Werewolf Lite CCCXXIX: Tv Tropes Will Ruin Your Life

[GreatUberGeek]

Werewolf Lite CCCXXIX
TV Tropes Will Ruin Your Life
​

We've all heard of TV Tropes. Some of us even have accounts there. But TV Tropes holds a dark secret: TV Tropes Will Ruin Your Life. Those tropers already sucked into the world of TV Tropes are trying to slowly make the others succumb to their alluring links deposited all over the forum. It is the job of the innocent forumites to stop the tropers and their alliesfrom Ruining Their Lives Forever.
Set Up
There will be 17 players. Roles handed out upon 17th player's signup, when Night 0 starts.

Daffius Set Up
3x Veteran Forumites (Friends): These 3 people are good. They know each other from the start as they secretly shared their role information with each other. They claim they will win even without a Seer.
3x Tropers (Wolves): These players, all bad, think that victory is easy when no forumite can know for sure who they are.
11x Forumites (Villagers): normal, run of the mill goodies. They will have to try extra hard to win without anyone to help.e

How to Win:
Forumites win by lynching all the Tropers. The Tropers win by achieving parity with the Forumites.

Roleplaying:
Players are encouraged to use as many tropes as possible to fit in with this theme. Please remember the rule about impersonating other forum members. DO NOT IMPERSONATE OTHER FORUM MEMBERS.

Deadline:
The deadline will be 23:00 GMT or 19:00 EST. (Please correct this if it is wrong).

Other:
This color is reserved by GM for GM use only.

Rules
§1a. You sign up for the game by requesting so in a post in this thread.
§1b. No new players will be admitted into the game once it has started, except as substitutes for a current player.
§1c. Players may at any time request a substitute in the thread.
§2a. Failure to vote on a given day will result in replacement or autokilling of the offending player. The granting of any "grace period" or forgiveness for late votes is entirely up to the GM.
§2b. Invalid votes will be treated as a failure to vote, and may result in substitution.
§3a. You are responsible for keeping your private message inbox empty enough to receive private messages. It is your fault if you miss important messages due to your inbox being full.
§3b. Quoting PMs from the GM is strictly forbidden; violation of this will result in an autolynch.
§3c. Forging of PMs from other players is allowed.
§3d. Screenshots of private messages are not permitted.
§4. Orders not delivered on time will be ignored and possibly mocked by the GM.
§5a. SPECTATORS AND GHOSTS MAY HAUNT, TAUNT AND FLAUNT, BUT NEVER SUGGEST ANY COURSE OF ACTION, AFFECT THE GAME IN ANY OTHER WAY NOR REVEAL ANY SECRET/INSIDE INFORMATION. ANYONE CAUGHT DOING IT WILL BE *PERMANENTLY* BANNED FROM PARTICIPATION. NO EXCUSES ARE VALID.
§5b. When doing ghost/spectator commentary, please use a non-white colour.
§6 Alliances or feuds between players which aren't based on your roles in the game are forbidden. Alliances or feuds which continue from one game to another undermine the whole idea of the game.
§7a Voting must be done in the following way. Write "VOTE" and the person you are voting for in bold text, preferably separated from any other words in your post. I will attempt to count any and all votes made, but I am not responsible for failing to notice a vote if it has not been clearly delineated as such. Here is an example vote:
VOTE X
If you wish to unvote someone, write "UNVOTE":
UNVOTE X, VOTE Y
Capital letters are optional. Misspelled player names or nicknames are acceptable, as long as it is clear whom you are voting. If you fail to unvote before voting again, or unvote the “wrong” person and vote someone new, the new vote WILL BE COUNTED.
§7b Editing a vote after it is made is forbidden, and if sufficiently egregious, may result in autolynching at the GM’s discretion.
§7c At the end of the day the player with the most votes is killed (lynched). If there is a tie, all leading candidates will be killed.
§8 Players leading the lynch vote are considered to be dead immediately following deadline, and are to post in ghost mode from that point forward. All other players are considered alive until the hunt is revealed.
§9. - The GM can and will remove players if the GM believes the player is not participating at his/her full capacity. This will be done through the use of killing the player's role, or using substitutes, if they are available. All such decisions are made solely at the discretion of the GM. DO NOT SIGN UP FOR THE GAME IF YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T PARTICIPATE.
§10A. – Trust no one. Especially not the GM.
§10B. - Always Trust the GM.


Player List
1. Dexander
2. Rovsea
3. Tornadoli
4. k-59 as Ted Baxter
5. aedan777
6. DutchGuy
7. Korona
8. Gorganslayer
9. Comm Cody
10. Ironhead5

 

[Dexander]

IN

 

[Rovsea]

In.

 

[Daffius]

I'd love to have joined (if allowed) but the deadline doesn't work for me unfortunately.
You missed 'lite' in the title naming, a mod could solve that for you. Good luck.

 

[LatinKaiser]

In

Also, the deadline is stated as both 19:00 EDST and 18:00 EDST, with the former being equivalent to 23:00 GMT. See Wagon, I've saved you the trouble.

 

[PanzerCorps]

Jerk. I reserved this long before you. And I'm staying true to my word. Next game up in a few minutes. Meanwhile, no one but traitors will join yours.

 

[Gen. Skobelev]

Jerk. I reserved this long before you. And I'm staying true to my word. Next game up in a few minutes. Meanwhile, no one but traitors will join yours.

Did you claim the theme earlier? I recall there was at least some talk about it but can't say if you outright claimed it. If you did, then it's shame GuG didn't honour that. Then again, if he acted on bona fide I can't fault him too much since you hadn't shown much interest in GMing before barging in and demanding to bypass the queue so it's possible he had forgotten all about it. In any case I'd suggest you just bite the bullet, lament the loss of theme and start thinking some other theme (unless GuG recognises he took the theme from you and is willing to change his now). It's a shame when themes get taken but it happens.

edit: I don't think the namecalling helps, though.

I'm afraid I can't be in. Computer troubles and such; I should really start looking for specs for new computer.

 

[PanzerCorps]

Did you claim the theme earlier? I recall there was at least some talk about it but can't say if you outright claimed it. If you did, then it's shame GuG didn't honour that. Then again, if he acted on bona fide I can't fault him too much since you hadn't shown much interest in GMing before barging in and demanding to bypass the queue so it's possible he had forgotten all about it. In any case I'd suggest you just bite the bullet, lament the loss of theme and start thinking some other theme (unless GuG recognises he took the theme from you and is willing to change his now). It's a shame when themes get taken but it happens.

I'm afraid I can't be in. Computer troubles and such; I should really start looking for specs for new computer.

No, it's not the theme. It was my turn to GM. I was the first to reserve a spot after we abolished the list

 

[Gen. Skobelev]

No, it's not the theme. It was my turn to GM. I was the first to reserve a spot after we abolished the list

Ah, right. I thought you were indignant for losing your theme which would have been understandable. But since this is about that reservation case I'm sorry to say but no, you aren't entitled to the next GM-ship. It's like k-59 said: either the list is totally abolished (and thus the thread) and GuG had made the reservation in previous game. Or the list is valid and GuG is that way next in line, too. I understand you aren't happy how big the waiting list had become but it isn't very fair to those in the list that you suddenly decide to jump the line. You simply stated that you don't want to wait and wanted everybody before you in the reservation to be ignored and your reservation put to the top of the queur. As annoying as the extra reservations and long waits can be jumping the line would be much worse. If you had no other times to GM I'm sure politely asking would have accommodated your wish. As it is, now you are unfortunately just saying you don't want to wait but the others should wait. That isn't very polite - it's just selfish, I'm afraid. I thought you'd me more considerate of others.

edit: I suppose the GM reservation thread would be more appropriate thread for this discussion.

 

[Tornadoli]

No, it's not the theme. It was my turn to GM. I was the first to reserve a spot after we abolished the list

Who said we abolished the list? You GM'ed tons of games before. This is EXACTLY why we need a list, so other people can also GM, and not just the first people to post.


IN


Also, make it more obvious that this is a Lite game.

 

[GreatUberGeek]

Jerk. I reserved this long before you. And I'm staying true to my word. Next game up in a few minutes. Meanwhile, no one but traitors will join yours.

Aww. I was hoping you could join, seeing as you are after all a Troper.

I'd love to have joined (if allowed) but the deadline doesn't work for me unfortunately.
You missed 'lite' in the title naming, a mod could solve that for you. Good luck.

Thanks for noticing that, Daffius. I'll contact a mod.

In

Also, the deadline is stated as both 19:00 EDST and 18:00 EDST, with the former being equivalent to 23:00 GMT. See Wagon, I've saved you the trouble.

Oops. Will be fixed.

 

[PanzerCorps]

Ah, right. I thought you were indignant for losing your theme which would have been understandable. But since this is about that reservation case I'm sorry to say but no, you aren't entitled to the next GM-ship. It's like k-59 said: either the list is totally abolished (and thus the thread) and GuG had made the reservation in previous game. Or the list is valid and GuG is that way next in line, too. I understand you aren't happy how big the waiting list had become but it isn't very fair to those in the list that you suddenly decide to jump the line. You simply stated that you don't want to wait and wanted everybody before you in the reservation to be ignored and your reservation put to the top of the queur. As annoying as the extra reservations and long waits can be jumping the line would be much worse. If you had no other times to GM I'm sure politely asking would have accommodated your wish. As it is, now you are unfortunately just saying you don't want to wait but the others should wait. That isn't very polite - it's just selfish, I'm afraid. I thought you'd me more considerate of others.

edit: I suppose the GM reservation thread would be more appropriate thread for this discussion.

Frankly, I'm doing this primarily for others. I don't even want to GM now(too busy, else I'd be hosting Resistance instead) but this list is bad for the whole community. It prevents people from hosting at the time they want, making for lower quality hosts, and lower quality games. It's not just bad for GMs but for players as well. We're a majority who want it gone, yet it just stays up and for some reason we all abide. Well I'm saying enough of that. If we can't destroy it we'll ignore it.

To be fair to those who've already reserved, we *could* freeze the list, let them have their turn and THEN destroy it. That'd be my preferredsolution actually. But given none of the pro-listers seem to agree, you leave us no choice.

 

[Arkasas]

Not in, but preemptively reserving Lite 330.

That's the next game! What a coincidence!

 

[Gen. Skobelev]

Frankly, I'm doing this primarily for others. I don't even want to GM now(too busy, else I'd be hosting Resistance instead) but this list is bad for the whole community. It prevents people from hosting at the time they want, making for lower quality hosts, and lower quality games. It's not just bad for GMs but for players as well. We're a majority who want it gone, yet it just stays up and for some reason we all abide. Well I'm saying enough of that. If we can't destroy it we'll ignore it.

Fair enough. I think the vast majority of werewolf community is much more like "meh, either way suits me" than overwhelmingly supporting either side. Let's face it, it hasn't been dozens of different players discussing the pros and cons of the issue but rather like a handful. Anyways, the lack of quality games isn't tied to the list but rather the individual performance of players and GMs. GM who lacks the basics would fail just as spectacularly no matter if he reserved the next game or came through the list. And zombie players will be zombies no matter how the GM goes about it.

Also, I believe I've stated numerous times my stand that people who don't really feel like GMing shouldn't reserve a spot, period. If unnecessary reservations weren't entered into the list the list wouldn't grow so big. I haven't been too happy how rarely there seems to be opening for GMing (which is why I haven't put my name into the list all the time) but at least there's been plenty of GMs and new ones have had their chance to dabble in GMing. And if there's been GMs skipped or withdrawn from the line when their turn comes.. well, again it's the fault of individuals who have made reservation without proper commitment.

To be fair to those who've already reserved, we *could* freeze the list, let them have their turn and THEN destroy it. That'd be my preferredsolution actually. But given none of the pro-listers seem to agree, you leave us no choice.

If the list were to be abolished freesing it and gradually removing it that way would be the way to go. It wouldn't be fair for all those who've waited patiently to suddenly have others jump the line. But since so few want to express their opinion in the thread (which is by now pure spam, btw) why not have mod open up a poll? That way people would get their say on the issue easily.

 

[al-Aziz]

In and I agree with Skobelev.

 

[Tornadoli]

Frankly, I'm doing this primarily for others. I don't even want to GM now(too busy, else I'd be hosting Resistance instead) but this list is bad for the whole community. It prevents people from hosting at the time they want, making for lower quality hosts, and lower quality games. It's not just bad for GMs but for players as well. We're a majority who want it gone, yet it just stays up and for some reason we all abide. Well I'm saying enough of that. If we can't destroy it we'll ignore it.

To be fair to those who've already reserved, we *could* freeze the list, let them have their turn and THEN destroy it. That'd be my preferredsolution actually. But given none of the pro-listers seem to agree, you leave us no choice.

Nothing's wrong with the list. Stop making assumption for other players. Maybe everyone on the list is enthusiastic about GMing, but just can't be bothered trawling each thread to see if someone already made a reservation? The list puts all of it in one place.

The list has been up for a short time, and so far, we haven't had bad GMing yet that would have been prevented without the list.

 

[PanzerCorps]

Fair enough. I think the vast majority of werewolf community is much more like "meh, either way suits me" than overwhelmingly supporting either side. Let's face it, it hasn't been dozens of different players discussing the pros and cons of the issue but rather like a handful. Anyways, the lack of quality games isn't tied to the list but rather the individual performance of players and GMs. GM who lacks the basics would fail just as spectacularly no matter if he reserved the next game or came through the list. And zombie players will be zombies no matter how the GM goes about it.

My way of seeing this is, there's no such a thing as a good GM or bad GM. There's a GM who currently has the time and desire to commit to the game he's hosting, and the one who currently doesn't. When you can just host whenever you want, you'll generally only host when you're able to commit. When you have to guess that months in advance, it becomes much harder.

Also, I believe I've stated numerous times my stand that people who don't really feel like GMing shouldn't reserve a spot, period. If unnecessary reservations weren't entered into the list the list wouldn't grow so big. I haven't been too happy how rarely there seems to be opening for GMing (which is why I haven't put my name into the list all the time) but at least there's been plenty of GMs and new ones have had their chance to dabble in GMing. And if there's been GMs skipped or withdrawn from the line when their turn comes.. well, again it's the fault of individuals who have made reservation without proper commitment.

But what if they *were* committed when they made the reservation, but just didn't feel like hosting anymore months after the fact? Just compare how I hosted, say, Schizophrenia(a game where I chose willingly to GM because I wanted to at the time) to how I hosted Kaiser's game that I took over(a game that I only abruptly was forced in).

If the list were to be abolished freesing it and gradually removing it that way would be the way to go. It wouldn't be fair for all those who've waited patiently to suddenly have others jump the line. But since so few want to express their opinion in the thread (which is by now pure spam, btw) why not have mod open up a poll? That way people would get their say on the issue easily.

It's sad we have to refer to a moderator again but I'll contact Jacob about a poll with 3 options either to keep the list as is, freeze it and let it die, or abolish it completely.

 

[PanzerCorps]

Nothing's wrong with the list. Stop making assumption for other players. Maybe everyone on the list is enthusiastic about GMing, but just can't be bothered trawling each thread to see if someone already made a reservation? The list puts all of it in one place.

The list has been up for a short time, and so far, we haven't had bad GMing yet that would have been prevented without the list.

Quite the contrary. We had the old system for years and no one ever complained about being unable to GM. At one point there were what, 3 or 4 reservations? The occasional hazard. Instead of just waiting them out and maybe preventing reservations for a while we started this mess since which we've had a higher density of bad GMing(could be confirmation bias, I admit, but that's what I've felt), longer waiting times between two games, GMs dropping out all of a sudden, lots of people being unable to ever GM because they can't guess months in advance if they'll have time... The evidence is just indisputable.

I will stop spamming this thread now and go talk to Jacob. See you.

 

[PanzerCorps]

Also, fixed the first post for you.

Werewolf Lite CCCXXIX
TV Tropes Will Ruin Your Life​

​

We've all heard of TV Tropes. Some of us even have accounts there. But TV Tropes holds a dark secret: TV Tropes Will Ruin Your Life. Those tropers already sucked into the world of TV Tropes are trying to slowly make the others succumb to their alluring links deposited all over the forum. It is the job of the innocent forumites to stop the tropers and their allies from Ruining Their Lives Forever.

I mean, if you're doing a tvtropes theme without inserting links everywhere, you're wasting a *huge* opportunity. I'd do it to the rest of the post if I could be bothered but alas...

 

[Wagonlitz]

I won't be in, since this deadline is nasty. (1 AM so I oughtn't stay up for it, but I know from experience that it will happen and that I then probably will hang around for the update.)
If you really need players I can join though.
Also the time zones look correct assuming you mean EDT by EST; i.e. summer time on the American east coast.

My way of seeing this is, there's no such a thing as a good GM or bad GM. There's a GM who currently has the time and desire to commit to the game he's hosting, and the one who currently doesn't. When you can just host whenever you want, you'll generally only host when you're able to commit. When you have to guess that months in advance, it becomes much harder.

But people wouldn't just be able to GM when they wanted, since there might very well be others wanting to GM too. What would you do then without a list?

Quite the contrary. We had the old system for years and no one ever complained about being unable to GM. At one point there were what, 3 or 4 reservations? The occasional hazard. Instead of just waiting them out and maybe preventing reservations for a while we started this mess since which we've had a higher density of bad GMing(could be confirmation bias, I admit, but that's what I've felt), longer waiting times between two games, GMs dropping out all of a sudden, lots of people being unable to ever GM because they can't guess months in advance if they'll have time... The evidence is just indisputable.

I will stop spamming this thread now and go talk to Jacob. See you.

I don't think we have had particularly many bad GMs; sure we have had more than in the half year prior to the list. On the other hand with the list we have had many more new GMs which is what has led to more bad GMs. Those GMs will get better. And things like bro's broken big wouldn't have been prevented without the list. He simply shouldn't have hosted a big as his first game. List or not he would still have made a wolf/sorc lover pair, completely broken packs (I remember something like three packs: One of 1, one of 2, and one of 5 where the sorc was lover to one of those wolves).
And with regard to people dropping from the list then that mainly was when tucan was up, but had disappeared. And we hadn't formalised rules for what to do in such a case. Now you are skipped once before being removed from the list. And people generally haven't been slow to put up new games.