Oh come on, we all know that deep down you've always wanted to RP as Martin Luther or John Calvin.
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Would John Calvin believe that no matter what you do one is predestined to be a wolf?
Nah, he'd say that you can't find out what your role is except through votes. If you vote for villagers, you are probably a wolf. If you vote for wolves, you are probably a villager.
Just because it is old needn't mean it needs to be retired. The 2nd generation S trains which ran on the Copenhagen S net from 1967 to 2007 weren't particularly horrible and didn't really need to be retired. The reason it happened then was that it was discovered that some good for nothing boys thought it funny to poke holes in the ceiling sealing; being from the 60s the roofs of course contained asbestos and in the 80s it had been sealed off meaning that it was no problem. Making those holes made the asbestos show into the car and the media made a big fuss and all, but 2 of them were immediately scrapped. Those two are now at a museum; though it is a shame that happened, since they also scrapped the saved 1st class versions. Initially they had first class compartments and when 1st class was scrapped one of the first class trains was saved.
On the other hand the 3rd generation S trains were just shit.
For passenger transport the ME is still going strong despite being 35 years old.
And you can still from time to time see MY tow freight trains despite those being 60 years old.
And the MX is still used for all snow clearing; and for freight trains. And those are 55 years old.
But the real example that age isn't a problem is the MZ. When delivered in 1967 they were the most powerful engines in Europe and they still pull loads of freight trains; and several of them were sold to Australia a few years back where they are pulling freight trains now.
MY, MX, MZ, and ME are all American---or rather the engines are GM motors. Powerful and they just work.
On the other hand newer trains can be pure crap; like the IC4 trains. As a piece of advice: Never buy trains from the Italians; they don't know how to build working trains.
I have often seen MZ and ME locomotives towing IC4s which had broken down; a sad, but also hilarious sign. And shows how new trains aren't always better; those American beasts are still going strong, whereas that Italian crap didn't even work the day they were delivered.
ME and MZ pulling IC4s.
ME pulling IC4 and then two MZ pulling a German electric loco and a beer train.
And two MZ passenger trains and an MZ freight train so that you can hear the engines.
DR (Danish equivalent of BBC) did a series of programmes where several Danish rail lines were filmed from the cabin. The below video is an ME pulling a passenger train to Copenhagen and is supposed to start 36 minutes in; for the next minute you can really hear the turbo reving up.
https://www.dr.dk/tv/se/pa-skinner/pa-skinner-koebenhavn-kalundborg#!/36:00
I have often seen MZ and ME locomotives towing IC4s which had broken down; a sad, but also hilarious sign. And shows how new trains aren't always better; those American beasts are still going strong, whereas that Italian crap didn't even work the day they were delivered.
ME and MZ pulling IC4s.
ME pulling IC4 and then two MZ pulling a German electric loco and a beer train.
And two MZ passenger trains and an MZ freight train so that you can hear the engines.
DR (Danish equivalent of BBC) did a series of programmes where several Danish rail lines were filmed from the cabin. The below video is an ME pulling a passenger train to Copenhagen and is supposed to start 36 minutes in; for the next minute you can really hear the turbo reving up.
https://www.dr.dk/tv/se/pa-skinner/pa-skinner-koebenhavn-kalundborg#!/36:00
Might well be true. It has to be said though that day 1 started after ~1500 posts---i.e. on something like page 75...
Just because it is old needn't mean it needs to be retired. The 2nd generation S trains which ran on the Copenhagen S net from 1967 to 2007 weren't particularly horrible and didn't really need to be retired. The reason it happened then was that it was discovered that some good for nothing boys thought it funny to poke holes in the ceiling sealing; being from the 60s the roofs of course contained asbestos and in the 80s it had been sealed off meaning that it was no problem. Making those holes made the asbestos show into the car and the media made a big fuss and all, but 2 of them were immediately scrapped. Those two are now at a museum; though it is a shame that happened, since they also scrapped the saved 1st class versions. Initially they had first class compartments and when 1st class was scrapped one of the first class trains was saved.
On the other hand the 3rd generation S trains were just shit.
True that old stuff isn't necessarily due for recycling straight away. I think I told a lie when I said that the 313s were the oldest mainline stock because the earliest-built class 43 dates from '75, and those sound great (or at least they did until they were re-engined). Here's one with a bonus of it being from the eighties so it's in the excellent InterCity livery rather than something hideous and pink:
and they should comfortably make it past fifty years old.
LIkewise the 1972 underground stock is still going strong and isn't going to be replaced until the early 2030s when the Bakerloo line gets extended. Although those have the disadvantage of not sounding like a spaceship like the 1996 stock.
And when tube trains get old they get sent off to the Isle of Wight where they're running 1938 stock, which, as you can guess, is getting on for eighty. Though the 1972 might replace them soon, assuming they decide to keep the Island Line open.
And you can still from time to time see MY tow freight trains despite those being 60 years old.
And the MX is still used for all snow clearing; and for freight trains. And those are 55 years old.
Those are pretty impressively old. The oldest British locomotives that aren't in museums I think are the class 20s from the early sixties, but you don't see them around that much.
But the real example that age isn't a problem is the MZ. When delivered in 1967 they were the most powerful engines in Europe and they still pull loads of freight trains; and several of them were sold to Australia a few years back where they are pulling freight trains now.
MY, MX, MZ, and ME are all American---or rather the engines are GM motors. Powerful and they just work.
I hadn't realised that American companies had made inroads into European railways quite so long ago.
Nope. It was the same company who built the rubbish Fyra trains for the Belgian and Dutch railways, and they got declared unsafe for service after a few weeks. Also, I'd heard that one (can't remember whether it was an IC4 or a Fyra - think it was an IC4) was given by Berlusconi to Colonel Gaddafi as a present and turned up in a siding deep in Libya.
They were making noises about using the same factory in Italy to build some of the new Hitachi IEP ("Insanely Expensive Project") trains for the UK and the rail enthusiasts were having none of it!
I hardly expect it was DR (East German state railway)
BBC 4 does a lot of train-related stuff. As well as getting Michael Portillo to wear a silly jacket and ride about all over Europe, they also have a lot of historical documentaries about things like the Beeching cuts and the BR APT. Really interesting to someone like me. Hopefully it's not going to get chopped by the latest round of BBC funding cuts.
Shut up, these are the most interesting posts Wagon has made in months.
That's because British Diesel trend to suck. I blame your loading gauge making it impossible to squeeze everything in.
Yeah GM(EMD) started exporting/building under licence diesel pretty much right after WW2. I think Scandinavian and the Balkans were biggest markets.
And EMD diesels are solid. Americans railroads have tons of 38 and 40 series locomotives built in the 70s and late 60s even. There also a fair number of first gen classics like F7s, E8s, and SW series switchers. There would probably be more around if it weren't for cut backs in the rail network.
However I am awful glad the L (Chicago version of tube/subway) line I ride was upgraded from cars built in the 1970s to newly built cars in the last few years.
Every time I get blown away on how off topic we can get, Wagon always finds a way to make it even more bizarre. Never would I have imagine we would be discussing Danish trains in Werewolf.
Wagons entire purpose is to expand the scope of your imagination. Every "off topic" post of his is in-depth enough to invite you into an entire new region of life you've never thought that deeply about before. The fact that you haven't seen this until now is evidence only of your lack of clarity and focus. Now that you've recognized your faults, you can improve in the future.
And let's dispel once and for all with this fiction that Wagonlitz doesn't know what he's doing. Wagonlitz knows exactly what he's doing. Wagonlitz is undertaking a systematic effort to change this forum, to make Paradox more like the rest of the Denmark.
To quote Kurtz, either from Heart of Darkness or Apocalypse Now, "The horror, the horror."
Can't we make Paradox more like the Upper South?
Moderate/Conservative, and not racist. Also still believes in the glory of sweet tea and barbecue. Perfect mix of North and South, and even becoming more ethnically diverse. I mean, look at Tennessee, we have socialist community college now. Plus, gentlemanly conduct. What's not to love about the Upper South: most diverse part of America?
No, seriously, Upper South has all the benefits and none of the drawbacks of the rest of the South, except the weather. I swear, the weather is trying to kill us here.
The mountains are full of hicks? The water tastes like a mix of lead and coal dust? Your summers are unbearably hot and your oceans freezing?
First off, I clearly meant the areas in and immediately around the major cities. Further, the water's only like that in West Virginia, and lastly, the oceans aren't freezing, Gulf Stream helps with that, but yes, the summers are hot, but you get used to sitting inside with air conditioners.
I wholeheartedly agree with the above statements. The Upper South also enjoys all four of God's seasons, unlike more uncivilised regions where it's either sweltering hot and humid or mildly cold and rainy.
Major cities are fine, Richmond, DC, and Nashville all look half-way decent (at least if you overlook the poorer areas, but then again most cities have that).Still, hick culture is prevalent even in major cities. I mean, who else would listen to country? West Virginia has the worst case of coal water, but Virginia, Kentucky, and Tennessee all have their problems with it depending on where you go. And yes, your oceans are freezing. Not New Jersey or New York freezing, but really, really cold.