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Odd, I kinda suspected Arkasas as a wolf. Thanks for making things easier.

I was thinking the same, myself.

Why is MC inherently so much more valuable to so many people?

Vote Madchemist for now. I really don't like just how many people have supported MC for no real reason.

Hmm, I don't know, Maybe it's because I have a fairly well-established track record of identifying wolves, at least when I'm not busy fighting off mindless accusations?

It is about who are really important to have for the village in the late game. In the same way one shouldn't randomly lynch randy, skobie or marty either.

This. As long as the seer's alive, there's never a good reason to lynch me, as I'll usually prove my innocence by finding a wolf, or I'll be scanned early.

Madchemist was likely scanned first. What would happen if he was a wolf?

Arkasas tried to lynch Madchemist for realz, and ended up hunted. So was Arkasas scanned second and trying to get a Wolfchemist lynched? Or, was Arkasas just simply being an idiot, but it was enough to make a Wolfchemist believe he was a scanee or seer.

Despite asking for myself to be scanned, the seer has rudely not complied, so I don't know the answers to any of this stuff directly. I can only speculate.

Considering that it would be impossible for both Ark and myself to be scanned on night 0, this scenario is a bit unlikely, to put it mildly.

Please inform us how MC typically chooses his hunt targets.
From my experience he doesn't hunt people who nearly hang him.

I'd say I usually don't hunt my main accusers as a wolf, since I trust in my ability to get them lynched in my stead. If I get lynched, the people who accuse me usually get hunted afterwards, but not if I survive.

You didn't really answer my question. Since you seem to have insight in how he picks his targets, what method does he use? Is he consistent in how he picks his targets, does he always hunt the same way?

And why wouldn't he hunt Arkasas? The best target to hit in a wolf hunt is going to be the seer, and the second best is a villager who has been scanned by the seer, so I find it a bit odd to say that someone would avoid hunting someone who is specifically giving signs of possibly being one of these things. It just seems like you are throwing out keywords to try scare the village off. "Revenge hunt, oh that sounds bad! It's almost like a revenge vote! Madchemist would not do that!"

I'm not even voting Madchemist, I was just speculating on one potential scenario behind the last hunt, but I'm finding your defense against it to be a bit strange and vague.

This is sound logic. If I was a wolf, what Ark did could have potentially seemed like what a seer might do and may have been worth a hunt. It's plausible.

That said, I'm not a wolf and I didn't make that hunt, but I won't deny that it's something I might do as a wolf, even if it would look bad for me.

I'm sorry, but I don't follow this. How can Arkasas have been scanned second on day 1? The seer only had his Night 0 scan. Your theory that Arkasas knew MC was a wolf only works if Arkasas was the seer which he wasn't.

This.

Also, I think MC is smart enough to realize how badly that hunt would look for him and it seems more likely that the pack is trying to throw attention on him, but that's just how I see it.

That sounds like how I'd defend myself if I was a wolf. :laugh:

But I agree that this is a reasonable explanation for that hunt.

You are correct, I messed up how many scans would have taken place by that time.

Thank you for actually taking the time to find a real flaw in my argument rather than just make a vague complaint that I'm being "aggressive".

If MC is not a wolf, then the chance Wagonlitz is a wolf has gone up significantly. Are you familiar with the concept of a reverse-alibi?

As far as I'm concerned, you're always pretty aggressive. But that's usually a good sign from you, not the reverse.

I think you are making a reverse-alibi out as something a lot more complicated than it is. In fact, what you describe in your post isn't really a reverse-alibi at all. It's simply the use of wolf knowledge (they know who all the not-wolves are) to appear more helpful to a village. If the village seems intent on lynching someone (they know to be a village) for something that appears to be a legitimate reason, a wolf can make themselves out to be a more sane/logical/smart "villager" by questioning the value of that lynch.

"Seems like a goodie to me" is a very powerful wolf move. Not only does it make the village trust them more if they end up correct, it tends to make the player they blessed be more trusting of the wolf.

It's funny, because that sort of thing actually gets wolves caught on occasion; they try to be too clever and say players are good when there is an excellent case on them and no logical reason to expect that they are villagers. The people who question a lynch that makes a lot of sense, despite being wrong, are often the ones to look out for.
 
Have there really only been two votes so far today?

Vote LatinKaiser

I got the impression yesterday that he and Rovsea had some sort of weird thing going on which made me feel like they might be packmates. I'd be happy to see either one (or both) get run up today.
 
Have there really only been two votes so far today?

Vote LatinKaiser

I got the impression yesterday that he and Rovsea had some sort of weird thing going on which made me feel like they might be packmates. I'd be happy to see either one (or both) get run up today.
There has been a grand total of 3 votes before your vote! Or four if you also count the vote I later switched away from.
 
MC: 2
Rovsea [258]
GreatUberGeek [262]

Cymsdale: 1
Wagonlitz [257 LK -> 264 unvote -> 275]

LK: 1
madchemist [282]

Not voted: 10
Leondark []
Al-Aziz []
LatinKaiser []
brovahkiin []
Xarkan []
Cymsdale []
happycats517 []
aedan777 []
DutchGuy []
Noco19 []
 
Have there really only been two votes so far today?

Vote LatinKaiser

I got the impression yesterday that he and Rovsea had some sort of weird thing going on which made me feel like they might be packmates. I'd be happy to see either one (or both) get run up today.

I generally approve of running up candidates who are not me, so I will go along with this.

Vote Rovsea
 
Have there really only been two votes so far today?

Vote LatinKaiser

I got the impression yesterday that he and Rovsea had some sort of weird thing going on which made me feel like they might be packmates. I'd be happy to see either one (or both) get run up today.

Please explain this "thing."I think I'll vote Wagonlitz. He seems to be a bit more jumpy than usual.
 
Vote Wagonlitz
And the reason is why?

Please explain this "thing."I think I'll vote Wagonlitz. He seems to be a bit more jumpy than usual.
More jumpy? I have switched a grand total of once. And that was because you pointed out that my reason to vote you was flawed. Go look at the games where I have been a wolf; I most certainly didn't get jumpy in those.
 
And the reason is why?


More jumpy? I have switched a grand total of once. And that was because you pointed out that my reason to vote you was flawed. Go look at the games where I have been a wolf; I most certainly didn't get jumpy in those.

You have been suspicious, IMO. Protecting MC, then accusing me, then realizing that your case on me was flawed, and then MC votes me. If you are a wolf, then MC would be a likely packmate.
 
The 'case' on MC isn't really that great, he was saved yesterday/the hunted payer was after him. Nothing to really clear him, but with so many of the players in this game being relatively new, I'd rather not lynch useful players on mild hunches while the seer is alive. Same for Wagonlitz, though he has been acting slightly wolfish at least. Still wouldn't want either of them lynched yet, for the given reasons, and that the voters currently on them hardly inspire confidence. The vote on Cymsdale is based on poor reasoning. Rovsea and Latinkaiser are decent though. Rovsea's been more active, but he sure jumped on the Madchemist 'case' quickly.

Vote Rovsea

Latin should be the main contender with Rovsea I say, and maybe a zombie up there too.
 
Vote Wagonlitz

Oddly protecting a suspicious madchemist.
Please tell me what is suspicious about MC.

Furthermore as I have already stated I protected MC because he is a very valuable player as a villager; I would have done the same for Marty, randy and skobie. MC was run up yesterday purely randomly; there is no case. Do you really believe we should allow ourself to randomly lynch the really good players on day 1?
 
You have been suspicious, IMO. Protecting MC, then accusing me, then realizing that your case on me was flawed, and then MC votes me. If you are a wolf, then MC would be a likely packmate.
Are you seriously claiming MC and I to be stupid. Because doing that would be really stupid.
Furthermore isn't it better people speak up when they realise their case is flawed rather than just doing nothing?
 
Hmmm . . .

Vote Rovs

Let's bring him up their with Wagon and MC for now
Hmm, creating a TIE, I see. Any particular reason, or just applying pressure?
 
The 'case' on MC isn't really that great, he was saved yesterday/the hunted payer was after him. Nothing to really clear him, but with so many of the players in this game being relatively new, I'd rather not lynch useful players on mild hunches while the seer is alive. Same for Wagonlitz, though he has been acting slightly wolfish at least. Still wouldn't want either of them lynched yet, for the given reasons, and that the voters currently on them hardly inspire confidence. The vote on Cymsdale is based on poor reasoning. Rovsea and Latinkaiser are decent though. Rovsea's been more active, but he sure jumped on the Madchemist 'case' quickly.

Vote Rovsea

Latin should be the main contender with Rovsea I say, and maybe a zombie up there too.
I did not jump on any case quickly. I in fact waited until I was done doing anything else before coming to a conclusion on a good first target for my vote. I really don't want to be forced into "self-preservation mode" already, but I'm starting to feel like somebody has it in for me.
 
looks like rovseas on the chop early again (just like all the old games)
 
Steve, ever-present in his reading chair, slowly looks up from his paper.

"You folks and your psychobabble. While you all gab, a danger lurks - the foreign born!"

VOTE DUTCHGUY
 
My reason is that he is just as likely to be one of THEM than anyone else as far as I know.