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Avatar is new at this game, so perhaps this was just the clumsy wording of a rookie. But the way this is phrased ("how" honest versus "if" we were honest), and the automatic assumption that the information would reflect back on Jacksonian & Audren instead of on me and Falc (which is where the information would lie, since we were the ones who pronounced Jacksonian & Audren as Resistance), is odd.

As I went on to say in the rest of that post, the information reflects on both the scanned duo and the scanee duo because either of the scanner's could be infiltrators and as such could be declaring your hypothetical co-workers to be clean to imply to most people reading that both of you are clean.

Also, my approval of the team stands as I do not wish to appear to quick to leap onto a bandwagon, and the fact that the change in who is voting for what is only being said in public. For all anyone knows, both IH and PC could still be agreeing and using this as a way to try to weed out those who too readily jump on a Reject bandwagon.

So I stand by my previous vote due to not wanting to jump on a bandwagon too readily and also because I do not believe enough information has presented itself and the fact that this means I do not see why we shouldn't gather more information from a potential failure or get another easy mission pass if we can.

(As an aside, I used "how" rather than "if" to try to say that only one of the scanners might be being honest as to me using "if" would have implied both were dishonest, when I only meant to look at if one and not both of the scanners was in fact lying.)
 
Also, my approval of the team stands as I do not wish to appear to quick to leap onto a bandwagon, and the fact that the change in who is voting for what is only being said in public.
Why are you concerned about how you appear to others? Resistance have nothing to hide; Resistance members can be themselves and trust that their forthright intentions are apparent to fellow Resistance members.

For all anyone knows, both IH and PC could still be agreeing and using this as a way to try to weed out those who too readily jump on a Reject bandwagon.
Yes, perhaps this is just a clever ploy to weed out those with ulterior intentions by too-eagerly switching their votes. You don't want to fall into that trap, right?

Thanks for letting us all know that the only reason you're not falling into that trap is so that others don't see you falling into that trap. Then they might know you have hidden motives.
 
Why in the world would we choose Daffius for this team? Why not, oh I don't know, Ironhead 5??? You know, that other fellow of whom we know some information?

I considered it, but it's easy for a spy to claim someone else is resistance.

Besides, picking you would, I feel, concentrate the info a bit too much. I would much rather use the proposal to getinfo on Daffius AND the fact you got a KACEOY to get info on both of you.
 
Iron's with Iron on this one.

REJECT
 
Why are you concerned about how you appear to others? Resistance have nothing to hide; Resistance members can be themselves and trust that their forthright intentions are apparent to fellow Resistance members.

Yes, perhaps this is just a clever ploy to weed out those with ulterior intentions by too-eagerly switching their votes. You don't want to fall into that trap, right?

Thanks for letting us all know that the only reason you're not falling into that trap is so that others don't see you falling into that trap. Then they might know you have hidden motives.

Why are you so quick to all but say that I am a Spy, you claim that Resistance members should trust their fellow resistance, but besides those that have scanned nobody knows the affiliation of anyone else and has no reason to trust anyone else.

Regardless, you appear to be hell set on thinking I am a Spy and I believe that the extent to which you are trying to vindicate this belief speaks more about you than me.
 
Reject

Just because a team was successful doesn't mean it's clear, and there's no reason to trust Daffius, while I know I'm a resistance member not on the proposed team. I'm not going to accept a team without me on it, because it would need to have nearly every other resistance member to succeed, and we don't have enough information to assure that.
 
Falc's mission of Falc, Audren, Jacksonian Missionary, and Daffius was REJECTED 5-5.

Approved: Falc, Daffius, AvatarOfKhaine, Audren, Jacksonian Missionary
Rejected: Panzer Commader, Ironhead 5, deathbywombat, Ironhide G1, aedan777

@Daffius, it is now your turn to propose a mission of four players. Your proposal will be the second of five allowed proposals for this round.
 
So here is the deal. I could repeat the same team, however it would be rejected and rightly so since you don't know my alignment. I do however and this makes me sceptical of the D1 approve team. 3 people voted reject and I was one of them, which means a minimum of 2 spies voted approve, meaning there likely was a spy on the mission for that to happen. Perhaps he didn't sabotage... let's find out.

Team:
Falc, Jackson, Audren, Ironhead

APPROVE
 
This team is even worse. For it to work, the entire resistance besides myself has to be either on the team or proposing it. The only alternative would be spy Daffius proposing a perfect team, but that makes little to no sense. Way too many assumptions are being made at this stage.

Reject
 
This team is even worse. For it to work, the entire resistance besides myself has to be either on the team or proposing it. The only alternative would be spy Daffius proposing a perfect team, but that makes little to no sense. Way too many assumptions are being made at this stage.

Reject

Seems to be sound logic.

Reject
 
Seems to be sound logic.

Reject

Kind of.

It's true that this team isn't all that likely to be 100% clean, but that's true of almost any team we could pass right now. We already got 1 successful mission so we're not really pressed for time, but we're pressed for info. What we need to do is propose the team that gets us the most info and this, having both the scanners and the scannees and the guy with the scanning card on it, is it.

Approve
 
APPROVE

The original successful team plus the other scanner? Seems alright with me.
 
Approve,

We need more info
 
APPROVE

And goodie credibility to Daffius for a selfless, information-oriented proposal.

Why are you so quick to all but say that I am a Spy, you claim that Resistance members should trust their fellow resistance, but besides those that have scanned nobody knows the affiliation of anyone else and has no reason to trust anyone else.

Regardless, you appear to be hell set on thinking I am a Spy and I believe that the extent to which you are trying to vindicate this belief speaks more about you than me.
A bit touchy, are we?

The fact that you approved this team suggests that you have a Spymate on this team. Because I know that both Jacksonian Missionary and I are Resistance, that means that if any Spies are on this team it is either Falc, or it is Falc plus Audren.
 
Approve for the above reasons
 
Barebones update; sorry, no time still. Will try to edit later.


Mission 2

Mission of Falc, Jacksonian, Audren, and Ironhead was approved 8-2.

Approve: Daffius, Panzer, Avatar of Khaine, Audren, Jacksonian, Ironhead, Ironhide, Falc
Reject: aedan777, deathbywombat

The mission was
SABOTAGED ONCE.

Next leader is @Ironhide G1 , who has the following cards to hand out:

No Confidence – One time use - The player to whom the Leader passes this card may use this card to reject an approved Mission team (successful Vote). Using this card counts as a failed Vote.
Opinion Maker - Use immediately - The player to whom the leader passes this card must vote publicly for the remainder of the game, and may not change their vote once their decision is made.
Opinion Maker - Use immediately - The player to whom the leader passes this card must vote publicly for the remainder of the game, and may not change their vote once their decision is made.

After handing out cards, he may propose a mission of 4.