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rofay

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Hello, I just joined the forum to post this,

I'm a huge fan of Victoria and EU, and I would like to see a game on that basis that focus on the time after the WWII until today, for example the Cold War, Vietnam, German unification, Portuguese revolution , etc.

Instead of focusing the game in technology and war, the game would be more political and econimical oriented, without neglecting the other sectors.

A few ideas of mine:


The military system of Victoria/EU, it's more simple than HoI, and since it would be as important I see no reason to have such a complex system like HoI.

3D troop models, each country with one different according to culture (for example, south america would have the same soldier but with different colours)

Regiments of 100/300 men, not 3000, regiments of airforce with 10 helicopters or 5 jets, not the same as infantry, and that kind of proportion to the rest of artillery

Ocean division (EEZ and International Waters) this would create fishing zones and Mining zones (oil)

The in-land division would be something like Victoria 2, a region with sub-regions, not like the EU system.

Tech would be divided in more sectors, and we would be given the ability to research multiple stuff depending on our power.

More in-country focus, stuff liek factory building and creation of new urban zones, investement on cities/zones, infrastructures etc.

Also, the ability to play as a character/party, for example, play as Franco in Spain, or a lesser party and then rise to power by 'conquering' the country's population to vote for them.



There is more stuff of course,but first I would like to see your opinions on this, and more ideas/suggestions for this game.

Thank you
 
as you, also i would like very much a game from the start of the cold war to modern day...
but, sadly, paradox already stated that they won't do a cold war game (probably due to the ending of EvsW)...
there is still the option of the HOIIV cold-war dlc, but i fear nothing more...
i would love to be wrong...

good idea, by the way...
 
Don't remind me of a certain Cold War game. I might cry again.

But yes, I think a proper PDS Cold War game is much overdue. I mean, I love CK, EU, Vic, and HoI, but I would really like to see some new periods covered. Cold War would probably play the best as a blend of HoI warfare and Victoria POPs.
 
yes, but I dont intend it to be Cold War specified, I would like to see a game from 1945 to 2015, with coverage from the Cold War, not only the Cold War, like I said before, the German reunification, the Portuguese and Spanish dictactorships, etc


(BTW: I had no idea that EvsW even existed, I feel kind of ashamed ahah)
 
rofay said:
yes, but I dont intend it to be Cold War specified, I would like to see a game from 1945 to 2015, with coverage from the Cold War, not only the Cold War, like I said before, the German reunification, the Portuguese and Spanish dictactorships, etc


(BTW: I had no idea that EvsW even existed, I feel kind of ashamed ahah)
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Yes, but a game of that timeframe would, naturally, be Cold War oriented. 46 years of the Cold War as opposed to 24 years of Post-Cold War.
 
keneticpest said:
Yes, but a game of that timeframe would, naturally, be Cold War oriented. 46 years of the Cold War as opposed to 24 years of Post-Cold War.
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46 years of constant fear of global nuclear war (ww3) while the last 24 years have been boring with only some camel riding terrorists causing some problems.
 
I think that "Present Day" could fit more into V-type of a game. HoI is pretty much only about war, with a bit of diplomacy. V is not only about war, but also about societies nations are housing, something that'd require modding HoI into... a V-like game with bits of HoI (on military level of organization).
 
Holy.Death said:
I think that "Present Day" could fit more into V-type of a game. HoI is pretty much only about war, with a bit of diplomacy. V is not only about war, but also about societies nations are housing, something that'd require modding HoI into... a V-like game with bits of HoI (on military level of organization).
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I don't see so many rebellions in the streets nowadays (constant political rebels in Victoria 2 for no apparent reason). And nowadays there is no mass buildup of industries either. The military of Victoria series does not at all fit into the military of today. There is no concern about literacy in most countries. Just to name a couple of major points against your opinion...
 
Just to name a couple of major points against your opinion...
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You simply misunderstood me. I am not asking for copy-paste all mechanics from V2. It should be enough to take a look at EvsW to see that this can be done in V-like style within modern times. We don't see rebellions, but we do see riots and people protesting a lot. Poland, Hungary or Vietnams are be good examples where "political(/ideological?) rebels" were more significant than you give them credit for. There are also modern wars of influence that fit more into V-style than HoI-style (which is all-out war), etc. Yes, you can't make copy-paste of V2 into modern times, but ultimately V-style fits more into modern times that HoI-style.
 
Holy.Death said:
You simply misunderstood me. I am not asking for copy-paste all mechanics from V2. It should be enough to take a look at EvsW to see that this can be done in V-like style within modern times. We don't see rebellions, but we do see riots and people protesting a lot. Poland, Hungary or Vietnams are be good examples where "political(/ideological?) rebels" were more significant than you give them credit for. There are also modern wars of influence that fit more into V-style than HoI-style (which is all-out war), etc. Yes, you can't make copy-paste of V2 into modern times, but ultimately V-style fits more into modern times that HoI-style.
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Those big rebellions were during the cold war not in the present time. The only really war is the war against terrorism (oil supply) which the US engages in but that is not really a war but an occupation. EvW mechanisms would have been good for the Cold War and also far superior to both Victoria and Hearts of Iron series when it comes to present day mods/scenarios. The most lacking aspect of Victoria series is by far the very simple military. I think that it would be better basing a modern mod on HoI4 if it has been improved in diplomacy and politics. The industries are improved somewhat by having three different types of IC.
 
Magyar1988 said:
Those big rebellions were during the cold war not in the present time. The only really war is the war against terrorism (oil supply) which the US engages in but that is not really a war but an occupation. EvW mechanisms would have been good for the Cold War and also far superior to both Victoria and Hearts of Iron series when it comes to present day mods/scenarios. The most lacking aspect of Victoria series is by far the very simple military. I think that it would be better basing a modern mod on HoI4 if it has been improved in diplomacy and politics. The industries are improved somewhat by having three different types of IC.
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in present day, what about some rebellions in north africa and middle east or south-east asia?
some of them could be seen as similar to the VII system...
 
Those big rebellions were during the cold war not in the present time. The only really war is the war against terrorism (oil supply) which the US engages in but that is not really a war but an occupation.
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I was only showing examples. There are always Afghanistan, Iraq and more modern examples of rebellion, like now-fallen Libia, the Middle East, some hot spots in Africa. Arab Spring (with notable examples of Egypt and Syria, among others), etc. Honestly, how are these examples that much different?

EvW mechanisms would have been good for the Cold War and also far superior to both Victoria and Hearts of Iron series when it comes to present day mods/scenarios.
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I have to agree, but that it's so because HoI aims to be a war game while V isn't really focused on detailing war. I am not saying that mix of both (V and HoI) ain't better. HoI simply isn't about economy at all, it's about all-out war and as such it can't stimulate modern times on its own as wars and rebellions (and combat overall) are pretty small in comparison to WW2 era. Latest conflicts in close proximity to Europe (Georgia, Ukraine) are less revolving around military might and much more about maintaining the spheres of influence, resources and prestige while economy takes hits. Does it not sound like V2?
 
It's not all about rebellions, take a look at Europe, the EU elections are today, people vote for the EU Parliament ... That kind of stuff would be nice to see, also, take a look at Scotland, Catalonia, Basque country, Corsiga, they all want independence. That would be something nice to see/play, like when we play as Normandy in CKII.

I'd like to see a game where politics and economics are more important than war, war would be a way to make profit, or to allow it, not just ... aarrgh I don't like you let me nuke your house and steal your car!!!

EDIT: Also, it would be nic to see a new revolt system, not like the Vic one where the rebels attack, and win, and then nothin changes, just the flag. A system like the Total War one would be more interesting, like, the rebels attack the capital or the region. Then (no longer TW style) when they stay in control, we would go through a chain of events, the flag, the name of the country if changed, the new policies, the rulling parties, etc. (And this would apply to monarchy to republic or vice-versa)
 
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General Baker said:
If v2 had the military mechanics of hoi4 bolted on, we will have reached the pinnacle of what modern grand strategy can achieve.
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no that's to much micromenagment and cripple the possibility of making the game lasting longer... VII it's already short...
HOI is so short that you cannot shape your country in any meaningful way, you can only fight a war... to the point that you can even not care if your schools burned down, all your people died, your population dwindled and your industry was crushed, as long as you won the war...
The good thing of VII is that if you have to deal with the aftermaths of wars, and with real internal flavor...

VII is a hundred leagues ahead of HOI as grand-startegy, and country developing...

HOI is only a very very cool war-game, i don't want that in modern world...

i want politics and internal balance, diplomatic arrangements, crisis... not all out detailed war...
 
*imagines Democracy 3 with a military and a map of the world*
. . .
*salivates*
 
^^^^ this (both posts)
 
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