This thinking is wrong. You say "one of" aedan and MC, or "one of" MC and Dexander is a spy. In reality, there is the very real possibility that 2 of those listed are evil, though all three is unlikely.
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Overheard Conversation to Falc
Useless KACEOY to Panzer Commader (IDC)
Waiting until card resolution to propose team...
Useless KACEOY to Panzer Commader (IDC)
Waiting until card resolution to propose team...
Hmmm... who to use it on?
Because the fact of the matter is, if I get a Resistance result, great and wonderful. If I get a Spy result, well then there's no guarantee the other guy ain't a Spy too...
Of course, if they're both Spies, it really doesn't matter who I pick.
OC on Madchemist
Because the fact of the matter is, if I get a Resistance result, great and wonderful. If I get a Spy result, well then there's no guarantee the other guy ain't a Spy too...
Of course, if they're both Spies, it really doesn't matter who I pick.
OC on Madchemist
Excellent! Madchemist is resistance!
That's two spies confirmed as far as I'm concerned, Dexander and aedan. I did say their votes were a bit suspicious.
That's two spies confirmed as far as I'm concerned, Dexander and aedan. I did say their votes were a bit suspicious.
Some further analysis: Rovsea did not propose Rovsea+Dexander. Was he perhaps worried about proposing a two-spy team as the third proposal in round 1?
Aedan and Rovsea both rejected the first failed mission, as the only ones.
I see some more indicators, but I might just be seeing what I want to see there.
Aedan and Rovsea both rejected the first failed mission, as the only ones.
I see some more indicators, but I might just be seeing what I want to see there.
Well maybe you two are spies. That way you could get easy win...
As for me I am going to reject any team that has Falc or MC in it.
Team of:
Alxeu
Falc
Madchemist
Approve
Pre-Load Strong Leader if Team passes
No offense to Rovsea, but unless the proven members of resistance, or at the very least everyone who isn't a confirmed spy agrees that its better for you to have cards, I won't object.
Alxeu
Falc
Madchemist
Approve
Pre-Load Strong Leader if Team passes
No offense to Rovsea, but unless the proven members of resistance, or at the very least everyone who isn't a confirmed spy agrees that its better for you to have cards, I won't object.
Good.
Now do I have to worry that you're the third spy, trying to get in my good graces and guarantee a spy win whether or not I'm trusted by the Resistance?
I considered that possibility when I noted that Rovsea had skipped all the way to you. I don't know his playstyle at all, though. It's not a bad initial hypothesis.
Sounds good.
He is, isn't he?
I forgot I gave you that SL card.
Nuts. There are no more OC-type cards out there. Yeah, I'd rather you get the cards, then.
Voting in PM
Please, tell me more about how to play the Resistance.
"Two of" Aedan and Dexander and MC and Falc are spies, the two others are not. It's either the first group or the other. I loved betting on the other possibilities in my first games too, but eventually, you learn there are some assumptions you have to make. They'll cost you a game every now and then but they'll win you a game much more often.
Now, which group should we trust? I have some free time today for the last time until the end of my exams week on Friday, so I'll go back a bit and re-read the thread and see if I can come up with anything.
Also, shouldn't this be the time to *stop* voting in private? I thought the only purpose of voting in private was so spies couldn't intentionally confuse us by voting differently from each other. But by this point, it really no longer matters, does it?
Please do re-read. Dex and aedan fit together quite well. Falc and I somewhat less so. Plus you should be able to read something into everybody's tone, I would hope.
Private voting is basically intended so that the entire spy team can't openly vote as a group for a final mission that would fail. Related to that is approving in public but rejecting through PM, to see if the spies all try to push for a victory through a mission where lingering doubts still exist among the resistance.
It was a bit of a gut feeling on my part, so feel free to disagree.
However, as you clearly stated, we've sort of divided the players in two groups, basically. Aedan and Dexander on one hand, me and MC on the other. Believe me and A+D must be spies, don't believe me and me+MC must be spies.
So, people are really forced to pick sides. With private votes, it's impossible to know which side will be the biggest so it'd be harder for a spy to 'hide' amongst the side that seems to be winning.
Alright, let's go back right to the beginning.
*Begin blasting favourite playlist in the background*
The first odd thing to notice about this game. But frankly, I'm still struggling to find any reason for a spy to do this. So, goodie points? Unless his plan *was* to seem like a resistance member without actually doing anything that hurts him as a spy. Yeah, that's why you don't give goodie points on meaningless things let's just forget this.
I make my proposal as usual and...
Ha. Ha. Very funny.
This was Rovsea's comment on my proposed team of Myself+Alxeu. From a neutral perspective, the *actual* chance of that team being spy-free is ~28%. Now, Rovsea might have just known that spies rarely sabotage the first mission. If he did, on his very first game, good on him. But looking back at it, no matter which spy team we choose, from the perspective of Spy!Rovsea, this *was* a guaranteed success. Making the right deduction, or trying to set up goodie credit? I guess we'll see.
My team was rejected by everyone except the two people on it, and Rovsea. Both our possible spy pairs rejected it. Goodie points for me and alxeu? Perhaps a bit less to alxeu, given he'd likely be on the next team anyway, but then...
Not any better. Same approvers. Same rejecters. The problem is, alxeu, rovsea and I can't possibly all be resistance members.
And now, the curious proposal. We've already talked about this. Baddie points to Rovsea.
Rovsea playing around. It struck me as odd and still does. That's a pretty darn confident attitude to be taking for a first time player, especially a confused, in-the-dark resistance member.
Falc faking carelessness. (You don't actually reject a team for not being on it without checking first)
Rovsea being ostentatious again. Hm...
Adding Falc to the team did not add any approvals. Strange, given this was the third proposal, we should have gotten more approvals naturally, even without any spies on. Then again, this was a non-standard proposal. And if Falc and Rovsea are both spymates, that could explain that.(Then again, why would Rovsea skip to him then? Unless he was being a smarty and thought proposing a two-spy team would make him look good) And if they're not, people might be worried about looking suspicious for approving a non-standard team that got sabotaged.
I feel like I'm multi-quoting all Rovsea's posts for being odd now. This is why you need to be serious as a resistance member - acting silly and careless just adds confusion and makes you hard to read.
Is it? Or do you just like that team? I mean, you're not on it. The only difference from the previous ones is madchemist is on(And Dexander too, they might still all 3 be spies, but that's not something we'll consider for now)
Christ, is he always that annoying?
"People who have nothing to hide don't usually feel the need to say it" ~ Michonne.
That was quite the strange proposal...
Hm... I think I'm going to stop quoting all of these and just accept that Rovsea is either a spy or a very bad resistance member.
Rejecting your own team. Because there's another spy on it? No, most likely not, I think it's pretty obvious if they were both spies that Madchemist would have just sabotaged. I can see Resistance!Madchemist making a hasty proposal and regretting it. I... don't really see why a spy madchemist would do it. Unless it was specifically for that purpose, but that's always there.
Yeah, Madchemist already pointed this out, the comment about aedan was odd, and would find a perfect rhyme in both of them being spies. It almost feels a bit *too* perfect, like a spy dexander would realize it's a bad idea, but... nah. The obvious explanation is they're both spies. I stick by the obvious explanations.
This strikes me as a conversation two high-caliber spymates may have after having gotten a bad team in.
"I approved a mission that got my spymate cards and got us a sabotage. How to not make others blame it on me? I know, let's blame it on others!"
"No, but I'll make it look like I'm putting some suspicion on you so no one knows we're mates"
Madchemist's team was only approved by Falc. Why did I quote this post again?
I'm not sure how, but this sounds like a newbie spy. Call it a gut feeling. It's a bit like how Alxeu used to play here or how Dutchguy used to be in Werewolf.
Yeah, that proposal... Then again, Madchemist called him out on it.
Falc makes a strange, unworkable proposal based on a feeling that Rovsea and I might be spymates and...
Rovsea approves it. Huh. The only explanation I can see is if he was a spy and had a spymate on, which caused him to approve without thinking further. A resistance member would have more thinking to do about his vote and would realize what's what.
This gives me the opposite gut feeling of the last post. Then again, I can see spy!Dexander saying this.
You don't say? We had pointed this out already, several times.
Frankly, this felt like a spy's attempt at gaining credit after seeing that even though a team was good for him, it was gonna get rejected. Hm...
Alxeu still being strange.
Falc's strange proposal got rejected by everyone but him.
This would be perfect for a spy!Aedan. "I trust Madchemist now(even though I didn't before) so I can have only one spy on this team, and then blame him for its failure later!"
Rejected and chose to see if he liked the way the votes looked.
Okay... Goodie points for both
Aedan, why were you using it on Madchemist who'd already said he'd sabotaged if a spy even if somebody used ITS on him and not tried to maybe intimidate Alxeu with it?
And baddie points for the MC-Falc pair again by Madchemist objecting ever so slightly to a team with both of them on
I think you knew I wasn't gonna do that
Why did i quote this?
Rovsea always approving all teams.
Glad I'm not the only one that noticed.
Wouldn't a spy!Falc approve?
Well, at least *this time* he used it on me
At least this post looks normal
This reminds me of this
Another post that I don't know why I quoted. Both spy!Aedan and resistance!Aedan would say these things.
I'm still weary of this post. I think the first thing resistance!Madchemist would have wanted would have been for us to check him
I don't like this post. Once again, Falc seems to just be throwing accusations around more for the sake of appearing helpful than actually catching spies.
As aedan points out, while I've found plenty of reasons they're both suspicious, that was a really lackluster post.
Well, this was exhausting. What did we learn?
-Both groups have things incriminating them, sadly. Anyone cares to count who's got more?
-Both also seem to have things apparently clearing them. Though this time, MC and Falc pretty obviously more so.
-If I'm to judge people instead of groups, I'd say I trust madchemist to some extent, but Falc not so much. Meanwhile I'm neutral to aedan and Dex gives me a gut feeling of newbite baddie, but so did many people who actually weren't.
-Meanwhile, alxeu is pretty clear(he's his usual, strange self, but he's too in the middle of the action without anyone caring much)
-And Rovsea is almost certainly a spy, or would do better to take things more seriously or stop playing. That he started out not caring much, I understand, but that he continued that way after we were 1 down and 2 down? You just don't do that. Unless you're a spy feeling closer and closer to victory.
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Thanks for the explanations on voting in PM.
Voting in PM.
(Once I decide, I have to go over this a bit more first - Also, I'd really appreciate it if others could pitch in too. This wasn't me building a case, it was me trying to make sense of everything, and the more people help, the more we can spot threads and reach the right conclusion)
Edit: *End music*
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*Begin blasting favourite playlist in the background*
The first odd thing to notice about this game. But frankly, I'm still struggling to find any reason for a spy to do this. So, goodie points? Unless his plan *was* to seem like a resistance member without actually doing anything that hurts him as a spy. Yeah, that's why you don't give goodie points on meaningless things let's just forget this.
I make my proposal as usual and...
Ha. Ha. Very funny.
This was Rovsea's comment on my proposed team of Myself+Alxeu. From a neutral perspective, the *actual* chance of that team being spy-free is ~28%. Now, Rovsea might have just known that spies rarely sabotage the first mission. If he did, on his very first game, good on him. But looking back at it, no matter which spy team we choose, from the perspective of Spy!Rovsea, this *was* a guaranteed success. Making the right deduction, or trying to set up goodie credit? I guess we'll see.
My team was rejected by everyone except the two people on it, and Rovsea. Both our possible spy pairs rejected it. Goodie points for me and alxeu? Perhaps a bit less to alxeu, given he'd likely be on the next team anyway, but then...
Not any better. Same approvers. Same rejecters. The problem is, alxeu, rovsea and I can't possibly all be resistance members.
And now, the curious proposal. We've already talked about this. Baddie points to Rovsea.
Rovsea playing around. It struck me as odd and still does. That's a pretty darn confident attitude to be taking for a first time player, especially a confused, in-the-dark resistance member.
Falc faking carelessness. (You don't actually reject a team for not being on it without checking first)
I thought he was specifically rejecting them because he was not on the team? Oh wait, that's right, he was.
Rovsea being ostentatious again. Hm...
Adding Falc to the team did not add any approvals. Strange, given this was the third proposal, we should have gotten more approvals naturally, even without any spies on. Then again, this was a non-standard proposal. And if Falc and Rovsea are both spymates, that could explain that.(Then again, why would Rovsea skip to him then? Unless he was being a smarty and thought proposing a two-spy team would make him look good) And if they're not, people might be worried about looking suspicious for approving a non-standard team that got sabotaged.
I feel like I'm multi-quoting all Rovsea's posts for being odd now. This is why you need to be serious as a resistance member - acting silly and careless just adds confusion and makes you hard to read.
Is it? Or do you just like that team? I mean, you're not on it. The only difference from the previous ones is madchemist is on(And Dexander too, they might still all 3 be spies, but that's not something we'll consider for now)
Christ, is he always that annoying?
"People who have nothing to hide don't usually feel the need to say it" ~ Michonne.
That was quite the strange proposal...
Hm... I think I'm going to stop quoting all of these and just accept that Rovsea is either a spy or a very bad resistance member.
Maybe it is a bit egocentric, but who says that's such a bad thing?
But the mathematical logic is that if you're Resistance and not on the mission, the only way this mission is good is if all three others are (at least in a 7 player game).
Strikingly little, I suppose. Alxeu's a gut feeling, and Falc, well, I'll explain my logic in a bit.
I guess I understand a bit better. Still think the logic is off, and I wouldn't play that way myself, but I sort of see the point.
Still not sold on the whole rejecting that last mission = goodie. Although I hadn't announced my plans for the fifth mission, and I am Resistance, so maybe the spies didn't want it to get to me in case I picked a perfect mission. There's a solid argument for it, I suppose.
As for the math, I'm too lazy to go back and redo it at the moment, but I've probably done it half a dozen times. Your odds are better if you pick one of the two from the initial mission. Of course, I know your odds are zero if you pick Dex, but yeah.
I wasn't expecting any of the people not on this mission to be too sanguine about it.
Suffice it to say that I did think it unusual, and that I'm pleasantly surprised that at least one more player has come around to my view of sabotaging the first mission. It means I know he's a spy for sure, but since it places substantial suspicion on me, nobody's going to trust that right away, obviously.
Why Falc? Simple. Rovsea's mission broke from the pattern established by the previous mission choices, skipping Dexander (and myself) and going to Falc. I wondered if that was simply random, or an attempt by spy Rovsea to avoid adding his spy teammate.
I rather doubt a Rovsea-Falc combination (If so, that was a daring mission proposal for a newbie spy.) One of the two being spies, I could buy. And I suppose Falc being a spy does make a bit more sense than Rovsea, of the two.
I'm convinced enough that I will
Reject
this one.
Rejecting your own team. Because there's another spy on it? No, most likely not, I think it's pretty obvious if they were both spies that Madchemist would have just sabotaged. I can see Resistance!Madchemist making a hasty proposal and regretting it. I... don't really see why a spy madchemist would do it. Unless it was specifically for that purpose, but that's always there.
Yeah, Madchemist already pointed this out, the comment about aedan was odd, and would find a perfect rhyme in both of them being spies. It almost feels a bit *too* perfect, like a spy dexander would realize it's a bad idea, but... nah. The obvious explanation is they're both spies. I stick by the obvious explanations.
This strikes me as a conversation two high-caliber spymates may have after having gotten a bad team in.
"I approved a mission that got my spymate cards and got us a sabotage. How to not make others blame it on me? I know, let's blame it on others!"
"No, but I'll make it look like I'm putting some suspicion on you so no one knows we're mates"
Madchemist's team was only approved by Falc. Why did I quote this post again?
I'm not sure how, but this sounds like a newbie spy. Call it a gut feeling. It's a bit like how Alxeu used to play here or how Dutchguy used to be in Werewolf.
Yeah, that proposal... Then again, Madchemist called him out on it.
Falc makes a strange, unworkable proposal based on a feeling that Rovsea and I might be spymates and...
Rovsea approves it. Huh. The only explanation I can see is if he was a spy and had a spymate on, which caused him to approve without thinking further. A resistance member would have more thinking to do about his vote and would realize what's what.
This gives me the opposite gut feeling of the last post. Then again, I can see spy!Dexander saying this.
You don't say? We had pointed this out already, several times.
Frankly, this felt like a spy's attempt at gaining credit after seeing that even though a team was good for him, it was gonna get rejected. Hm...
Alxeu still being strange.
Falc's strange proposal got rejected by everyone but him.
This would be perfect for a spy!Aedan. "I trust Madchemist now(even though I didn't before) so I can have only one spy on this team, and then blame him for its failure later!"
Rejected and chose to see if he liked the way the votes looked.
Okay... Goodie points for both
Aedan, why were you using it on Madchemist who'd already said he'd sabotaged if a spy even if somebody used ITS on him and not tried to maybe intimidate Alxeu with it?
And baddie points for the MC-Falc pair again by Madchemist objecting ever so slightly to a team with both of them on
I think you knew I wasn't gonna do that
Why did i quote this?
Rovsea always approving all teams.
Glad I'm not the only one that noticed.
Wouldn't a spy!Falc approve?
Well, at least *this time* he used it on me
At least this post looks normal
This reminds me of this
Another post that I don't know why I quoted. Both spy!Aedan and resistance!Aedan would say these things.
I'm still weary of this post. I think the first thing resistance!Madchemist would have wanted would have been for us to check him
I don't like this post. Once again, Falc seems to just be throwing accusations around more for the sake of appearing helpful than actually catching spies.
As aedan points out, while I've found plenty of reasons they're both suspicious, that was a really lackluster post.
Well, this was exhausting. What did we learn?
-Both groups have things incriminating them, sadly. Anyone cares to count who's got more?
-Both also seem to have things apparently clearing them. Though this time, MC and Falc pretty obviously more so.
-If I'm to judge people instead of groups, I'd say I trust madchemist to some extent, but Falc not so much. Meanwhile I'm neutral to aedan and Dex gives me a gut feeling of newbite baddie, but so did many people who actually weren't.
-Meanwhile, alxeu is pretty clear(he's his usual, strange self, but he's too in the middle of the action without anyone caring much)
-And Rovsea is almost certainly a spy, or would do better to take things more seriously or stop playing. That he started out not caring much, I understand, but that he continued that way after we were 1 down and 2 down? You just don't do that. Unless you're a spy feeling closer and closer to victory.
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Thanks for the explanations on voting in PM.
Voting in PM.
(Once I decide, I have to go over this a bit more first - Also, I'd really appreciate it if others could pitch in too. This wasn't me building a case, it was me trying to make sense of everything, and the more people help, the more we can spot threads and reach the right conclusion)
Edit: *End music*
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Reject
There's really no reason to trust Falc and Madchemist over me. I disproved Falc's attempts to cast suspicion on me ahead of time, but he ignored and and tried to clear his fellow spy Madchemist. If you fellow resistance members really can't see that, then you deserve to lose.
There's really no reason to trust Falc and Madchemist over me. I disproved Falc's attempts to cast suspicion on me ahead of time, but he ignored and and tried to clear his fellow spy Madchemist. If you fellow resistance members really can't see that, then you deserve to lose.
So, the question becomes, do I trust Alxeu?
1-1: proposed by Panzer, approves, rejected by Aedan and Dex
1-2: proposed by himself, approves, rejected by A+D
1-3: rejects proposal along with A+D
1-4: approves the failed team along with D
2-1: receives SL from Panzer, proposed by Panzer, rejects along with A+D
2-2: proposed by me, rejects along with by A+D
2-3: proposed by A, approves along with A, rejected by D
2-4: rejects the failed team along with D
All things considered, I'm going to consider that last part rather significant.
4th proposal of mission 2. If alxeu is a spy, then Panzer the non-spy just made a proposal with one single spy in AND alxeu is next in the order. Why would we then have TWO spies rejecting this?
Now, okay, we voted in public and Dex and Alxeu rejected as the two last votes, ie. at that point it was 4-1. So it would be a perfect example of spies abusing the public votes to hide...
VOTING IN PRIVATE
1-1: proposed by Panzer, approves, rejected by Aedan and Dex
1-2: proposed by himself, approves, rejected by A+D
1-3: rejects proposal along with A+D
1-4: approves the failed team along with D
2-1: receives SL from Panzer, proposed by Panzer, rejects along with A+D
2-2: proposed by me, rejects along with by A+D
2-3: proposed by A, approves along with A, rejected by D
2-4: rejects the failed team along with D
All things considered, I'm going to consider that last part rather significant.
4th proposal of mission 2. If alxeu is a spy, then Panzer the non-spy just made a proposal with one single spy in AND alxeu is next in the order. Why would we then have TWO spies rejecting this?
Now, okay, we voted in public and Dex and Alxeu rejected as the two last votes, ie. at that point it was 4-1. So it would be a perfect example of spies abusing the public votes to hide...
VOTING IN PRIVATE
OK, first things first.
Panzer is Resistance. At this point, I don't even care if he isn't; I'd vastly prefer to be beaten by a player who is making a serious and dedicated effort instead of someone who is behaving cluelessly and has no idea what they are up to. From now on, I accept any team consisting of myself, Panzer, Falc, and alxeu, and nobody else.
Now, to reply to Panzer's points, and to explain why I'm now sure this is the correct team:
Yeah, the choice is now between Rovsea and alxeu in my mind. And I still think alxeu is more likely good.
Well, you three can, in theory. Falc could still be a spy along with Dex and aedan. But I'm not buying that.
Right. Strike one for Rovsea, even independent of behavior.
Strike two.
This.
I guess the possibility is there, but it was mission 4.
You haven't played WW lately, have you?
It's weird. That statement was actually what made me trust alxeu, albeit ever so slightly. It's fail logic, but it's fail logic of a sort that impressed me as something spy alxeu wouldn't usually say.
It was. And yet we're right back to it.
Yeah, that's the conclusion I've rapidly arrived at. So many weird actions which didn't make sense but might be excused individually, but seeing them all put together clinches it, I think.
There's the kicker. I wouldn't hesitate to put a second spy in after a mission I had sabotaged, because I know that it'll make them look good when I sabotage again. No, I got talked out of my own mission (not that it would have passed anyway, but hey).
I should have been more insistent on that point earlier. Oh well, live and learn.
I really want to learn to play this way when I'm a spy. Maybe I can take some tips from marty or someone like that.
Or how DG still is when he does play, for that matter.
Yeah, I didn't like it either. I would probably say the same thing as a spy, though. No points for me there.
Yeah.
Convenient, no?
It was set up very prettily, I must say. OC appeared at the perfect time.
Yay!
The simple explanation is that he thought he could throw alxeu under the bus more effectively than he could me. That's also a major reason why I don't think alxeu is a spy, by the way; ITS would have been a fine way to coordinate a two-spy team with only one sabotage.
"Wouldn't strongly object" actually means I'd be OK with it. And that was despite Falc acting a bit weird, as far as I'd been concerned.
But more importantly, approving teams with aedan on them.
Probably a mistake, oddly enough, as it concentrated the information in my hands.
Nah, I like it when people trust me. I also like it when I have a 100% certain chance of victory, as opposed to still having to make some sort of judgment between unknowns. If that card had, say, found the third spy, I would have known exactly what team would win.
But yeah, I shouldn't expect everyone else to trust me after I've been on two sabotaged missions, should I? No, I knew that it would basically take my card being checked, or else the presumption would have been very much against me.
So yeah, that was long, and I'm not sure I said very much, certainly not in a clear and concise manner. I'll post a summary with the salient points next post.
Panzer is Resistance. At this point, I don't even care if he isn't; I'd vastly prefer to be beaten by a player who is making a serious and dedicated effort instead of someone who is behaving cluelessly and has no idea what they are up to. From now on, I accept any team consisting of myself, Panzer, Falc, and alxeu, and nobody else.
Now, to reply to Panzer's points, and to explain why I'm now sure this is the correct team:
Yeah, the choice is now between Rovsea and alxeu in my mind. And I still think alxeu is more likely good.
Well, you three can, in theory. Falc could still be a spy along with Dex and aedan. But I'm not buying that.
Right. Strike one for Rovsea, even independent of behavior.
Strike two.
This.
I guess the possibility is there, but it was mission 4.
You haven't played WW lately, have you?
It's weird. That statement was actually what made me trust alxeu, albeit ever so slightly. It's fail logic, but it's fail logic of a sort that impressed me as something spy alxeu wouldn't usually say.
It was. And yet we're right back to it.
Yeah, that's the conclusion I've rapidly arrived at. So many weird actions which didn't make sense but might be excused individually, but seeing them all put together clinches it, I think.
There's the kicker. I wouldn't hesitate to put a second spy in after a mission I had sabotaged, because I know that it'll make them look good when I sabotage again. No, I got talked out of my own mission (not that it would have passed anyway, but hey).
I should have been more insistent on that point earlier. Oh well, live and learn.
I really want to learn to play this way when I'm a spy. Maybe I can take some tips from marty or someone like that.
Or how DG still is when he does play, for that matter.
Yeah, I didn't like it either. I would probably say the same thing as a spy, though. No points for me there.
Yeah.
Convenient, no?
It was set up very prettily, I must say. OC appeared at the perfect time.
Yay!
The simple explanation is that he thought he could throw alxeu under the bus more effectively than he could me. That's also a major reason why I don't think alxeu is a spy, by the way; ITS would have been a fine way to coordinate a two-spy team with only one sabotage.
:laugh:
"Wouldn't strongly object" actually means I'd be OK with it. And that was despite Falc acting a bit weird, as far as I'd been concerned.
But more importantly, approving teams with aedan on them.
Probably a mistake, oddly enough, as it concentrated the information in my hands.
Nah, I like it when people trust me. I also like it when I have a 100% certain chance of victory, as opposed to still having to make some sort of judgment between unknowns. If that card had, say, found the third spy, I would have known exactly what team would win.
But yeah, I shouldn't expect everyone else to trust me after I've been on two sabotaged missions, should I? No, I knew that it would basically take my card being checked, or else the presumption would have been very much against me.
So yeah, that was long, and I'm not sure I said very much, certainly not in a clear and concise manner. I'll post a summary with the salient points next post.
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