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So are we going to burn this guy at the stake or not?
you cant speak ill of the gods and go unpunished, unacceptable.

nah, we'll just fallujah firebomb him during a Baghdad barbecue. also i call dibs on dual wielding the handheld plasma cutters!
 
Sorry guys no violence talk against another member even in jest please.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion provided they express it in a polite fashion.
 
Why do most Paradox moderators have copy and paste beliefs in a friendly community that can take a joke? ;)
Please see rule 2 before making posts like this.
But your answer is because We have had serious threats of violence including death threats against staff and other members in the past which tends to make us more vigilant about these issues.
We are not unreasonable, no one was infracted or formally warned for these posts, they were escalating in nature and I simply wanted to halt it before it got to the point I need to take more direct action.

If anyone wishes to discuss the matter further or has further concerns feel free to PM me.
Please do not derail the thread with this issue.
 
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This is all the answer I needed to this question.
 
we're lazy

And we love lazy guys and copy/pasting (the single best command in computers), so we keep buying. As long as we keep buying, the keep pasting... It's a never ending circle! I just wonder why it takes them so long to paste new expansions / games??
 
I think your seeing what you want to see. He says "they all seem the same." Than he goes on to list what he considers the same "Europa Universalis, Crusader Kings, Hearts of Iron".
Had we been discussing the older titles then I'd agree, but if you look at CK2 and HoI4 then you can see each title starts branching out of the "same" interface type they all shared as some point (due to shared engine). So the claim is valid on the surface, but only partially - as I've said, later titles prove this claim wrong - and it falls flat when we compare what each title is supposed to deliver. In fact, save for EU series, I think all the other games are branching out well enough to not consider them being "all the same", despite similarities.
 
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Let me tell you a story.

I have been a hardcore Total War player for about 10 years. Only in the last 1 year, I played Crusader Kings II for the first time and I realised I had been in the wrong series and causing myself a lot of pain and frustration.
Since then over the next 12 months I ended up throwing away my all TW games in the trash, literally, and switched to Paradox.

I consider myself a good CK2 player now, not expert but competent in all areas of the game.
When I started playing EUIV I jumped right in, thinking it would be fine after getting good at CK2, but I was totally lost and within 10 minutes I had no idea what I was doing.

One of the big differences between Total War games and Paradox games (among other things): Total War games have a very different look and feel to them with totally different graphical models and mechanics.
But this is only on the surface. After a while, you realise that it is the same pathetic shallow ahistorical joke as all the other Total War games. They just reskinned all the models with the exact same silly gameplay.
Total War has the graphics of history, but Paradox games have the gameplay of history.

With Paradox games, they superfically have a similar look and feel to them and when you look at the map of a new game you think you understand what is going on.
But this is an illusion. The games are not just a bit different but radically different in their mechanics and you are in an alien world once you get stuck into gameplay.
This is because the way war and politics worked in those eras was so different for many historical reasons - in other words, it makes sense.
For example I haven't played HOI3 but I'm watching Let's Plays on YouTube and after many hours watching I still have no idea what's going on most of the time, there's too much foreign complexity.

So.... basically you couldn't be more wrong.

Q.E.D.

This is pretty much the exact thing that happened with me. A legacy from my dark days of Total War is a desire, however unrealistic, to see Medieval 2 Total War's battles married with CK2's everything else.
 
Obviously the newer games are quite different, and have a lot of upgrades. But to play devil's advocate, there is a lot of LITERAL copy and pasting. The Hearts of Iron leader files are the biggest example. Localization, events, triggers, that sort of thing also.
 
EU 4 and CK2 are vastly different games, considering one is heavily focused on managing intrigue and family within your realm and the other is more focused on trade and empire. However, the Hearts of Iron series hasn't really changed significantly in my opinion if you look at HOI 2, AOD, or even HOI 3. No point in purchasing essentially the same game with upgraded graphics and slight tweaks here and there, which I would imagine is what we will get with HOI 4. Perhaps Paradox will mix up the HOI series after they have rehashed WWII several more times, or it will be a rinse and repeat of WWII again and again.
 
No point in purchasing essentially the same game with upgraded graphics and slight tweaks here and there, which I would imagine is what we will get with HOI 4.
You're not watching a lot of information - DDs, press articles - about HoI4, are you? HoI4 appears to go into the same vein of being vastly different, just like CK2.
 
They all seem the same. Europa Universalis, Crusader Kings, Hearts of Iron,...etc...
You should have seen the old ones. :D

Was it... The first Heats of Iron, I think, that included EU2 icons and sounds in it's install folders?

Still, they're not any more "the same" as any other 2 games of the same genre built on the same engine.
 
The maps and interface are somewhat similar, and the game's files have a similar base format.

I think that's pretty much it.

Modding the old games was a lot of fun, you were suddenly left wondering why there were EU2 files in your HoI folder until you realized they were there from the beginning :laugh: