I hope HOI4 wont be this dumbed down version. I really, really hope that is a fun, challenging and historical (yet open ended) game.
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It mainly looks like HoI4 will be more gamey in some respects, but overall it looks promising at the very worst. Naval and air combat, and division building appear improved, particularly.
Ok back to the AAR.
My war-goal is to "Acquire the Caucasus" for Turkey and I'm assuming that the German A.I. would select "Conquer." (What the other 5 nations would choose I have no idea) In light of my needing to declare war on the Soviets before Germany would many months later; does anyone know what will happen if the Axis wins? My main question is did I mess things up by declaring on the Russians first? did that break the game as I've often read about in other deviations from the script?
Confirming an earlier statement, If I understand correctly; when the war is won, Germany will take "The Bitter Peace" and I will not end up with the Caucasus as part of Turkey?
My war-goal is to "Acquire the Caucasus" for Turkey and I'm assuming that the German A.I. would select "Conquer." (What the other 5 nations would choose I have no idea) In light of my needing to declare war on the Soviets before Germany would many months later; does anyone know what will happen if the Axis wins? My main question is did I mess things up by declaring on the Russians first? did that break the game as I've often read about in other deviations from the script?
Confirming an earlier statement, If I understand correctly; when the war is won, Germany will take "The Bitter Peace" and I will not end up with the Caucasus as part of Turkey?
Don't know. What is strange is, I tagged and went in to see what Germany had chose and it had chosen nothing. (I'm afraid this is what I may have hosed, by my DOWing the SU ahead of them) and then I tagged over to Finland and they had claimed nothing either...so I selected "Retake our cores" for them. Who knows, I might have messed things up in some other way.
But if Germany made no war-goals because I already had, then if the Axis won it would mean I'd get Russia (I'm guessing) and that would be a silly result. I saved this save apart and will see what happens. I'm surprised the A.I. would not set the War-goals at the start of the war but maybe it happens by script. I just wish I knew this mechanics better and could depend on the outcome.
Reading that someone just had Finland end their Germany game (by Peace) with Germany gaining nothing after "nearly" defeating the Soviets isn't exactly encouraging.
Finland got their cores boys, the war is won! Let's go! Die Fahnen hoch! Die Reihen fest geschlossen! S.A. marchiert. Mit ruhig festem Schritt. They slowly march away into the distance, beyond the horizon. Back to their mighty fatherland they march, for the victory is their's.Reading that someone just had Finland end their Germany game (by Peace) with Germany gaining nothing after "nearly" defeating the Soviets isn't exactly encouraging.
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If things go right. Finland will get their Cores back, I'll get the Caucasus and Germany the rest. Not holding my breath though...just hoping.
A nightmare in the making?
16 Feb. - Won the battle of Akhaltsikhe we had 445 killed to Soviet dead of 356
- General Eldelhun attacked from Agri into Akhta for the second time. His forces against Soviet General Korshilov are supported by 5th Mtn. by a flanking attack from Artik.
17 Feb. - The next day after the victory in Akhaltsikhe Russian General Bonderev is leading a fresh division of Mtn. troops in a counter attack against our tired Turks of 6th Mtn. This fighting in the mountains is a fierce struggle between like troops.
- Turkish General Karabekir began his attack on Akhalkalaki sending a tired corps with a fresh 1st Cav. coming in as reserve against a single Soviet Mtn. division led by General Odintsov.
18 Feb. - We received news that Akhta is close to falling into our hands. This is a welcome news, for this previous battle was lost at the start of the war.
- Now that we have the airfield in Kobuleti, General Hitay brought his Tacs forward and began bombing Russian units behind the front, in hope of weakening those fresh units.
19 Feb. Today the good news came that Akhta is in Turkish hands. Losses were heavy on both sides. Ours 626 killed, their dead 720.
- More good news came over the wire; Romania joined the Axis. Now if we can only get Yugoslavia on board, all the Balkans will be in the Axis.
20 Feb. - General Karabekir won the battle for Akhalkalaki with 464 dead versus 660 Russians killed in the action.
- Unwelcome news today. A well-equipped Soviet Arm. division led by General Afanasiev was seen advancing behind the western front. Hatay and his Tacs caught up with the Russian mobile division at Zetaponi. We hope he shreds those tanks but it looks like only minor damage is done. These units are priority, we have nothing to equal these enemy divisions.
23 Feb. - General Orbay took 3rd Mtn. and 5th Cav. and attacked The Soviet 37th Inf. Division in Ljevan. The defenders are led by Soviet General Pliev.
- Soviet forces are building in Gori, so Tac-wing commander Hitay made bombing runs over the province in an attempt to soften what appears to be a growing stronghold. Reports came in that three Mtn. divisions and two Cav. divisions all well-rested are camped there and preparing to counterattack our lines.
25 Feb. - We received bad news this morning from Ljevan. Orbay had to halt his attack because his forces ran out of supply. Even worse news followed; once again our losses were much more than what the Soviets are experiencing by their defensive postures across the front. In this battle we lost 471 men to their 211. Turkey cannot afford these losses while the Russian forces receive a steady supply of units moving into the area. Two days later Orbay’s worn-out soldiers holding Kirovakan come under counterattack.
02 March - General Orbay loses Kirovakan and another 258 men while Russian dead is 306. Orbay’s retreat is a rout and instead of pulling back into Artik they foolishly move into Bogdanovka, instead of joining the Turk Mtn. division holding the line at Artik.
-General Hitay is ordered to have his Tacs strike the soviet division in Ljevan in an effort to prevent their advance into Kirovakan.
Very Bad News
Reports come in from several provinces along the border that Soviet Armor and motorized infantry units are arriving in greater numbers. Our intelligence is that we now face at least 5 armored divisions and 4 motor-units. This is very grave news. We only have one light-armor and motorized division with no prospect for building more any time soon. Even if we buy more production-licenses, our practical’s are so terrible that we would not have one new brigade for many months.
The situation is made even worse because our Cavalry units have became almost worthless, Their attack has been all that we could improve and yet it is “now” proving insufficient in gaining ground in the mountains. The Cav units are terrible at defending ground and anytime we've asked them to hold, they are easily driven out.
A Dangerous Time
Field Marshall Calistar is desperately working at finding a way to halt the reversal that has developed. However, what can he do when Russia can easily move many divisions of armor into the war-zone while we sustain heavy losses as we try to advance across rivers? i.e. We want to take Tbilisi but the mountainous push into the city is made worse by the river. Once again, we can expect horrible Turkish losses "when and if" we can take the important city and its airbase. Thankfully we’ve seen no Russian planes there yet. If that happens we will be forced to use the small Kobuleti air-strip for basing both our Tacs and Ints; ftr, Turkey has not a single air-base of its own in the east of the country.
- We completed Militia Support Weapons and started Elastic Defense, which is long overdue. All research thus far has been trying to improve our offense, now we must focus on defending ground better.
06 Mar. - Hitay’s Tacs keep hitting the Armor division heading for Luxemburg. It looks like the Russian tanks will make it there with minimal damage, which is very frustrating because we’ve been pounding this unit as it has moved through four provinces on its way to oppose our now very weak Turk Cavalry.
- A note about the difficulty of the terrain; we took the province of Akhta on 19 Feb. and it took till today for our Larm division to arrive and occupy the city. Movement on our front is atrocious. That’s two weeks to cross the border.
12 Mar. - Hitay continues to try and damage the Russian armor (with armored cars) but it appears our Tacs can do little. But we've kept him assaulting the units and I sent General Muzir and three Cav brigades and 2 Mil in support against the newly arrived 12 Tankovaya Armor division commanded by General Kotlyarov. Russian General Krasnopevtsev is supporting the Arm-division that we are attacking with a single Soviet Mtn. division from Gori.
13 Mar. Hitay continued his strikes against Luxemburg.
14 Mar. Reports came in that Muzir’s 1st Cav. is in retreat. Two days later, on the 16th the 2 Mil brigades supporting the attack, retreated.
17 Mar. - Fighting is raging all along the front. We win the bloody battle of Bogdanovka losing 839 men while the soviets lost 780.
- 2nd Mtn. attacks into Bakuriani.
- 3 Soviet divisions, one Arm, 1 Mot and a Inf. division attacked General Artunkal’s lone Inf. in Macharadse.
- General Ozalp led his 3 Mtn. divisions against an Arm. division in Zestaponi. They’ve just arrived, he hopes to drive them off before they can dig-in behind the river.
- General Gurler’s Mtn. division crosses the river against Ryzhow’s Mtn. division in Khashuri
-Turk 2nd Mtn. attacked Russia's 138 Mtn. in Bakuriani
- We win the short battle of Zestaponi losing 87 to 96.
17 Mar, Hitay continues his strikes against Armored targets.
18 Mar. - We lose the Battle of Macharadse with heavy losses, the Soviet tanks are rolling over my men. 814 dead compared to 285.
19 Mar. - We finish Light Artillery and go to Infantry warfare.
- Right after the Soviets enter Macharadse, we lost the fight for Bakuriani. With 471 dead while the enemy only lost 135. Damn rivers! Moments later; We get the news we failed to take Khashuri as well, 440 lost against 171.
-We began a counter attack in Macharadse, our captured soviet airbase is next door; we need to drive the enemy armor out but can we? The Soviets counter our move by attacking Kubuleti but they soon call it off; we lose 9 they 32.
- Russian General Baggramiar is commanding the tanks in Macharadse, he also has a Mot-brigade, engineers and an armored car unit as support brigades. We have no comparable units.
Here is a screen showing the unwelcome Soviet arrivals into the war-zone.
Here is General Hitay's "to-do-list"
Here are screens from all the fronts to give you the picture at the moment of how the Axis-minors are fairing against the S.U.
Unfortunately Finland is seeing lots of tanks too. Helsinki has already fallen.
Italy just cannot do anything right. All the ground they won is lost. That must be some super-unit the Brits have.
Romania and Hungary are doing something I guess. Not exactly inspirational though.
Japan is looking good. Things will change once the U.S. joins the fight. But we have some time yet, so this helps Germany to some degree. Too bad the rest of us are doing so poorly.
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Finland Falls while Italy stumbles
20 Mar. - Continuing the Second battle of Macharadse against the Russian armor.
21 Mar. - Our trade with Germany is being severely damaged by Soviet subs in the Baltic and the Germany navy and air-force are doing nothing about our losses. Within a week we’ve lost 7 convoys. We have more convoys in production but they will not be ready for a few months.
- General Atunkal and a Inf. division were driven out of Macharadse - the battle for the province continues. Our Tacs are pounding Soviet General Bagramian’s forces.
22 Mar. - Twice, Soviet HQs came inside Zestaponi but we drove them right back out.
- Turkish General Koldecan leading 6 and 7 Dag Kommando attacked General Bonderev and 138 Strelkovaya in Bakuriani.
24 Mar. - We won the Second Battle of Macharadse, losing nearly twice as many men. Turkish dead 720 and 368 Russians killed.
- France has no counter-espionage agents; we switched to theft-missions only for our spies.
- We won the Second Battle of Bakuriani; we lost 416 men, the soviets 592.
25 Mar. - Turk Tacs began bombing an arm-division now stationed in Luxemburg; General Kotlyarov is commanding the Russians.
26 Mar. - The Soviets began a counter-attack in Macharadse starting the third battle for the province. Three divisions, a Mot. Inf. and a Mtn. division make up the attacking force. From Kobuleti we staged a holding-attack and stopped General Ogurtsov’s supporting attack from Poti. Once his attack was halted we ended the battle of Poti, losing 67 troops to the Russians 52.
- The Second Battle of Luxemburg began with General Toudemur taking three Turk Inf. divisions against a strong soviet armored divison.
29 Mar. - General Hitay kept up his bombing of the Soviet offensive against our troops in Macharadse.
- We stooped a counter-attack in Kobuleti losing 49 to 72.
30 March - Our bombers began hitting the Mot & TD units in Ambrolauri.
- The Third Battle of Macharadse still rages.
01 Apr. - We won the Third Battle of Macharadse with very heavy losses. 1382 killed to 1061 Soviet dead.
- We also won another skirmish in Ambrolauri. 32 and 17.
- Started attacks in Khashuri and Ljevan.
02 Apr. - We won the Second Battle of Luxemburg. 865 vs. 529
- ABSOLUTE DISASTER IN AFRICA! Tobruch has fell and the entire Second army of Italy fleeing before a small British force? All Italian units in Africa are out of supply…All men, ships and planes. Italy has no more convoys.
03 Apr. - More terrible news. Finland was conquered by the Soviet-Union today.
- Turkish forces won the Second Battle of Khashuri; 332 dead vs. 659.
04 Apr. Germany wants to trade but like Italy, I too have had all my convoys sunk!
05 Apr. - After the victory in Khashuri, Hitay began bombing Inf. in Ljevan,
however, it came to late; we quickly lost the battle and with mismatched losses, of 593 to 181 dead.
06 Apr. - Today we began building an Inf-corps of InfX3/Art. We need more troops in the east, with our cavalry only able to support attacks and unable to defend ground against superior Russian units.
- Romania and Saudi-Arabia both wanted to sell us oil but Persia came in and gave us a better deal. More oil for the same money.
- Looking to the far-east Japan has nearly captured all of the Soviet region of Khabarovsk-Kray.
- The German-line now runs through the captured Soviet cities of Riga, Wilno, Stanislawow. And Nowogrodek.
- In Romania with German assistance the Romanians have taken back Bessarabia from the Soviets and now have troops defending their side of the Dniester river.
So far in 75 days of war, Turkey has lost a total of 15,323 men. The S.U. 13,108. That averages to us losing 204 soldiers each day and the Russians 174.
A picture of a serious problem for Italy...Africa will fall
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For anyone that's still with me and knows the snafu that happened around Greece here is another drag. I'm not at war yet with the Allies yet but when I do go to war I hope this will stop.
Grim Days
07 April 1941Except for Japan, Germany cannot be happy with it’s allies. Finland is out of the war. Italy will absolutely lose Africa and has already lost Ethiopia and Albania. Romania “with German assistance” has stalled on their side of the Dniester river. We Turks have not advanced very far and now appear stalled and unable to push further. We need more units to get to the oil-fields and many more units to break out over the Caucasus; at present we have not been able to reach Tblisi, let alone Baku and its refinery.
Another problem, because the UK controls the Baltic, Axis convoys have been nearly eliminated and will be. Turkey has lost dozens of convoys to the Soviet subs roaming at will.
Moving to the front.
10 Apr. - We won the Battle of Kirovaken, losing only 5 men while killing 292 of the defenders.
- General Yamut led his infantry forces into Ljevan and won the battle a day later. Turk dead 266 and Russian losses at 381.
Those two victories would now be followed by five consecutive defeats. We lost at Bogdanovka on the 13th with uneven losses; 215 versus 59. The next day, the 14th we lost the first battle for Gori, losing 492 against 238 for the Soviets. On the 15th in another battle for the important province of Macharadse, it borders our captured air-base, we suffered nearly three times the numbers of dead at 628 that the Soviets lost with 229 men killed in action. On this same day we lost a smaller fight in Zestaponi; with losses of 75 versus 55. On the 17th once again our troops tried to take Gori and were driven back a second time in four days with very uneven losses. To our 295 dead, the Russians lost 10 men!
The front is not moving now. Although we can push in a spot we cannot drive the front. Our intelligence reports that there are 51 Russian units along the front to our 52. The equal numbers does not reflect our unequal war with the Soviets. Currently they have several advantages over our forces.
* All Soviet units have a commander, about one third of Turkish troops on the front have a General.
* Medium Soviet armor is very difficult for us to defeat and they have 3 divisions well placed at intervals along the line.
* Of our 52 brigades, 12 are Cavalry that have proved outclassed and easily defeated, so we are NOT even in strength.
* In head to head battles of like troop-types, while some of our units suffer from not having a general, all of our forces are inferior to Soviet troops in equipment-upgrades and doctrines.
* The last advantage the Soviets have is that in several provinces they are dug in behind rivers, thus making it very difficult for us to gain a river-crossing anywhere.
Our only advantage over the Russians is that we have one TAC-wing and where it strikes, the planes provide strong support but the bombers can only be over one province at a time so, this advantage is minimal.
At this point in the war we are reassessing our war plans and what we can actually achieve. I’m considering declaring war on the UK, so their transport-planes are taken out of Greece. However, if I do this all of Turkey is only defended by Garrison troops since all regular forces are on the Russian front. However, I probably will not DOW because now there’s another dang problem that has surfaced, I noticed a strange “supplies-convoy” in my convoy-list going to a Russian port!?! Sure enough, Greece has landed 10 infantry brigades in Arkhangel!!!
I did not call Greece to arms, because I wanted them to protect Greek land and my western border only…should we be invaded. Even worse is the fact that the convoys for those Greek troops are almost all sunk and I have no more convoys left and cannot get more till late June, so those 30,000 troops will be lost...for nothing.
Yup, grim days indeed.
Here's some overview pics before I post the next...ahem...progress.
I wanted to see how my Infantry stacked compared to other nations.
Here's the current "bad" situation in the Med.
Then there's this fun
And where Germany and Japan are at the moment.
I wanted to see how my Infantry stacked compared to other nations.
Here's the current "bad" situation in the Med.
Then there's this fun
And where Germany and Japan are at the moment.
Ouch, this is not looking good for the Axis. How are your troops faring fighting the dastardly Soviets?
At the start of the war, we were "generally" suffering equal losses, a slight advantage to the Soviets but now? my losses are often twice those of the SU and sometimes even worse...much worse. I guess my situation would be a somewhat accurate RL reality for my weak nation, due to as the months pass, we fall further behind in many areas and especially in the needed combinations of Techs & Doctrines for our troops.
We are still advancing, the capture of Tbilisi was a important gain for getting the second of only two airfields in the Caucasus but each step is bloody as hell and we are not getting much above a see-saw tale. My left front is pushing fairly well with huge losses but my right front is really weakened by my CAV...they cannot do a damn thing now it seems. Update to come.
PS tried to post a pic to show you something but the upload has changed and not for the best
Looks like I've hit the pic-limit and atm, even deleting some screens... it unfortunately does not "reset"
I could just do text from now on but since it is Turkey and this AAR has seemed cursed from the start, maybe I'll just call it quits, not sure yet. Not that I have a huge following.
I could just do text from now on but since it is Turkey and this AAR has seemed cursed from the start, maybe I'll just call it quits, not sure yet. Not that I have a huge following.
Ah shucks, you are just being a nice guy...keep it up
I have to continue this anyway. Everything is truly like pulling teeth. Fronts are very iffy and mighty Turkey is slugging it out with the SU...how good can it get? Update on the way.
I have to continue this anyway. Everything is truly like pulling teeth. Fronts are very iffy and mighty Turkey is slugging it out with the SU...how good can it get?
Update on the way.