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One thing, if you do attack Moscow and don't like the unrealistic 'compete loss of all resources because reasons', you could use console commands to switch over and give them 1000-10,000 of everything, or something along those lines to keep them afloat while their stockpiles are rebuilt.

Yeah, and I think that launching Taifun at all was one of the mistakes of the historical Op. Barbarossa. When has the 'desperate lunge at the capital' not backfired, and in this case it led to German losses while giving a boost to Soviet morale. I'd go with the first option.
 
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no idea when it comes out... the modders are still working on a lot of details... so in the meanwhile, I can play CKII :p
 
From a gameplay point of view, it does look as if the Russians are on the ropes but the Wehrmacht needs at least a short break as well. You have managed to destroy a lot of enemy formations, but more are coming. Mostly of lesser quality but still in numbers. However, the troops risk running too far ahead of their supplies. The Luftwaffe needs time to rebase as well and there is still enemy formations in the now rearward areas, eg Courland Pocket.
From a reasonable point of view, it would seem logical to advance where no enemy formations oppose further advances while similarily a coherent line can be formed. Where only light opposition is expected or where preferable terrain is in enemy hands, advances should also be made but only to strengthen or shorten the line the Wehrmacht needs to hold. At the same time, the Courland pocket must be reduced while Leningrad is a close second on the target list, as it would ease the supply situation along the northern front. After this has been established, further advances can be made.

From an unreasonable point of view (ie. Hitler's), I'd say damn all reason and go Moskov or bust. Hell, it might even work, assuming the USSR folds once its taken.
 
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It's usually not enough, though. You need pretty much every VP west of the line Leningrad-Moscow-Stalingrad.
 
They wouldn't fold, but loss of the infrastructure hub should make much of their line in the Western USSR untenable, and would ease logistical issues on the drive deeper into the Soviet Union.
 
I just got a new idea from this, to do a second Italy AAR that uses historically accurate forces (except maybe completing construction of the carriers in a timely manner). The 'clusterfuck' nature of the Italian military would make it interesting, and give me a few different approaches I could take. However, I can't seem to find any proper, detailed OoB's, think you could help me find the information on that somehow?
 
One thing, if you do attack Moscow and don't like the unrealistic 'compete loss of all resources because reasons', you could use console commands to switch over and give them 1000-10,000 of everything, or something along those lines to keep them afloat while their stockpiles are rebuilt.
A good idea, indeed. Although, I'm already editing the soviet text.file weekly now, in order to give them enough IC points in the East and a production boost to their units.
Yeah, and I think that launching Taifun at all was one of the mistakes of the historical Op. Barbarossa. When has the 'desperate lunge at the capital' not backfired, and in this case it led to German losses while giving a boost to Soviet morale. I'd go with the first option.
Historians are still debating "pros" and "cons" of Taifun. The first stage, i.e. the Battle of Viazma, was undoubtedly a success (the greatest the Germans ever achieved in WWII) and led to a panic in the Soviet capital. The ensuing delays due to the Rasputitsa gave the Soviets time to recover and the early and cold winter did the rest...
In my case, the situation is different though : winter is not coming before 3 months. Therefore, many options remains opened.

From a gameplay point of view, it does look as if the Russians are on the ropes but the Wehrmacht needs at least a short break as well. You have managed to destroy a lot of enemy formations, but more are coming. Mostly of lesser quality but still in numbers. However, the troops risk running too far ahead of their supplies. The Luftwaffe needs time to rebase as well and there is still enemy formations in the now rearward areas, eg Courland Pocket.
From a reasonable point of view, it would seem logical to advance where no enemy formations oppose further advances while similarily a coherent line can be formed. Where only light opposition is expected or where preferable terrain is in enemy hands, advances should also be made but only to strengthen or shorten the line the Wehrmacht needs to hold. At the same time, the Courland pocket must be reduced while Leningrad is a close second on the target list, as it would ease the supply situation along the northern front. After this has been established, further advances can be made.
I fully agree on that !
In any case, until the Courland Pocket is being fully reduced, the 18. Armee can't move any further. That means the entite HGr. 'Nord' has to wait. Besides, without minimum air support from the Luftwaffe, any advance would be made at at murderous cost and my MP situation is already bad enough.
Right now, my priorities are to give some time to the infantry to catch up, to establish my communication/supply lines properly (using RHG's units to secure them) and to regroup my motorized formations for the next jump.

From an unreasonable point of view (ie. Hitler's), I'd say damn all reason and go Moskov or bust. Hell, it might even work, assuming the USSR folds once its taken.
It's usually not enough, though. You need pretty much every VP west of the line Leningrad-Moscow-Stalingrad.
Fully right ! Here is the ICE veteran speaking !!! ;)
Until reaching the Arkhangelsk-Astrakan Line, the Bear will continue to fight. And I'm not even in Rostov...

They wouldn't fold, but loss of the infrastructure hub should make much of their line in the Western USSR untenable, and would ease logistical issues on the drive deeper into the Soviet Union.
Theorically, yes but I won't make it that simple. I keep an eye on the Soviet IC and I'm working on corrections to simulate the relocation of industries beyong the Urals.
Past experiences showed that the final decision has to be made in the south... where the infra is the worse. :(

I just got a new idea from this, to do a second Italy AAR that uses historically accurate forces (except maybe completing construction of the carriers in a timely manner). The 'clusterfuck' nature of the Italian military would make it interesting, and give me a few different approaches I could take. However, I can't seem to find any proper, detailed OoB's, think you could help me find the information on that somehow?
What kind of OoBs do you want? May be this helps? There are also a few OoBs in there: http://www.axishistory.com/axis-nations/italy
This AAR also has the full Italian OoB (for 1940). I'll post it if you want (or PM me on this point). The link provided is quite good though it lacks all the air and naval assets (as well as divisional commanders). If you've got some budget, I rather would refer to the books of Charles Pettibone instead (The Organization and Order of Battle of Militaries in World War II). 10 volumes but it's worth buying them.

Btw, carriers for Italy ?!! Come on... In the Middle Ages, some have been burnt alive for less than that !!! :D
 
Baltasar: Thanks, but I can't find the dates of deployment. It at least gives me a guide on how to expand from '38-40, though, which is useful.
Nicegil: The Italians could've had the Aquila and Falco finished during the war if they had lasted a bit longer. They could've had Aquila before the outbreak of war, if the Regia Aeronautica wasn't completely delusional in regards to who controls carrier aircraft :D

I've done something of a test run with what knowledge I have, and had a few moments that reminded me of the Bismarck's duel with HMS Rodney. The historic battle off the Coast of Cape Matapan happened, only with my escort carrier present - the heavy cruisers took a beating, but each of them survived. Later on, there was a battle very similar to The Battle of Calabria, but with my escort carrier present - that, a bit of luck, and the fact it was the Littorio and Vittorio Veneto vs the WWI era battleships this time around - was enough to turn it into a victory that saw no sinkings, but two of the three British battleships were crippled while the Littorio took significant damage. Either way, I'm getting off topic with this - I'd appreciate that OoB being PM'd, and we can talk about this in the thread for my AAR.
 
It would be interesting to see Malta fall. It is always great when the Italians take it on their own.
 
Once, I saw the Italians take Malta and the Republican Spanish retake it, before mounting an invasion of Libya by way of Tripoli.
 
All right. Back to business...
Next update will be done this week. Sorry for the delay.

Another link for Italian forces: http://www.feldgrau.com/italy.html
A great site indeed !

Here's another one which could be helpful...
http://www.axishistory.com/other-aspects/campaigns-a-operations

Baltasar: Thanks, but I can't find the dates of deployment. It at least gives me a guide on how to expand from '38-40, though, which is useful.
Nicegil: The Italians could've had the Aquila and Falco finished during the war if they had lasted a bit longer. They could've had Aquila before the outbreak of war, if the Regia Aeronautica wasn't completely delusional in regards to who controls carrier aircraft :D

I've done something of a test run with what knowledge I have, and had a few moments that reminded me of the Bismarck's duel with HMS Rodney. The historic battle off the Coast of Cape Matapan happened, only with my escort carrier present - the heavy cruisers took a beating, but each of them survived. Later on, there was a battle very similar to The Battle of Calabria, but with my escort carrier present - that, a bit of luck, and the fact it was the Littorio and Vittorio Veneto vs the WWI era battleships this time around - was enough to turn it into a victory that saw no sinkings, but two of the three British battleships were crippled while the Littorio took significant damage. Either way, I'm getting off topic with this - I'd appreciate that OoB being PM'd, and we can talk about this in the thread for my AAR.
Yeah. I knew about the Aquila and Falco (Sparviero, actually) but for me, seing an italian aircraft carrier before 1943 is (almost) an heresy.
However, I grant you that having one CV within a naval group helps a lot...

It would be interesting to see Malta fall. It is always great when the Italians take it on their own.
Hey Forster ! Nice to see you back ! :)

Yes, I'd love to see my "friends and allies" taking it too but it seems they lack the required fighting spirit to do this (and may be the transport ships too).
But don't worry, capturing Malta is on my to-do list.

Once, I saw the Italians take Malta and the Republican Spanish retake it, before mounting an invasion of Libya by way of Tripoli.
I've never understood while the (italian) IA doesn't consider Malta as a primary objective.
 
maybe because the Italian AI thinks exactly like the RL Italian High Command
 
Even if they did, barring an airborne assault it'd be hard to take if not by a surprise attack at the outbreak of the war. I tried in my 'mostly historic' game, and the first time it took two all out offensives by the Regia Marina to gain the necessary degree of naval superiority to take the island by amphibious attack, and I lost two BBs and quite few screens. Then it crashed, and the second time I tried required three attempts. By then, the Regia Marina was at under half strength from my aggressive strategy. Though, I had inflicted greater losses than I took. And that was with the historic fleet plus an escort carrier.

But, it was just in time to secure the central Med, rush reinforcements to Mitsurata through the now-secured Central Mediterranean and drive the British into the Suez Canal.
And bah, fine, you're right about the CVL/CV's. :p
 
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Ansatz 'Barbarossa'
August 1st-August 11th

"Sicilian Opening"



Hauptquartier der HGr. 'Mitte', Minsk - 1941, August, the 3rd - 2300
Feldmarschall von Bock, CO HGr. 'Mitte', meets General von Greiffenberg, his Chief of Staff.

"- Sorry to wake you up, Herr Feldmarschall, but it is important.
- It better has... What's going on ?
- I just get General Weisengerger on the phone : the Soviet forces encircled in the Bialystok Pocket surrendered.

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Surrender of the Bialystok Pocket
- Endlich !!! It was about time : I'm surprized they held that long. Almost 3 weeks now...
- But now it's over, Herr Feldmarschall. 17 divisions, the remains of 5 armies, dropped their weapons. We've made over 170.000 prisonners.
Your biggest success if I may add. Congrats, Herr Feldmarschall !
- Wait until we reach Moscow before uncorking the champagne, mein lieber von Greiffenberg. It's just A victory, not THE victory...
- At least, we can now redeploy our security units properly along our communication and supply lines, Herr Feldmarschall. One thing less to worry about.
- I still have plenty left, mein Lieber..."


Hauptquartier BfH der U-Boote, Lorient - 1941, August, the 4th - 0930
Vizeadmiral Dönitz, Führer der U-Boote, meets Kommodore von Friedeburg, his Deputy Commander.

"- Moin-moin Kommore. Na, something special to report ?
- Same old, Admiral. Both 1. and 2. U-Flotille reported some kills within the western approaches last night. The month is looking good with already 11 freighters and 3 escorts sunk.
- Hopefully it's going to be even better : look !

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U-boats patrol areas
- We're now authorized to conduct unrestricted submarine warfare ? It was about time, Admiral...
- It's merely a response to the last "defensive" measures of the USA. Their so-called neutrality is a joke and and we all know that's now just a matter of time before they enter the war alongside with the Allies. Nonetheless, we should try to refrain attack on US warships.
How long until the new flotillas arrive ?
- The 3. and 9. U-Flottille are scheduled for deployment in October, respectively in La Rochelle and Brest. The crews started a training cyclus to get familiar with their new type VII U-boats.
- Very good ! With two new flotillas, we'll be able to fill the gap between Portugal and the Azores as well as to relieve the 6. U-Flottille. We might need these Type IX off the US coasts if the Amis decide to fight..."


Hauptquartier OB Süd, Rome - 1941, August the 8th - 1930
Generalleutnant von Rintelen, CinC OB Süd, meets General Fröhlich, CO Italuft.

"- Na, Fröhlich ? Have you heard anything from Geissler ?
- I did, Herr General, but I still think it was a bit too early.
- I know, mein Lieber, I know. But our Italian allies didn't leave us many options...
First, and despite their numerous optimistic statements, even the Tyrrhenian Sea isn't secure. Look what happened on the 4th of August !!!

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Pyrrhic victory
- I've heard about it. A total disaster... 4 cruisers sunk and numerous ships damaged. Not very encouraging about the fighting abilities of the Regia Marina.
- The worse is that they dare to call it a victory !!! I'm telling you, Fröhlich : another such victory and they're undone.
And as if it wasn't enough, the day after, the Brits launched TWO air raids against the ships in the port of Naples, damaging some and ruining the morale of our friends.

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Sitting ducks
- No response from the Regia Aeronautica, Herr General ?
- Absolutly none. Squat, niente !!! Their air defense fighters are located God knows where...!!!
Since the british bombers took off from Malta, that's why I ordered General Geissler to start offensive operations against the island. I know our troops for Unternehmen 'Herkules' aren't fully ready but we had to annihilate the threat posed by this hornet nest... and it had to be done quickly !
- At least, Herr General, this part has been done properly. Malta won't be a major concern for a while now. At least, it bought us some time.

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Retaliation I
Following your order, General Geissler launched his bombers on Malta's airfield on the 5th, just after the first british air raid. He launched another air raid later the very same day and two others on the 6th.
As a result, Malta's airfield has been put out of operation for a few days.

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Retaliation II
The day after, he then started air strikes against the port facilities of Malta and against the ships docked over there. As we spoke, his aircrafts must be returning from their fourth port strike and we have confirmation of a dozen enemy destroyers sunk as well as some Free French submarines. The port facilities have been heavily damaged too and all AAA positions as well.
- Very good ! Congrats General Geissler from me.
Another week, may be two, and we'll be ready to launch Unternehmen 'Herkules'. Malta will be ours !"


Hauptquartier der 12. Armee, Belgrad - 1941, August, the 9th - 0900
General List, CO 12. Armee, on the phone with Oberst Petersen, CO 125. IR (mot.)

"- Oberst Petersen ? Is the situation under control now ?
- Barely, Herr General. You've got a good hintch by sending me and my regiment over there. Despite what the Bulgarians told you, they aren't able to clear the area all by themselves.
- Is it that bad ?

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Curtain raise in Yugoslavia
- Well... At least, the quick reaction prevented the partisans to spread widely. They've been contained in the moutains south of Skopje but it's going to be quite hard to dislodge them from their nests ! Some air support would be nice, Herr General.
- Unfortunatly, none is available. You'll have to take care of this problem without it.
- I think it will be possible for now but with regards to the growing hostilities towards us in this country, the worse is still to come, Herr General !
- Listen... I already told the OKW in numerous occasions that we need more units and equipment to properly secure the country. Reinforcements have been promised to me but for the moment, there's nothing we can do.
- Got it, Herr General. I hope they'll move their asses quickly : we're sitting on a volcano here !"


OKH Hauptquartier, Railroad to Minsk - 1941, August, the 11th - 1800
Feldmarschall von Brauchitsch, CinC OKH, meets General Halder, his Chief of Staff.

"- Mein lieber Halder, I'm telling you : I'm really happy to leave Rastenburg and all these OKW top brass. Our Headquarter in Minsk will sure be much more efficient without these fine gentlemen and their suggestions.
- That's right, Herr Feldmarschall. Still, we'll always have to follow their prime directives.
- As long as the original plan remains, there won't be that much interference, Herr Feldmarschall... even from the Führer.
- It's up to us to make sure it remains that way. Any major changes in the last days ?
- Not so much but it was expected so.
In the North, according to the OKW reports, things are going well. Both the Gebirgskorps and XXXVI. HöK are pushing back the Soviet forces and it's now just a matter of time before the whole Kola Peninsula will be in our hands. Further south, the III. Armeijekunta and reserves of Befehlsstelle 'Finland' established a solid defensive front to prevent the Soviets to reopen the corridor to Murmansk. According to the last intelligence reports, most of the Soviet forces in the are seem to have been withdrawn in order to reinforce their central front. But the latest is just an assumption...
- Good news for the Finns but less good for us. Go on.
- No major changes in the sector of Heeresgruppe 'Nord'. The 16. Armee is still redeploying as the 18. Armee carries on with the reduction of the Courland Pocket. 26 Soviet divisions are still acounted for and they fight with tooth and nail. General von Küchler remains confident about the situation but he reported that his units are bleeding to death. If you want my opinion, Herr Feldmarschall, his 18. Armee will need a lot of time to fully recover after this...
- Unfortunatly, time is a luxury we cannot afford, mein lieber Halder. We can still expect another 8 to 9 weeks of good weather and we must make the most of it. After that...
- Anyhow, after the surrender of the Bialystock, von Bock and his Heeresgruppe 'Mitte' has his rears secure now. Security units will take positions along his supply lines and the railroad engineers are working as fast as they can.
Half the 4. Armee has reached the front but the rest, as well as the bulk of the 9. Armee, are still around Minsk. It will take another 10 to 15 days before they can be in position to launch offensive operations.
- And God only knows how many divisions Ivan will be able to gather until then...
- That's exactly what von Bock told me, Herr Feldmarschall. Since his left flank seems strong enough with the arrival of some 4. Armee's elements, he proposed to launch the 3. Panzergruppe N-E in order to reach the Volga and to link up with the 4. Panzergruppe. Doing so, we'll...
- Be able to trap a dozen of Soviet divisions and to crush them with both II. and XII. AK.
- Besides, after the reduction of this Velikye Luki Salient, we should be able to resume our drive to Leningrad AND to have a free way towards Moscow, Herr Feldmarschall.
- Not bad... We should think about it. carry on.

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SitRep - 1941-08-11

- Further south, the 2. Panzergruppe crossed the Desna south of Brjansk. Since there were only service units in the area, Guderian insisted to launch his tanks towards Orel. However, after a meeting we had with both Feldmarschall von Bock and von Rundtedt, we all agree that the elimination of the Soviet forces east of Kiev had priority. It wasn't easy but Guderian acknowleged it too...
- Dieser Hitzkopf !!! And yet, he knew that until the 9. Armee arrives, he couldn't move any further !
- Anyway... Right now, we have very good hope to trap the enemy forces ; 12 divisions roughly. The XXXXVI. AK (mot.) is about to close the pocket from the north as the 2. and 6. Armee will attack from the west and south respectively.
- And once done, the 2. Armee will be able to move towards Kursk as the 2. Panzergruppe will be in position to launch his flanking maneuver towards Orel and Tula.
- We shouln't rush things through but yes, Herr Feldmarschall, that's the idea. Furthermore, von Reichenau and his 6. Armee will be free to progress towards Kharkov.
- How's doing von Rundstedt ?
- So far, so good, Herr Feldmarschall. Well... sort of...
Half of the 6. Armee keeps moving east. Von Kleist and his 1. Panzergruppe managed to destroy half a dozen Soviet divisions on the east bank of the Dniepr and his units are in position to threaten Kharkov. Unfortunatly, half of them also experiment some supply issues so, for the moment, they took defensive positions west of the city.
- What about resupplying them from the air ?
- We tried, Herr Feldmarschall, but with most of our Geschwader refitting in the rear, the skies on the frontline belong to the VVS. The last attempts turned into a disaster...
- Mhmmmm... We expected supply issues but not that fast.
- We didn't expect the Soviets will sabotage the hydro power plant of Dniprostoj either. Our main supply line in the south was expected to go through Dniepropetrovsk but it will now take months to repair everything and to resume normal traffic.

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Scorched earth
- Do you have some good news ?
- At least, I don't have bad ones, Herr Feldmarschall. The 17. Armee is still far behind but the enemy opposition isn't a major threat. The Soviets have lost ca. 70 divisions in the southern area and they'll have a real hard time to recover. Most of their reinforcements are redirected to their central front and unless they redeploy units from the Caucasus or the Far East, von Rundstedt and our Romanian allies should have some rest. Stalino has been evacuated by the enemy and Romanian troops are about to enter the city.
Further south, the 11. Armee forced the gates of the Crimean Peninsula. The XXXXII. AK is about to lay siege to Sevastopol ; it's now waiting for heavy artillery assets to attack the city. Meanwhile, the LIV. AK is pushing eastwards to seize Kerch. It's now a matter of time before we take control of the whole Crimea.

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Casualties after 51 days
- Tell von Schobert to be cautious and to spare his troops. Though the casualties ratio is still much in our favour, we've lost already too much ! Nearly 23.000 men lost already for the very first days of august !!!
- I personnaly called General Fromm to get every possible reinforcement but he didn't gave me much hope. We're already stretched to our manpower limits, Herr Feldmarschall.
- I'm mainly concern with the caualties of the Heeresgruppe 'Mitte'. Look !

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Ostheer Manpower
Despite replacements, the figures keep going down. How are we supposed to launch the final assault on Moscow if our main striking force always becomes weaker and weaker...?
- Have faith, Herr Feldmarschall, I'm pretty sure the Soviets aren't in a better shape !
- I hope so, mein lieber Halder... I really hope so."


 
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The long awaited return has happened! Rejoice!
 
134 divisions lost in less than 2 months? Must have been some very nice shooting :)