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Российский императорский флот
The Imperial Russian Navy
The Imperial Russian Navy
History
Under Tsar Mikhail Feodorovich, construction of the first three-masted ship actually built within Russia was completed in 1636. It was built in Balakhna by Danish shipbuilders from Holstein according to European design and was christened Frederick. During its maiden voyage on the Caspian Sea, Frederick sailed into a heavy storm and was lost at sea.
During the Russo-Swedish War, 1656-1658, Russian forces seized the Swedish fortresses of Dünaburg and Kokenhusen on the Western Dvina, the former being renamed to Borisoglebsk and the latter, Tsarevich-Dmitriyev. A boyar named Afanasy Ordin-Nashchokin founded a shipyard at Tsarevich-Dmitriev fortress and began constructing vessels to sail in the Baltic Sea. In 1661, however, Russia was once again forced to abide by the harsh terms of a treaty, this time the Peace of Cardis. Russia agreed to surrender to Sweden all captured territories, and all vessels constructed at Tsarevich-Dmitriev were ordered destroyed.
Boyar Ordin-Nashchyokin, not grieving long over defeat, turned his attention to the Volga River and Caspian Sea. With the Tsar's approval, the boyar brought Dutch shipbuilding experts to the town of Dedinovo near the confluence of the Oka and Volga Rivers. Shipbuilding commenced in the winter of 1667. Within two years, four vessels had been completed: one 22-gun galley, christened Орёл ("Oryol" = "Eagle"), and three smaller ships. The ill-fated Frederick had been a Holstein vessel; Орёл became Russia's first own three-masted, European-designed sailing ship but met with a similarly unfortunate end. The ship was captured in Astrakhan by rebellious Cossacks led by Stepan Razin. The Cossacks ransacked Орёл and abandoned it, half-submerged, in an estuary of the Volga.
During much of the 17th century, Russian merchants and Cossacks, using koch boats, sailed across the White Sea, exploring the Rivers Lena, Kolyma and Indigirka, and founding settlements in the region of the upper Amur. Unquestionably, the most celebrated Russian explorer was Semyon Dezhnev, who, in 1648, sailed the entire length of present-day Russia by way of the Arctic Ocean. Rounding the Chukotsk Peninsula, Dezhnev passed through the Bering Sea and sailed into the Pacific Ocean.
Reign of Peter the Great
Goto Predestinatsia, flagship of Azov flotilla until 1711
The creation of the regular Russian Navy took place during the reign of Peter the Great. During the Second Azov campaign of 1696 against Turkey, the Russians employed for the first time 2 warships, 4 fireships, 23 galleys and 1300 strugs, built on the Voronezh River. After the occupation of the Azov fortress, the Boyar Duma looked into Peter's report of this military campaign and passed a decree on commencing the construction of the navy on October 20, 1696. This date is considered the official birthday of the regular Russian Navy.
During the Great Northern War of 1700-1721, the Russians built the Baltic Fleet. The construction of the oared fleet (galley fleet) took place in 1702-1704 at several shipyards (estuaries of the rivers Syas, Luga and Olonka). In order to be able to defend the conquered coastline and attack enemy's maritime communications in the Baltic Sea, the Russians created a sailing fleet from the ships built in Russia and imported from abroad. From 1703-1723, the main base of the Baltic Fleet was located in Saint Petersburg and then in Kronstadt. The bases were also created in Reval (Tallinn) and in Vyborg after it was ceded from Sweden after the war of 1741-43. At first, Vladimirsky Prikaz was in charge of shipbuilding. Later on, these functions were transferred to the Admiralteyskiy Prikaz.
In 1745 the Russian Navy had 130 sailing vessels, including 36 ships of the line, 9 frigates, 3 shnyavas (шнява — a light two-mast ship used for reconnaissance and messenger services), 5 bombardier ships and 77 auxiliary vessels. The oared fleet consisted of 396 vessels, including 253 galleys and semi-galleys (called скампавеи, or scampavei; a light high-speed galley) and 143 brigantines. The ships were being constructed at 24 shipyards, including the ones in Voronezh, Kazan, Pereyaslavl, Arkhangelsk, Olonets, Petersburg and Astrakhan.
The naval officers for the fleet were supplied from among the dvoryane (noblemen) and regular sailors — from conscripts. The service in the navy was lifelong. Children of noblemen were educated for naval service at the School for Mathematical and Navigational Sciences, which had been founded in 1701 in Moscow's Sukharev Tower. Students were often sent abroad for training in foreign fleets. It was also customary to hire foreign nationals, who had significant naval experience, to serve in the Russian Navy, such as the Norwegian-Dutch Cornelius Cruys, the Greek Ivan Botsis or the Scotsman Thomas Gordon. In 1718, the Admiralty Board (Адмиралтейств-коллегия) was established as the highest naval authority in Russia.
The naval cathedral in Kronstadt was one of several cathedrals of the Imperial Russian Navy.
The organizational principles of the Russian Navy, educational and training methods for preparing future staff, and methods for conducting military action were all summarized in the Naval Charter (1720) penned by Peter I himself.[1] Peter the Great, Feodor Apraksin, Alexey Senyavin, Naum Senyavin, Mikhail Golitsyn and others are generally credited for the development of the Russian art of naval warfare. The main principles of naval warfare were further developed by Grigory Spiridov, Feodor Ushakov, and Dmitry Senyavin.
18th century
In the second half of the 18th century, the Russian Navy grew stronger due to activization of Russia's foreign policy and Russo-Turkish wars for supremacy in the Black Sea. For the first time, Russia sent its squadrons from the Baltic Sea to distant theaters of operations (see Archipelago expeditions of the Russian Navy). Admiral Spiridov's squadron gained supremacy in the Aegean Sea by destroying the Turkish fleet in the Battle of Chesma in 1770. In 1771, the Russian army conquered the coasts of the Kerch Strait and fortresses of Kerch and Yenikale.
After having advanced to the Danube, the Russians formed the Danube Military Flotilla for the purpose of guarding the Danube estuary and they came in 1771 as guests to the Republic of Ragusa.[2] The Beluga caviar from the Danube was famous and the merchants from the Republic of Ragusa dominated the import-export business in Serbia with the Habsburg Monarchy.[3] In 1773 the vessels of the Azov Flotilla (created anew in 1771) sailed out into the Black Sea. The Russo-Turkish War of 1768-1774 ended victoriously for Russia, which gained the coasts of the Sea of Azov and a part of the Black Sea coastline between the rivers Bug and Dniester. The Crimea was pronounced independent under Russia's protectorate and would become a part of Russia in 1783. In 1778, the Russians founded the port of Kherson. It is in this city that the first battleship of the Black Sea Fleet was commissioned in 1783. A year later, it was already a squadron.
19th century
Headquarters of the Admiralty Board, 1810s.
In the second half of the 18th century and early 19th century, the Russian Navy had the third largest fleet in the world after Great Britain and France. The Black Sea Fleet possessed five line-of-battle ships and 19 frigates (1787), the Baltic Fleet had 23 ships of the line and 130 frigates (1788). In the early 19th century, the Russian Navy consisted of the Baltic and Black Sea Fleets, Caspian Flotilla, White Sea Flotilla and Okhotsk Flotilla. In 1802, the Ministry of Naval Military Forces was established (renamed to Naval Ministry in 1815).
In 1826 the Russians built their first armed steamboat Izhora (73.6 kW (98.7 hp)), equipped with eight cannons. In 1836, they constructed the first paddle steam frigate of the Russian Navy called Bogatyr (displacement — 1,340 t (1,320 long tons), power — 177 kW (237 hp), armament — 28 cannons). Between 1803 and 1855, Russian sailors undertook over 40 circumnavigations and long-distant voyages, most of which were in support of their Pacific colonies in Alaska, California, and the ports on the eastern seaboard of Siberia. These voyages played an important role in the exploration of the Far East, different oceans and contributed important scientific research materials and discoveries in Pacific, Antarctic and Arctic theatres of operations.
Battle of Navarino, by Ivan Aivazovsky, showing the Russian squadron, in line ahead (left-centre, white flags with blue transversal crosses) bombarding the Ottoman fleet (right, with red flags)
In 1863, during the American Civil War, the Russian Navy's Atlantic and Pacific Fleets wintered in the American ports of New York and San Francisco respectively. Some historians credit this visit as a major factor in deterring France and England from entering the war on the Confederate side.[4] Delahaye states that besides supporting the Union, Russia was also preparing for a war with France and England should they intervene in the Polish insurrection of 1863. The Russian Navy was weak and could easily be blockaded in its home ports, but if it was in the US when the war started it could more easily attack British and French commerce.[5][6]
The Imperial Russian Navy continued to expand in the later part of the century becoming the third largest fleet in the world after Britain and France. The expansion accelerated under Tsar Nicholas II who had been influenced by the American naval theoretician Alfred Thayer Mahan. Russian industry, although growing in capacity, was not able to meet the demands and some ships were ordered from Britain, France, Germany, USA, and Denmark. French naval architects in particular had a considerable influence on Russian designs.
Crimean War and aftermath
Action between Russian steam frigate 'Vladimir (ship, 1848) (ru) and Turkish steam frigate Pervaz-ı Bahrî on 5 November 1853 — first action between steam ships in history.
Russia's slow technical and economic development in the first half of the 19th century caused her to fall behind other European countries in the field of steamboat construction. By the outbreak of the Crimean War in 1853, Russia had the Baltic and Black Sea Fleets, Arkhangelsk Flotilla, Caspian Flotilla and Okhotsk Flotilla (altogether, 40 battleships, 15 frigates, 24 corvettes and brigs, 16 steam frigates etc.).
The combined number of staff of all the fleets equaled 91,000 people. Despite all this, the reactionary serfdom system had an adverse effect on the development of the Russian Navy. It was especially typical of the Baltic Fleet, which was known for its harsh military drill.
Thanks to admirals Mikhail Lazarev, Pavel Nakhimov, Vladimir Kornilov, and Vladimir Istomin, the sailors of the Black Sea Fleet were taught the art of warfare and upholding of military traditions of the Russian Navy, formed in the times of Admiral Ushakov.
The Battle of Sinop in 1853 the Black Sea Fleet under Nakhimov made a number of tactical innovations. During the Siege of Sevastopol in 1854-1855, the Russian sailors used all means possible to defend their base from land and sea. In accordance with the Treaty of Paris, Russia lost the right to have a military fleet in the Black Sea. In the 1860s, the Russian fleet which had relied upon sails lost its significance and was gradually replaced by steam.
After the Crimean War, Russia commenced construction of steam-powered ironclads, monitors, and floating batteries. These vessels had strong artillery and thick armor, but lacked seaworthiness, speed and long-distance abilities. In 1861, they built the first steel-armored gunship Opyt (Опыт). In 1869, the Russians began the construction of one of the first seafaring ironclads, Petr Veliky (Пётр Великий).
The creation of the regular Russian Navy took place during the reign of Peter the Great. During the Second Azov campaign of 1696 against Turkey, the Russians employed for the first time 2 warships, 4 fireships, 23 galleys and 1300 strugs, built on the Voronezh River. After the occupation of the Azov fortress, the Boyar Duma looked into Peter's report of this military campaign and passed a decree on commencing the construction of the navy on October 20, 1696. This date is considered the official birthday of the regular Russian Navy.
During the Great Northern War of 1700-1721, the Russians built the Baltic Fleet. The construction of the oared fleet (galley fleet) took place in 1702-1704 at several shipyards (estuaries of the rivers Syas, Luga and Olonka). In order to be able to defend the conquered coastline and attack enemy's maritime communications in the Baltic Sea, the Russians created a sailing fleet from the ships built in Russia and imported from abroad. From 1703-1723, the main base of the Baltic Fleet was located in Saint Petersburg and then in Kronstadt. The bases were also created in Reval (Tallinn) and in Vyborg after it was ceded from Sweden after the war of 1741-43. At first, Vladimirsky Prikaz was in charge of shipbuilding. Later on, these functions were transferred to the Admiralteyskiy Prikaz.
In 1745 the Russian Navy had 130 sailing vessels, including 36 ships of the line, 9 frigates, 3 shnyavas (шнява — a light two-mast ship used for reconnaissance and messenger services), 5 bombardier ships and 77 auxiliary vessels. The oared fleet consisted of 396 vessels, including 253 galleys and semi-galleys (called скампавеи, or scampavei; a light high-speed galley) and 143 brigantines. The ships were being constructed at 24 shipyards, including the ones in Voronezh, Kazan, Pereyaslavl, Arkhangelsk, Olonets, Petersburg and Astrakhan.
The naval officers for the fleet were supplied from among the dvoryane (noblemen) and regular sailors — from conscripts. The service in the navy was lifelong. Children of noblemen were educated for naval service at the School for Mathematical and Navigational Sciences, which had been founded in 1701 in Moscow's Sukharev Tower. Students were often sent abroad for training in foreign fleets. It was also customary to hire foreign nationals, who had significant naval experience, to serve in the Russian Navy, such as the Norwegian-Dutch Cornelius Cruys, the Greek Ivan Botsis or the Scotsman Thomas Gordon. In 1718, the Admiralty Board (Адмиралтейств-коллегия) was established as the highest naval authority in Russia.
The naval cathedral in Kronstadt was one of several cathedrals of the Imperial Russian Navy.
The organizational principles of the Russian Navy, educational and training methods for preparing future staff, and methods for conducting military action were all summarized in the Naval Charter (1720) penned by Peter I himself.[1] Peter the Great, Feodor Apraksin, Alexey Senyavin, Naum Senyavin, Mikhail Golitsyn and others are generally credited for the development of the Russian art of naval warfare. The main principles of naval warfare were further developed by Grigory Spiridov, Feodor Ushakov, and Dmitry Senyavin.
18th century
In the second half of the 18th century, the Russian Navy grew stronger due to activization of Russia's foreign policy and Russo-Turkish wars for supremacy in the Black Sea. For the first time, Russia sent its squadrons from the Baltic Sea to distant theaters of operations (see Archipelago expeditions of the Russian Navy). Admiral Spiridov's squadron gained supremacy in the Aegean Sea by destroying the Turkish fleet in the Battle of Chesma in 1770. In 1771, the Russian army conquered the coasts of the Kerch Strait and fortresses of Kerch and Yenikale.
After having advanced to the Danube, the Russians formed the Danube Military Flotilla for the purpose of guarding the Danube estuary and they came in 1771 as guests to the Republic of Ragusa.[2] The Beluga caviar from the Danube was famous and the merchants from the Republic of Ragusa dominated the import-export business in Serbia with the Habsburg Monarchy.[3] In 1773 the vessels of the Azov Flotilla (created anew in 1771) sailed out into the Black Sea. The Russo-Turkish War of 1768-1774 ended victoriously for Russia, which gained the coasts of the Sea of Azov and a part of the Black Sea coastline between the rivers Bug and Dniester. The Crimea was pronounced independent under Russia's protectorate and would become a part of Russia in 1783. In 1778, the Russians founded the port of Kherson. It is in this city that the first battleship of the Black Sea Fleet was commissioned in 1783. A year later, it was already a squadron.
19th century
Headquarters of the Admiralty Board, 1810s.
In the second half of the 18th century and early 19th century, the Russian Navy had the third largest fleet in the world after Great Britain and France. The Black Sea Fleet possessed five line-of-battle ships and 19 frigates (1787), the Baltic Fleet had 23 ships of the line and 130 frigates (1788). In the early 19th century, the Russian Navy consisted of the Baltic and Black Sea Fleets, Caspian Flotilla, White Sea Flotilla and Okhotsk Flotilla. In 1802, the Ministry of Naval Military Forces was established (renamed to Naval Ministry in 1815).
In 1826 the Russians built their first armed steamboat Izhora (73.6 kW (98.7 hp)), equipped with eight cannons. In 1836, they constructed the first paddle steam frigate of the Russian Navy called Bogatyr (displacement — 1,340 t (1,320 long tons), power — 177 kW (237 hp), armament — 28 cannons). Between 1803 and 1855, Russian sailors undertook over 40 circumnavigations and long-distant voyages, most of which were in support of their Pacific colonies in Alaska, California, and the ports on the eastern seaboard of Siberia. These voyages played an important role in the exploration of the Far East, different oceans and contributed important scientific research materials and discoveries in Pacific, Antarctic and Arctic theatres of operations.
Battle of Navarino, by Ivan Aivazovsky, showing the Russian squadron, in line ahead (left-centre, white flags with blue transversal crosses) bombarding the Ottoman fleet (right, with red flags)
In 1863, during the American Civil War, the Russian Navy's Atlantic and Pacific Fleets wintered in the American ports of New York and San Francisco respectively. Some historians credit this visit as a major factor in deterring France and England from entering the war on the Confederate side.[4] Delahaye states that besides supporting the Union, Russia was also preparing for a war with France and England should they intervene in the Polish insurrection of 1863. The Russian Navy was weak and could easily be blockaded in its home ports, but if it was in the US when the war started it could more easily attack British and French commerce.[5][6]
The Imperial Russian Navy continued to expand in the later part of the century becoming the third largest fleet in the world after Britain and France. The expansion accelerated under Tsar Nicholas II who had been influenced by the American naval theoretician Alfred Thayer Mahan. Russian industry, although growing in capacity, was not able to meet the demands and some ships were ordered from Britain, France, Germany, USA, and Denmark. French naval architects in particular had a considerable influence on Russian designs.
Crimean War and aftermath
Action between Russian steam frigate 'Vladimir (ship, 1848) (ru) and Turkish steam frigate Pervaz-ı Bahrî on 5 November 1853 — first action between steam ships in history.
Russia's slow technical and economic development in the first half of the 19th century caused her to fall behind other European countries in the field of steamboat construction. By the outbreak of the Crimean War in 1853, Russia had the Baltic and Black Sea Fleets, Arkhangelsk Flotilla, Caspian Flotilla and Okhotsk Flotilla (altogether, 40 battleships, 15 frigates, 24 corvettes and brigs, 16 steam frigates etc.).
The combined number of staff of all the fleets equaled 91,000 people. Despite all this, the reactionary serfdom system had an adverse effect on the development of the Russian Navy. It was especially typical of the Baltic Fleet, which was known for its harsh military drill.
Thanks to admirals Mikhail Lazarev, Pavel Nakhimov, Vladimir Kornilov, and Vladimir Istomin, the sailors of the Black Sea Fleet were taught the art of warfare and upholding of military traditions of the Russian Navy, formed in the times of Admiral Ushakov.
The Battle of Sinop in 1853 the Black Sea Fleet under Nakhimov made a number of tactical innovations. During the Siege of Sevastopol in 1854-1855, the Russian sailors used all means possible to defend their base from land and sea. In accordance with the Treaty of Paris, Russia lost the right to have a military fleet in the Black Sea. In the 1860s, the Russian fleet which had relied upon sails lost its significance and was gradually replaced by steam.
After the Crimean War, Russia commenced construction of steam-powered ironclads, monitors, and floating batteries. These vessels had strong artillery and thick armor, but lacked seaworthiness, speed and long-distance abilities. In 1861, they built the first steel-armored gunship Opyt (Опыт). In 1869, the Russians began the construction of one of the first seafaring ironclads, Petr Veliky (Пётр Великий).
Ranks
Beginning in the second half of the 19th century, ranks of the IRN were divided according to speciality and branch.
Deck ranks and rates
Seamen and NCO's
Beginning in the second half of the 19th century, ranks of the IRN were divided according to speciality and branch.
Deck ranks and rates
Seamen and NCO's
- Seaman
- First Seaman
- Quartermaster Seaman
- Petty Officer 3rd Class (Boatswain's mate, Third mate, Skipper's mate, Stuurman's mate)
- Petty Officer 2nd Class (Boatswain, Second mate, Schooner skipper)
- Petty Officer 1st Class (Unteroffizier) (Constable)
- Chief Petty Officer (Skipper)
- Senior Chief Petty Officer (Senior Unteroffizier) (Chief mate, Conductor)
- Fleet Chief Petty Officer (Senior Boatswain)
Officers
- Brevet Midshipman/Garde-Marine (1827-1884)
- Midshipman
- Ship Secretary (until 1834), Sub-lieutenant (1834–84)
- Lieutenant (formerly Second Lieutenant 1724-1884)
- First Lieutenant (from 1907 onward)
- Captain Lieutenant (formerly Captain 3rd Rank until 1730, abolished 1909)
- Captain 2nd Rank
- Captain 1st Rank
- Captain-Commodore (until 1764 and 1798-1826, from 1764-98 Captain-Brigadier)
- Counter Admiral, Rear Admiral
- Vice Admiral
- Admiral
- General Admiral
Naval Infantry and ground service troops ranks
Ranks of these troops mirrored those of the Imperial Russian Army from Private to General, and were distinguished from those in the army.
Marine enlisted and NCOs
Ranks of these troops mirrored those of the Imperial Russian Army from Private to General, and were distinguished from those in the army.
Marine enlisted and NCOs
- Marine Private, Marine
- Marine Gefreiter
- Marine Junior Unteroffizier (Formerly Marine Corporal)
- Marine Senior Unteroffizier
- Marine Feldwebel (Formerly Marine Sergeant)
- Marine Junior Ensign
- Marine Acting Ensign (from 1884 onward)
Marine officers
- Admiralty Ensign
- Admiralty Sub-lieutenant
- Admiralty Lieutenant
- Admiralty Captain Lieutenant (1907–13)
- Admiralty Staff Captain
- Admiralty Captain
- Admiralty Second Major (1780-1829)
- Admiralty First Major (1780-1829)
- Admiralty Major (1830-1884)
- Admiralty Lieutenant Colonel
- Admiralty Colonel
- Admiralty Brigadier (until 1798)
- Fleet Major General
- Fleet Lieutenant General
- Fleet General
Leadership
The Minister of Navy is currently Nikolay Chikhachyov, a highly intellectual and energetic man. He is also famed as being an avid reader and patron to Dmitri Mendeleev. Due to the favour shown to him by Czar Alexander he has become the driving force behind the modernizing face of the Imperial Navy, and is taking unilateral actions to secure the Empire's maritime interests. Simplifying the archaic and feudal ranking system, he adopted a more streamlined and merit driven one which took cues from the United Kingdom.
In his continuing task of maintaining and expanding the Navy he was helped by:
The Minister of Navy is currently Nikolay Chikhachyov, a highly intellectual and energetic man. He is also famed as being an avid reader and patron to Dmitri Mendeleev. Due to the favour shown to him by Czar Alexander he has become the driving force behind the modernizing face of the Imperial Navy, and is taking unilateral actions to secure the Empire's maritime interests. Simplifying the archaic and feudal ranking system, he adopted a more streamlined and merit driven one which took cues from the United Kingdom.
In his continuing task of maintaining and expanding the Navy he was helped by:
Grand Duke Alexei Alexandrovich
The second son of Alexander II, Alexei was always destined for a naval career and after a brief goodwill tour around the world, he was assigned into the fleet. In 1883 he was appointed general-admiral. He had a significant contribution in the equipment of the Russian navy with new ships and in modernizing the naval ports
Zinovy Rozhestvensky
A Captain-Commodore and Naval Attache to London, Zinovy has been tasked with studying both British naval theory and shipbuilding to improve their Russian counter-parts. Before this assignment he has shown promise during his service aboard several ships and commands.
Stepan Makarov
A highly accomplished and decorated commander of the Imperial Russian Navy, an oceanographer, awarded by the Russian Academy of Sciences, and author of several books. Makarov also designed a small number of ships.
The Navy maintains relatively few dedicated bases, with the most notable commands being the Baltic Fleet, Black Sea Fleet and the Pacific Fleet. Other lesser commands include the Northern Fleet and the Caspian Flotilla.
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I didnt know russian Ideas of Quantity included text too
All texts will be One With Mother Russia.
Will try to get the spaces a bit lower... didn't look so... expansive when I previewed it.
Also @Ranger900, would you like us to post "politics" in this thread or in private chats? As in stuff like naval attaches' to other countries and possible cooperation in ship design and patrolling certain oceans? Asking for entirely selfish reasons as the Russian Navy of the period was studying the Royal Navy (With British Crowns consent) and I figure it warrants at least some interaction between us.
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You can post naval politics here if you wish (remember though, straight up country to country politics are not handled by the players, so while you can do things like have ship building agreements you can't form straight up alliances without going through your governments). Any and all info posted to the thread though is public knowledge, this includes any player posted stats about ships and the like. If you want to keep stuff secret keep it to PMs and orders, otherwise go right ahead. Also seeing as a number of people have already sent in orders for the naval side, I declare the game officially started. Army ledgers will be sent out tonight when I get home, Mikkel gets the Italian Army, Czech can pick any available army spot (CSA, USA, AH, Japan, any others I might have missed).
Orders due friday. PM or catch me on the IRC if you have questions
Orders due friday. PM or catch me on the IRC if you have questions
((I quit due to forgetting I have a test week next week. I need to learn and would not do my country right in that period.))
What a fantastic meme, sir.
Would note that only one or maybe two of those images has actually happened at this point in history. In 1890 the US navy is largely a coastal force with a proud legacy of getting whipped by the Royal Navy, save when the Brits have to also deal with France, Spain and the Dutch.
Okay okay... I mean defeats and hiding behind other Great Powers fleets counts as a history, amirite?
Would note that only one or maybe two of those images has actually happened at this point in history. In 1890 the US navy is largely a coastal force with a proud legacy of getting whipped by the Royal Navy, save when the Brits have to also deal with France, Spain and the Dutch.
Okay okay... I mean defeats and hiding behind other Great Powers fleets counts as a history, amirite?
Implying you specified a difference between OTL and TTL in your post, you damn America-hating plebosaur
also "hiding behind other Great Powers' fleets"
(inb4 Russo-American War)
Humour is lost on some people clearly.
And I'll have you know I take my Patrician roots very seriously, so at the very least you may address me as Olligarchy, Lord of the Manor of Patricosaurus.
And again:
Hasn't happened yet.
Enough you two,take it to IRC if you must or have your characters engaging in a argument by mail or something
Also Czech I'll get your stats to you as soon as I get home from work
Also Czech I'll get your stats to you as soon as I get home from work
Okay okay... I mean defeats and hiding behind other Great Powers fleets counts as a history, amirite?
((If it floats it counts, like Mongolia's Navy))
What Olligarchy said. Japanese Army, US Army, Russian army and CSA Army are all free.