complete random players, who we have no reason to trust at all?

You also said you had an 'effective idea' as to how to use them. Let's hear it.
 
So, we have three possibilities:
1) TNT is a spy, Cliges+Cyms are Res.
2) TNT is unknown, Cliges+Marty are spie, Cyms is Res.
3) Spies are Cliges+Cyms+Marty.

The third option may look like an extremely improbable at first, but it is still a possibility and I will not fully dismiss it.
Also, I'd like to get one of KACEOY's, and the second shall go to someone yet univolved — Citizemn, Xarkan or jpr.
I have an idea as to how to use KACEOY's effectively.

Let's just say that if #3 is true, and they miraculously get only one sabotage this round, they deserve to win.

#1 is most likely in my opinion, but #2 is by no means a stretch. I like the team marty proposed.
 
Why? Because when there is a spy on your team as well, and we have to pick an absolutely pure team of 4 in round 3, we will have no information whatsoever on those outside your "chain". Guess what chances are to pick a Res-only team in that case? I guess you know already, that's your plan, isn't it?
 
Let's just say that if #3 is true, and they miraculously get only one sabotage this round, they deserve to win.

#1 is most likely in my opinion, but #2 is by no means a stretch. I like the team marty proposed.

That might be the case, if it wasn't for this:

In. Hopefully as resistance this time, I'm tired of being a spy!

EDIT: Also, if I am a spy, I'll let my future spy brothers know that I will always sabotage every mission I'm on so they don't have to (exploits lol :laugh:).

So no, it wouldn't be that hard for a three spy team to get one sabotage.
 
So...

EITHER
Marty/Cliges/Cymsdale are Resistance
OR
Marty is a Spy
OR
Marty and Cliges are Spies
OR
Marty/Cliges/Cymsdale are Spies

Let's see...

I will PROPOSE A TEAM CONSISTING OF:

FALC
MARTY
CYMSDALE
CLIGES

I'm not entirely sure yet if I trust Marty, but in a way, I prefer putting it up to a vote and letting everyone decide democratically.

The two other cards will be dealt as randomly as possible. I want two different players giving me a 3-digit number each.
 
Why?

I can understand you not trusting us.
But on the other hand, we have a 3-man chain of trust and we have absolutely no reason to trust you.

That's why, the only sensible thing to do is to give one card to Cliges or Cymsdale, and give another to someone else.

Not giving any of us a single KACEOY card will be looked as incredibly poor play, or blatant spying.

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But since you seem so forceful, give us your reasons. Give us the reason why would you deny the cards to a group of three who claim to have cleared each other (okay, they don't know I'm cleared, but I'm not asking for the card myself), and give both to complete random players, who we have no reason to trust at all?

You also said you had an 'effective idea' as to how to use them. Let's hear it.

Stop editing your posts -_- I read them, then go back to them and they are different. I don't think the message change in general, but you added to it, making it possible to miss information.
 
Why? Because when there is a spy on your team as well, and we have to pick an absolutely pure team of 4 in round 3, we will have no information whatsoever on those outside your "chain". Guess what chances are to pick a Res-only team in that case? I guess you know already, that's your plan, isn't it?
Wait, what?

I think you're trying to fit facts to suit your argument here.

I only ask for one card to Cliges, or Cymsdale.
The other can go to one of citizen, Xarkan, or jpr, I don't care which. If I were Falc and was resistance, I'd toss up between the three of them. Then, if I'm a spy, you still have one KACEOY card almost certainly in the hands of a spy (If I'm a spy, at least one, and probably both, of Cliges and Cymsdale, are also spies. This means everyone else is very likely resistance in that (false) scenario).
I would NOT give the card to you as your behaviour looks like a desperate spy by this point.

That's my suggestion on what would seem the wisest course of action for Falc. If it was me, I know giving both to cliges and cymsdale is the best option. I know you guys can't know that for sure, so give us one and give 1XJ guys the other KACEOY.
 
That might be the case, if it wasn't for this:



So no, it wouldn't be that hard for a three spy team to get one sabotage.

If they are all spies, and they won because of Cymsdale's 'meta-gaming of the system', then this forum game will not work anymore, and I will no longer participate. So for sake of liking this game, and not wanting to believe that people would do such things, I'm going to assume that is not happening.