Hello all.

Sadly we can't yet talk about the big feature of Common Sense, Subject Interaction.. As we are completely redoing the interface for it, so it has to wait until next week.

Instead, we'll talk about a major change to the Holy Roman Empire, and give you the new achievements for 1.12.

Imperial Authority and Reforms

Imperial Authority has had a significant rework in 1.12. The old system tended to advance or retreat authority in big lurches and was very open to exploits. It also did not take into account how well the Empire was doing overall, and there was little benefit for the Emperor to maintain a large number of member states.

This has been changed in 1.12, as many of the events that gave Imperial Authority have been replaced with ticking values. The monthly change to Imperial Authority is now displayed in the interface, and will depend on factors such as:
- Whether there is peace in the Empire
- Total number of member states
- The amount of HRE territory held by outside powers
- The amount of HRE territory held by heretics & heathens
- The number of electors and free cities

An Emperor who is doing a good job will see their Imperial Authority naturally grow without having to resort to methods such as annexing states when authority is at 0 only to release them again later, while an Emperor that allows outside powers and heretics to dominate the Empire will find themselves unable to pass reforms entirely.

As part of this change, we've also revised the old 'Imperial Integrity' modifier for having more than 25 princes. We felt this modifier was both too strong and too arbitrary, so it has been removed. Instead, the HRE reforms were buffed to provide more of an incentive for members to vote for reform.

Achievements

Baltic Crusader - As Teutonic Order or Livonian Order conquer all of the Russia Region and make it Catholic.
Neither Holy, Nor German - Get 7 free cities in the HRE that are not of German Culture, as Emperor
Colonial Management - Have 3 colonial governors directly appointed by you at the same time.
Voting Streak - Get through 11 Issues in a row in Parliament
An Industrial Revolution - As GBR, all in english region, with 25 development.

City of Cities - Create a City with 60 development.
One Family to Rule them All - Have your dynasty on 8 thrones at the same time.
This is My Faith - Become Protestant and get maximum amount of traits.
Bleed them dry - Have 10 different War Reparations being paid to you at the same time.
Subsidize my Love - Subsidize 3 different allies at least 50% of their monthly income without running a deficit.

Take that Habsburgs! - As Hungary, Conquer all of Austria.
The White Elephant - As Ayutthaya conquers all provinces in Indochina region
The Buddhists strike back - As Ceylon conquer all of India and convert it to Theravada.
Better than Napoleon - As France, conquer Vienna, Berlin & Moscow.
Big Blue Blob - As France, hold 100 european core provinces before 1500.

A Full House - Have 3 Vassals & 2 Marches at the Same time.
Black Jack - Maintain 21 different overseas Subjects with more than 5 provinces each, without anyone having more than 50% Liberty Desire - Trade Companies does not count.
A Decent Reserve - Gain at least 1M Manpower.
The Six Nations - Form a federation of at least 6 nations as the Iroqious.
The Bohemians - Conquer and core Dublin as Bohemia.

Komenoi Empire - Make Trebizond into an Empire.
Lucky Lucca - As Lucca, own Lucknow!
A Fine Goosestep - Form Prussia and get 125% Discipline.
Meissner Porcelain - As Saxony own all chinaware provinces.
All Your Trade are Belong to Us! - Have highest tradepower in Genoa, Venice, & English Channel, while gaining 300 income per month.

 

[Te. Kenzo]

Many enlightened reform were done before the revolution in the countries lead by the eneimies of the revolution. This is to say that everything is more complicated than the progressive storytale about ancient regime and is teleology. I don't want to say anything more than that.

 

[Redashirov]

But there must be some other change. I believe protectorates count towards your diplomatic relations limit.

Actually they (and colonial nations) are the two subjects that don't, so all you need to do is go to the indies with a decent stack of troops, invade the primitives with expansion casus belli, and your golden!

 

[Redashirov]

Imperial integrity was originally introduced in EU3 to offset the increased infamy gain and unlawful imperial territory modifiers. Back then, HRE nations were encouraged to expand via unions rather than annexation.

Then of course, methods for obtaining unions got nerfed in EU4... and now, imperial integrity got removed... and yet increased infamy and unlawful imperial territory modifiers still exist... Surely, at least the infamy gain from annexation within HRE should be tweaked to account for this?

At the present, it is very difficult for minors within HRE to expand without using gamey tactics to avoid unlawful imperial territory (e.g., stay in wars until new provinces are cored or declare new pointless war just to stall until you core, allying with the emperor solely to avoid imperial territory malus, etc etc)

Not all nations within the HRE will be free cities or aspire to become emperor.

Your partially correct here, but you should see that Imperial Integrity was nerfed, not removed.

 

[Sunspawn]

IMO, rather than Elan! which simply makes no sense in pre-Rev France, it could get a late idea for arty CA modeled on the Gribeauval System, which made french artillery the crutch upon which the Rev French armies leaned on - quite heavily in fact. Without the superiority of the french artillery, the First Republic would've likely been smashed by the Austro-Prusso-Brunswickian armies during the french invasion of the Austrian Netherlands.

 

[Slayen]

I do wonder if along side these HRE changes there have been any tweaks to the Religious Leagues?

Such as the fact that if someone joins one league, and then gets PU'ed or vassalized by some on the other, they still stay in their original league. Or the increasing oddness that the only way for Reformed to be able to become Emperor is to try and actually stall the war should it actually fire.

 

[TheDungen]

French population does not translate to having higher morale - it is already represented as high-BT provinces with high manpower. There is absolutely no reason for Elan! to be a thing before the revolution made fanatics out of the soldiers in the French army.


Charlemagne WAS NOT FRENCH. He was frankish, which is far closer to German than French, thus the cradle of western civilization is Germany. Eat that baguette!
France was far from being the first to abolish the feudal structure - England started moving away from it towards cities as early as the 12th century and the Italian principalities - those that were not republics - were not feudal even while they had dukes in charge.
Clarification - a kingdom can exist without a feudal structure. Feudalism =/= monarchy.

France was not half as awesome as the game portrays it as.

Actually with Charlamagne's whole cultural ressurection doctrine he could be considered the last frankish king and the first french one. His decisions to move the franks closer to the latin heritage is what spawned the french. So no Charlamagne wasn't born french I'll give you that.

I said that france abolished it's feudalism after the hundred years war, that centuries before they abolish their monarchy. I'm talking about the move from feudal to abolute monarchy. And the italians states were never feudal. and most of them were officially feudal subjects of the holy roman empire.

As for brittain they didn't abloish their feudalism they parlamentarised it. England/brittain has never had a absolute monarch, their nobles never lost power. Even today they have a house of lords and a house of commons.

 

[TheChrisD]

Still no Timurid/Mughal cheeovs

Technically there are some Timmy achievements, if you consider a culture-converted and Shia-converted Timmy forming Persia

 

[Korashy]

Please fix HRE AE

 

[TheDungen]

The Napoleonic wars are within the game era 1803-1815, game ends 1821.

Oh I see, I didn't see it amongst the start dates so I assumed it had been bumped to victoria, which actuallt would have made more sense Napoleon's doctrinal changes is very much what changes the way europe wages war, not on the battlefields but how they justify it (in that they really didn't). Then again I can see why they did it.

 

[Ritmas]

Who has five releasable vassals at start? Ming maybe?

I'd guess Timurids

 

[terminalstatus]

Excited for the next DD! Thanks for sharing!

 

[mattd_]

Your partially correct here, but you should see that Imperial Integrity was nerfed, not removed.

As part of this change, we've also revised the old 'Imperial Integrity' modifier for having more than 25 princes. We felt this modifier was both too strong and too arbitrary, so it has been removed. Instead, the HRE reforms were buffed to provide more of an incentive for members to vote for reform.

 

[Giffica]

Who has five releasable vassals at start? Ming maybe?

Ottomans, I believe. Ming have well over 5.

Can you turn the Japanese Daimyo into Marches?

 

[IsadorBG]

France isnt that kind of powerhouse, it's a colonial nation, it's a cultural hub, but in regards to land on the european continent the only thing the kingdom of france manages to conquer is brittany. France is powerful yes but it spends that power trying to keep real powerhouses such as the holy roman empire (up until the peace of westphalia) and later the brittish in check. And it ends up bancrupting itself doing that.
Eventually france is late into the industrial revolution and loses it's global holdings. France is one of the big losers of this period. They are on the crusp of being the first kingdom to abolish the feudal state at the begining of the game (that big centralisation that the HRE never manages to pull of). And at the end, while they have not yet fallen the stage is already set for a former imperial OPM to proclaim itself the german empire in Versailles.

Here's a map for you that shows French territorial acquisition since 987. You'll see that post 1444 Brittany is far from the only place France expanded.

Also please note that most of French expansion is in the east in HRE territories which means that France had to beat Austria and Spain to get those territories most of the time.

Edit: The other noticeable part is kicking the English forever from the continent ending in 1453 more than 4 centuries of English domains in France. I consider this to also be a great military victory.

Then of course you get 2 period where France is beating up most of Europe. Louis XIV's reigns and the revolutionnary era.

 

[Tom013]

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Modifier removed. The concept of Imperial Integrity is still a thing it seems. As you can see in the screenshot, the Emperor is getting IA for having many princes as well as keeping provinces out of foreign hands. I feel it makes more sense for Imperial Integrity to be represented that way.

 

[Giffica]

Based on this thread, lets just make two copies of EU4. One without France, and one where the entire world is France. That seems to be the divide of the player base.

 

[TheDungen]

Here's a map for you that shows French territorial acquisition since 987. You'll see that post 1444 Brittany is far from the only place France expanded.

Also please note that most of French expansion is in the east in HRE territories which means that France had to beat Austria and Spain to get those territories most of the time.

Ok granted they nibbled away at the HRE, but compare this to what happens in game if you let it run on observe mode.

 

[Guthuk Gaming]

The removal of imperial integrity is a fairly large nerf.

 

[TheDungen]

Based on this thread, lets just make two copies of EU4. One without France, and one where the entire world is France. That seems to be the divide of the player base.

The second one is the game as it is close to the end of the game, if the payer isn't playing a nation close enough to them to keep them in check.

 

[stilgarpl]

He said cheat engine. I assume he meant one of those programs that logs into your Steam account and just activates whatever achievements you wanted.

No, cheat engine is one of those programs that edit game memory while playing and could give you one bazillion dollars, two million manpower, 78/86/115 ruler and tweak other numbers...